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Jason Blasberg

Nisequogue/Hidden Gem
« on: December 31, 2006, 07:47:04 PM »
In my continued quest to uncover relatively unheralded gems in the shadows of some of the Nation/World's most celebrated layouts yesterday I found myself navigating north on Nissequogue River Road enjoying pastoral views of the Nissequogue River along the way (one of Long Island's few tidal rivers).

Golf Clubs of the MGA lists Nissequogue Golf Club as opening in 1968 and designed by C.K. Martin (does anyone have any information on Mr. Martin?).  It has been recently significantly re-designed by Stephen Kay, so much so that he is now the architect of record.


I’d never heard much of the course but always knew it occupied rolling terrain in a bucolic enclave of the North Shore of Suffolk County with a par 3 along an inlet of the Long Island Sound.

I had the pleasure of playing there yesterday.
To draw some comparisons for perspective:  the land rolls, heaves, twists and turns, much like Engineers and the elevation changes take full advantage of the Sound views, much like the Creek.  The greens had lots of interest, mostly back to front tilt with numerous shelves and levels combined with shoulder contouring off of bunkers or other natural high points around green sites.  Nothing over the top but plenty of movement and tilt and even with top-dressed greens on Dec. 30th they rolled great.    

It is tree lined in many places but plenty wide off the tee with lots of room to play.  Width is used well at NGC as the knowledgeable player must select the proper side of fairways to gain better angles and also take advantage of numerous speed slots.  

Overall it was a great surprise and the definition of hidden gem.  Kay’s new routing is a little clunky and while it charmingly returns to the clubhouse 4 times there are a few long walks.  The new routing however takes advantage of a strong 3 hole loop to finish and is worth the additional steps after 9 and 15.  

Looking down toward the 18th tee and the water.

 
« Last Edit: January 01, 2007, 08:00:44 AM by Jason Blasberg »

Jason Blasberg

Nissequogue/Hidden Gem!
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2006, 07:47:47 PM »
A look back to 17 tee:



Looking back from 18 tee to 17 green:

 

The 18th tee shot, it’s wider than it looks but still a stern finishing tee shot amid the splendor



« Last Edit: January 01, 2007, 07:56:01 AM by Jason Blasberg »

Jason Blasberg

Nissequogue/Hidden Gem!
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2006, 10:51:14 PM »
The tee shot on 9 looks like it favors a cut, however to best utilitze the speed slot you must hug the left side of the fairway so don't over cook it . . . like I did and end up in the right rough . . .



Here's the 10th, an  illustration of how much the land at NGC moves:

« Last Edit: January 01, 2007, 07:56:34 AM by Jason Blasberg »

Jason Blasberg

Nissequogue/Hidden Gem
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2007, 07:54:58 AM »
16 sits in a natural saddle and is a fierce tee shot:



The 16th falls sharply then rises gradually to a horizon green

16 plays long and after a decent drive I had 3 iron up this hill!





The climb up 16 is worth it!






Not a bad day for December 30!!!



The stunning and nerve racking 17th, playing 210 to the center from the tips, it’s easy to take a BIG number here


 




The 18th moves naturally up and to the right



Visually Kay’s bunkering works well for me:


« Last Edit: January 01, 2007, 08:04:10 AM by Jason Blasberg »

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Nisequogue/Hidden Gem
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2007, 06:19:45 PM »
Jason great report. Hidden Gems are interesting on this site.  Are there enough folks within say an hour and a half drive to tempt out to play it, because let's face it we all plan our big trips around known gems?  This looks like a course I'd love to play and for once the camera doesn't flatten everything out. Winter shadows can work well with photography.  the only thin g that surprised me was your liking of the visual look of the bunkers.  In the photo's they seemed to jar a little on my taste.

How walkable is the course with all that elevation change?
« Last Edit: January 01, 2007, 06:20:12 PM by Tony Muldoon »
Let's make GCA grate again!

Jason Blasberg

Re:Nisequogue/Hidden Gem
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2007, 08:35:52 PM »
Tony the course is very walkable.  If you're not in shape you will be if you walked it regularly but Laura walked all 18 with me and although she didn't play she does have an iffy back and she had no trouble.

It's a stiff walk but nothing like the Black Course.

The bunkering for the course as a whole works for me, the bunkering on 16 does look  bit awkward.  I do like the bunkering on 18.

PThomas

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Re:Nisequogue/Hidden Gem
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2007, 08:58:20 PM »
thanks Jason...some cool looking holes
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

David Mulle

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Re:Nisequogue/Hidden Gem
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2007, 12:03:13 AM »
One of the things that always struck me about Nissequogue is that the routing is sometimes overcome by the hills.

There are a number of holes that I like: the fourth is probably my favorite hole on the course because I think the bunkers off the tee create some very interesting decisions and the approach to the green is heavily impacted by the placement of the tee shot, the sixth is a very good long par 3 and I think the green on the par 3 12th is interesting.  I also agree that the final three holes are much better after the revisions that were made last winter.

But the holes that are the weakest, IMO, are the 7th, the 9th, the 10th and the 15th.  Each of those holes have extreme elevation change and I don't think they use the elevation change effectively.  

Jason Blasberg

Re:Nisequogue/Hidden Gem
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2007, 09:07:28 AM »
David:

I can't agree and think the elevation use is very good, except for 17 which is too much from 210, I think the hole would better play at 170 or so:

7: the slightly down hill tee shot gives you the ability to go for it in 2 especially if you use the speed slot down the left side, and the elevated greensite means this 517 yd 5 par doesn't roll over for the better player.  I had to hit a great high 3 wood to a back pin to set up an eagle try.

9: reminds me of a lot of the 18th at Engineers, except is a bit more narrow and favors a fade not a draw.  I'm sure the bigger hitters catch the speed slot down the left side and take it all the way down by the green.  lots of fun and a real tough shot if you hang it up at the top of the hill on a down slope, it also creates a blind approach for those not hitting a good drive;

Like Engineers, the routing stregth at NGC is in its challenge of ridge lines (up and over and thereby creating boh uphill and downhill shots).  Thus what you identify as weakness is likely NGC's greatest strength . . . my major criticism is that the greens are not quirky enough ;D ;D ;D


10:  the elevation change makes the entire hole, it's a short 4 par that makes you think off the tee and the approach, what's not to like about that?

15: You just don't like elevation b/c 15 is a great use of elevation off the tee, the fairway to the left of the bunkers is wide but looks tiny from the elevated tee and if you crack a great drive, like I did, you have wedge/sand wedge (I had 65 yds) but it's to an elevated  semi-blind pin with a two tiered green making distance control critical;

I think the use of elevation is what separates NGC from many others.  

What did you think of the elevation use on 14?  

Jason

Noel Freeman

Re:Nisequogue/Hidden Gem
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2007, 09:16:01 AM »
Jason--nearby, Smithtown Landing is a quite good muni, good terrain, nice course, great price.. Also a great teacher there.. Mike Hebron..