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Doug Wright

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Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #25 on: November 21, 2006, 02:12:11 PM »
The pond on the right is in play. And the trees on the left are further left at the landing area than you'd think from the tee.

A drive up the left side leaves a good angle into the green. ...  There is a tree in front of the green on the right side that  can be a problem for certain angles in, but it never came into play for me.

Sounds like a poorly designed hole to me. If water's on the right then shouldn't the player be rewarded for a drive to the right closer to the water than to the left away from the water? Here it sounds like if you drive closer to the water you have a tree in your way, and the better angle is to the left.

PS I haven't played Koele but I did play Manele several years ago and very much liked the course. A couple of shorter par 4s were particularly good along with the cliffside par 3 and par 4 on the back.  I found the day trip to Lanai from Maui very enjoyable. Kapaulua Plantation remains my favourite course in Hawaii and one of my favourites anywhere because of the width and movement of the land and C&C's use thereof.
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Patrick Schultheis

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Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2006, 02:47:09 PM »
I've stayed at Lanai a number of times.  Since I live in the Seattle area, I always stay at Manele (I get enough cloud cover at home, so my wife demands the sun).  I love the island --- not much to do but relax, eat and play golf, which is fine with me.

I very much prefer the Manele course.  While I haven't been in a few years (going again next March), both courses have always been well maintained.

I don't hate the Koele course, and I'll play it in March.  However, other than the 17th hole, my most lasting memory of the Koele course is the housing that crowds a number of holes.  Not a rousing endorsement.


Ted Kramer

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Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2006, 03:02:19 PM »
I've stayed at Lanai a number of times.  Since I live in the Seattle area, I always stay at Manele (I get enough cloud cover at home, so my wife demands the sun).  I love the island --- not much to do but relax, eat and play golf, which is fine with me.

I very much prefer the Manele course.  While I haven't been in a few years (going again next March), both courses have always been well maintained.

I don't hate the Koele course, and I'll play it in March.  However, other than the 17th hole, my most lasting memory of the Koele course is the housing that crowds a number of holes.  Not a rousing endorsement.



Interesting. The condos and building seemed much more obtrussive at Manele when I was there. Koele seemd much more remote and peaceful.

-Ted

Aidan Bradley

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Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2006, 03:10:11 PM »
The Lodge......







Manele Bay......










Ted Kramer

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Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2006, 03:38:49 PM »
lol . . .
I should just take my pictures down now right? ;D

Aiden, those are beautiful pictures.
Thanks for sharing!

-Ted

Aidan Bradley

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Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #30 on: November 21, 2006, 03:50:09 PM »
Ted,

Your images are just as important as mine, they serve to remind us of fond memories. Keep posting your pics........

Aidan.

henrye

Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2006, 04:32:32 PM »
Aidan.  Great photos, but when were these taken?  When I look at the Manele pool I don't see the 19th hole?  BTW, best rum punches ever.

Aidan Bradley

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Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2006, 04:38:44 PM »
Henry,

As an Irishman I never allow my lenses to cast their eye upon the 19th hole for fear of blurry images........Jan 2001.

Aidan.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2006, 11:11:49 PM »
My goodness Aidan, those are incredible pictures.

DMoriarty

Re:The Experience at Koele on Lanai
« Reply #34 on: November 22, 2006, 02:55:40 AM »
Geoff,

I have played both, but have played Manele more even though we have only stayed at the Lodge.   Koele is not much good in my opinion.  The course is somewhat bipolar, with half of the course winding through the mountains and substantially elevated above the other half, which is manufuctured, boring, and over relatively flat and uninteresting land.  Nothing memorable as far as architecture goes on the flat nine.  Not much more on the mountain side.  I actually prefer Robinson's 18 hole putting course (at the Lodge) to the Koele course.   Sure the putting course has plenty of phony features, but they dont seem nearly as out of place as they do on the real course.  

IMO, Manele is much better.   The course is tiered into the side of a steep slope which ultimately falls into the ocean.  Consequently, the views are fantastic but many of the tee shots have a very similar feel.  The greens arent all that interesting  but the Nicklaus people did include a number of center line bunkers in both the driving zones and at the green.  There is even a quasi-horseshoe green around a bunker on a par 3 (no. 16, I think)  Sort of an odd hole though because the green lacks slope so if you are on the wrong side you have no hope of putting around the bunker.   I guess the bottom line is that they were trying to do some interesting strategic things, sometimes with success, sometimes without.   It all would have worked better if the green contours had been better incorporated into the strategy.  

The routing is strange with odd criss-crosses and double backs and it is not a walking course. but neither is Koele-- not even close.  

The two ocean holes are beautiful, with spectacular carries on 12 (217 yd par three) and 17 (a long par 4.)  No. 17 is a fun hole and beautiful, but last time I played it they were building a house behind the green, ruining the illusion that one could end up in the ocean if one hit the ball long.  No. 2 is one of the few holes where you cant really see the ocean, but it is one of the better holes on the course.  

Last time I was there I didnt play either course, but instead spent some time hitting balls on the beautiful range, and ferried over to play Plantation once.   That being said, I did enjoy the course the first handful of times I played it, and wouldnt feel bad about recommending it to anyone who didnt mind sitting in a cart.  

Depending upon your friend's sense of adventure,  he should check out the Cavenaugh Course, especially if he is staying at the Lodge.   The Cavenaugh was the old Dole course built for visiting execs. and is now almost exclusively the locals course.   IMO the routing is much better than than the routing on both nines on the adjacent Koele course, and there are some interesting features, like severely falling away greens, a par 3 which plays straight up (over a moto-cross jump), and a long, uphill hump-backed fairway.  Last time I was there they were try to rebuild some greens and add some bunkers so I wouldnt be surprised if it now isnt nearly as interesting as it was.  

Warning.  Last time I was there the conditions on the Cavenaugh were truly horrible.  But still it was fun to walk over from the Lodge with a partial bag.  Don't forget to leave 5 dollars in the drop box.