News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Jonathan McCord

  • Karma: +0/-0
Harding Park - Pics
« on: March 07, 2007, 11:51:46 PM »
Out of the four big courses around Lake Merced, Harding Park occupies the least impressive land. However, it does afford some awesome views of Lake Merced and the surrounding Bay Area.  You can see Twin Peaks, Olympic Club, Mt. Tamalpais, and some great city scenes from around the course.  Now I realize that this is the cities course, and that it is spoken of with great reverance.  However, there are alot of mediocre golf holes on the course.  

It is, and will continue to be a great test for the pros because from the tips it plays as a par 70, and is plenty narrow.  Some of the fairways look extremely goofy because the hole corridor is 60 to 70 yds wide, yet the fairway is 15 to 20 yds. wide as cut down for the AMEX.  The greens are fairly typical, besides the uphill 3rd and finishing 18th.  The greens will also  test the pros in coming years because there are some very tight and tucked pin locations on the greens.  As far as architecture goes, their are some sound, thought provoking holes, but their are far to many holes where the player is simply trying to hit it long and straight, and where very little thought is given to the next shot.

Some of my favorite holes.  I liked the par 3 3rd.  It is a 180 yards, uphill to a green that has valley running through the middle of it.  This valley is not visible from the tee and surprised me when I got to the green.  Another good hole is the short par 4 7th, which Tiger, amazingly, CARRIED a drive onto this green. :o  I believe its about 330.  UNREAL  This is one of the better greens on the course, as the back left portion is tucked behind a rather deep bunker, which forces the player to think about where he is playing his shots to gain the best angle, or yardage, for the easiest approach.

As unoriginal as it is to simply loop the back nine around the perimeter of the course, IMHO it is the better nine.  Eight of the nine holes I enjoyed, I thought 14 was a bit odd.  Wide Corridor, skinny fairway, just plain didn't fit with the rest of the back nine.  The last four holes are very strong, with the 16th and 18th down right good.  Below are some better pictures from the day to give you a feel what the course is like.  Hope you enjoy!

Nice movement throughout the 18th green.  One of the best greens on the course.


Approach to the 18th from 170 yds.


Teeshot on the 18th.  When playing for the first time you are really not sure where to aim.  It is about 310 yards to the bunkers on the right from the very back tee.


Par 3 17th


Short and and Perplexing Par 4 16th.  This is where John Daly missed his little 3 footer to lose to Tiger in the playoff of the AMEX.


Great teeshot on the dogleg left par 4 15th.


Par 4 14th  Extremely narrow fairway / Wide corridor  ???


Par 4 13th Green Setting.


Interesting Green at the Par 5 12th 490 yds.  Played as Par 4 during AMEX :o


Par 5 9th.  Once again this hole played as a par 4 for the AMEX.


Long, Beautiful Par 3 8th. 220ish


Green of the short Par 4 7th.  Tough Pin!


Long Par 4 6th Green Setting.  Some of the better, more artistic bunkering at Harding.


Par 4 1st Green
"Read it, Roll it, Hole it."

Mike Benham

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Harding Park - Pics
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2007, 01:27:20 AM »
Is this the reverse Harding Park?  ;)
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Jeff_Stettner

Re:Harding Park - Pics
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2007, 08:27:41 AM »
Nice pics. Just out of curiousity, why do you think that SF, Olympic and Lake Merced sit on better land?

wsmorrison

Re:Harding Park - Pics
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2007, 08:32:59 AM »
Thank you for posting the photographs.  The course looks very interesting and the land quite good for golf.  The narrowed fairways and wide hole corridors combined with some busy mowing patterns makes for some strange visuals that detract from the overall look of the golf course.  The stripes in the rough and the narrow diagonal fairway patterns demonstrate a lot of skill but...  :P

Your excellent picture of the 14th fairway shows exactly what I'm talking about.  
« Last Edit: March 08, 2007, 08:34:32 AM by Wayne Morrison »

Bill_McBride

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Harding Park - Pics
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2007, 08:57:04 AM »
As unoriginal as it is to simply loop the back nine around the perimeter of the course, IMHO it is the better nine.

Jonathan, that's a classic routing technique, protects the slicers and changes hole directions continuously.  Think Chicago Golf Club, Muirfield, and one of my personal favorites, Sonoma Golf Club.  ;D

Jfaspen

Re:Harding Park - Pics
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2007, 12:56:05 PM »
Is it just me, or does anyone else see a similarity between #7 and the Road Hole bunker at The Old Course?

Maybe it's just the angle that pic was taken from.

Great pics.  Next time I'm in San Fran, I'll have to give it a try.

jf

David_Tepper

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Harding Park - Pics
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2007, 03:15:41 PM »
I live in SF and get to play Harding a bit. I would echo the comments regarding the rather narrow fairway-cuts on some of the holes. The picture of #14 is the most obvious/extreme example. I am not sure why the fairways are maintained at PGA-Tour width on a regular basis. The course would play a little faster (and play would be a little faster) if the fairways were cut wider. They would likely look more pleasing as well.    

JMorgan

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Harding Park - Pics
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2007, 03:50:02 PM »
Not to hijack the thread, but does anyone have pics of Lake Merced CC to show what the course looked like before and after Mackenzie removed the 140 odd bunkers?


Jonathan McCord

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re:Harding Park - Pics
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2007, 10:09:15 PM »
Jeff - The reason I say that Harding Park occupies the least impressive land is simply due to the topography.  The course seems to sit on a plateau above Lake Merced and there is not much movement on the ground throughout the holes.  Their are some subtle areas such as 3,8,14 and 15 but those features are very small.

Olympic changes elevation nicely, especially early and late in the round.  San Francisco has the valley holes 2,7 and 8 and subtle changes like the blind second  shot on 9.  Finally Lake Merced has holes like the 3rd - 5th and the 16-18th.

So I guess I'm simply trying to say that the other courses in the south SF area have atleast of couple of features that the architects used to add interest to individual holes, rather then just bending them left or right for no apparent reason.
"Read it, Roll it, Hole it."