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mark chalfant

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Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« on: October 23, 2006, 03:46:49 PM »
I believe this course recently had work by Mike Hurzdan's team. Has anyone had a chance to play/study  the course in 2006. Have some Ross features/greens been  restored ? thanks for  any opinions

Billsteele

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2006, 03:52:52 PM »
Mark-I have not played Scioto since Mike Hurdzan's work. However,  my understanding is that it was primarily the addition of some bunkers to account for the changes that technology hath wrought on the golf course. I am not aware of any of it being done for the purpose of recapturing the Ross essence that was lost when Dick Wilson did his revision of the course.

Cory Lewis

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2006, 04:15:23 PM »
I played Scioto for the first time this past Thursday, I don't know about the work that Hurzdan did, but the starter did tell me there is going to be a vote about redoing the greens coming up soon.  They would need to close the course for ten months.  He wasn't sure if it would pass or not.  
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tomgoutman

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2006, 05:28:18 PM »
Let's hope they don't redo the greens. They are excellent and still have a lot of Donald Ross in them.

Steve Burrows

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2006, 06:47:34 PM »
I worked at Scioto for a summer during college, and went back to check the place out a month or so ago.  If I had to guess, the work was done not out of any sense of duty towards past designers, but rather, in a valiant attempt to bring back a national championship (possibly even the Open) to a course with a rather significant history.  I imagine they'll get something, as well.

That notwithstanding, this project is a full blown renovation.  There is very little, if anything, that could be considered restoration, and certainly not anything of Ross'.  When the course was redone by Dick Wilson in the mid 60's, virtually the only thing left of Ross' was the routing.  Even the greens themselves (all of them) were elevated a few feet, for drainage and for effect.  The original Ross greens fit much more subtly into the landscape, and, for example, the original 17th green was located where the pond that front's the current 17th currently is.  It's a totally different golf course from the original.  

Also, many of the new bunkers, though incredibly beautiful, were never in any plan, either Ross' or Wilson's.  They are there to tighten fairways, and to make the course more challenging for modern standards (for whatever that means).

I love the place, but it is no longer a Ross.

 
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Scott Witter

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2006, 06:48:51 PM »
Tom Goutman:

Speaking of Ross...How is the master plan for Torresdale-Frankford coming along?

Anything you can share with the group?

T_MacWood

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 06:53:25 PM »
Its still Dick Wilson. I'm not sure it would be possible to restore the Ross course.

Mike_Young

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2006, 07:00:21 PM »

I love the place, but it is no longer a Ross.

 

Steve,
I think your statement above says alot.....Myself and most don't care..
It really doesn't matter does it as long as the place is enjoyable and challenging and the work is good...you mentioned that the main thing Ross there was the routing......IMHO that was most of what he brought to the table and that seems to be the backbone for whatever is there now.   I have seen it but not played it and it looks good to me.
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Glenn Spencer

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2006, 11:43:12 AM »
I haven't played there in a while, I will have to see if I can get up there in the spring to see these changes. The US Open though? I am not sure that I see that as a possibility. I could see the Amateur, but what would be the second course? Scarlet?

DTaylor18

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2007, 10:56:22 AM »
I played Scioto for the first time this past Thursday, I don't know about the work that Hurzdan did, but the starter did tell me there is going to be a vote about redoing the greens coming up soon.  They would need to close the course for ten months.  He wasn't sure if it would pass or not.  

Has anyone heard anything more about the work on the greens and if/when the course will be closing?

Tom Roewer

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2007, 11:40:13 AM »
I haven't played there in a while, I will have to see if I can get up there in the spring to see these changes. The US Open though? I am not sure that I see that as a possibility. I could see the Amateur, but what would be the second course? Scarlet?

Glenn:  If an Amateur, Scarlet would be the perfect 2nd course.  The provimity is great and after it's renovation they would compliment each other very well.  I walked several holes this October when my brother played in the "Swat" and was impressed by the new look.  I do know that they have some other work planned, I think this year.  One is to lengthen the par 3 14th, a really good hole now running along the ridge overlooking the Scioto River.  

JLahrman

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2007, 10:21:34 PM »
Lengthen the 14th?  It was close to 240 from the back tees ten years ago as I recall.

Tom Roewer

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2007, 07:41:46 AM »
JAL:  I know.  When they mentioned doing that at #14 I was amazed.  It kind of seemed that it was a way to get more total yardage, but i agree that that particular hole needs none.

Tom Roewer

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2007, 06:50:23 AM »
I haven't played there in a while, I will have to see if I can get up there in the spring to see these changes. The US Open though? I am not sure that I see that as a possibility. I could see the Amateur, but what would be the second course? Scarlet?

Glenn:  I heard that the U.S. OPEN Qualifyer will be moved to both Scarlet & Scioto this coming year, following the Memorial.  Should be interesting.  Scarlet can be 7500 yd. par 71 and Scioto about 7200 par 70.  This would definitely be a warm-up to having an Amateur.  And being about 3-4 miles apart makes it very convenient.

JLahrman

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2007, 10:57:53 AM »
Tom,

Obviously the 14th at the Scarlet will become a par 4 to make it a 71.  Which par 5 at Scioto is going to play as a 4?  The 8th?  There's not really any room for the tee to go back and it's got to be pretty reachable these days.  I suppose they could play the 6th as a 4 as well though.

Peter_Herreid

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2007, 03:53:27 PM »
US Open qualifier at Scioto THIS year, Tom?  I thought the course is/was closed for quite some time for the greens re-do.  Did that/Will that project happen?--entirely possible I was wildly misinformed,wouldn't be the first time! :D ;D
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Scott Stearns

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2007, 10:04:27 PM »
heard they're condsidering Scioto for the British Open.

Glenn Spencer

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2007, 11:51:16 PM »
US OPEN SECTIONAL  
    Date / Location :  06/04/2007 Ohio State University Golf Course  
      06/04/2007 Scioto Country Club


Should be very interesting!!! This is straight from the OGA site.

Glenn Spencer

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2007, 11:52:04 PM »
heard they're condsidering Scioto for the British Open.

Is this a joke or are you talking about them moving it from Congressional?

Scott Stearns

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Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2007, 08:54:45 AM »
it was a poor joke.  one person has said there would be a qualfier at Scioto, and the next said the greens were being torn out.  Seemed unlikely, but similar things have happened to qualifiers.

Glenn Spencer

Re:Scioto (Ross) restoration ?
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2007, 12:18:31 PM »
Actually, it was pretty funny, but then I thought of the qualifier and thought you might be talking about that.

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