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Brent Hutto

Re:Why do golfers not want their game "tested?"
« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2007, 09:51:52 AM »
A handicap and a USGA Handicap index are two different things.

Local clubs can establish handicaps and NOT be part of the USGA index system where golfers are assigned GHIN #'s.

Absolutely. But I was talking about golfers (not just one or two but many golfers who play regularly) unaffiliated with any club. Their unofficial handicap consists of typing some, most or all of their scores into a piece of software at home and using the number so computed as a handicap. That is the absolutely normative behavior at public courses in my area.

Even at semi-private courses where official USGA handicaps are offered, less than half the players choose to turn in their scores. But if you ask most of these guys what their handicap is most of the time they say something like "I'm a twelve but that's unofficial".

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re:Why do golfers not want their game "tested?"
« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2007, 10:09:49 AM »
Why? Been there, done that. I entered every club event for 12 years when I was a member at a private club. Now I keep a handicap so I have one when I'm invited to a member guest at a private club or opt to play in the one day senior event at the local public course.

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Doug Siebert

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Re:Why do golfers not want their game "tested?"
« Reply #77 on: June 15, 2007, 01:39:23 AM »
I disgree with that.
Handicaps are determined by taking the ten lowest of the last twenty scores, thus, a handicap is skewed toward each golfers "better" game.  If you took the lowest 20 of the last 20 handicaps would jump.  A lower handicap has narrower margins, thus, he's at an advantage when competing against higher handicaps, especially if conditions are unusual.


That's true when you are playing match play, and only playing against a single opponent.  But if a low handicap player plays in a handicapped stroke play event statistics dictates he is very unlikely to win.  The USGA system was designed to equalize match play, not stroke play tournaments with large fields with players of different skills (which is why many such tournaments are flighted and played at scratch)  The problem is that the standard deviation of the many guys with the high handicaps will overcome the low handicap's lower standard deviation and totally swamp the "bonus for excellence" built into the USGA system.

The USGA publishes this neat little table with the odds for exceptional tournament scores for various handicaps, which is calculated based on the math Dean Knuth used to develop the USGA handicap system.  As anyone with a USGA handicap knows, it is tough to shoot better than your handicap -- its 5:1 against just to match it over the whole handicap range.  But it quickly diverges as look at beating your handicap.  Beating your handicap by 5 strokes is 379:1 against for a 0-5 handicap, but only 72:1 for a 22-30 handicap.  The odds are slightly better, at 359:1, for a 30+ handicapper to beat his handicap by NINE strokes!

Even if no one sandbags, the low handicappers really have the odds stacked against them in a handicapped stroke play event.  There will always be some 100 shooter who has one of those "euruka" moments on the first tee and figures out how to cure his slice for one golden day and shoots a 91, and there's no way a 5 handicap is going to shoot a 68 to match him.

http://www.usga.org/playing/handicaps/understanding_handicap/articles/deanstable.html
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Pete Lavallee

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Re:Why do golfers not want their game "tested?"
« Reply #78 on: June 15, 2007, 11:14:59 AM »
Well summarized Doug. It is quite obvious that our Pat doesn't mingle with the unwashed very often. ;D
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