Has Tom Doak ever ...

[Garland Bayley]

used the 9th at Westward Ho! as a template for a short par 5?

If so, where?
What merits?

[Tom_Doak]

Not entirely ... I try not to use ideas from elsewhere if there is something on site to run with instead.

But, I believe that my sixth hole at High Pointe (a short par-5) was partly inspired by the 9th at Westward Ho!  It had a single bunker at left front; the right side of the green was higher so you could steer balls in, and then it fell away to the back left, behind the bunker.  There was a bit more going on with the right side of it, but that was the general idea.

[Matthew Essig]

Tom has hinted at it by using the name Westward Ho! for the 15th at Old Mac. 

[Garland Bayley]

Tom has hinted at it by using the name Westward Ho! for the 15th at Old Mac. 

I'm thinking that is more for rumpled fairway, than similarity to #9. E.g., similarity to #6. Besides it goes westward.

[Bill_McBride]

Tom has hinted at it by using the name Westward Ho! for the 15th at Old Mac. 

That's the par 5 up the hill?   No similarity to the green Tom himself described above. 

[Matthew Essig]

I said he hinted it with the name... I never said that the 15th had any resemblance to the original Westward Ho!....... I was hoping the winkie face helped send that message across...

[Tom_Doak]

I christened the 15th at Old Macdonald Westward Ho! because

a)  Macdonald was a fan of Westward Ho!, and
b)  The hole plays straight west into the setting sun   

But, there is more elevation change on that one hole than on all 18 holes of Royal North Devon put together.

[John Mayhugh]

But, I believe that my sixth hole at High Pointe (a short par-5) was partly inspired by the 9th at Westward Ho!  It had a single bunker at left front; the right side of the green was higher so you could steer balls in, and then it fell away to the back left, behind the bunker.  There was a bit more going on with the right side of it, but that was the general idea.

This one?  I really enjoyed the holes on the flattish part of the site.

[Garland Bayley]

But, I believe that my sixth hole at High Pointe (a short par-5) was partly inspired by the 9th at Westward Ho!  It had a single bunker at left front; the right side of the green was higher so you could steer balls in, and then it fell away to the back left, behind the bunker.  There was a bit more going on with the right side of it, but that was the general idea.

This one?  I really enjoyed the holes on the flattish part of the site.

Those must be the great sea rushes in the background.

Seriously. Do you see similarities in the play of the two holes John?

[Tom_Doak]

The similarity was that the hole at High Pointe was designed to receive a running approach shot and turn it left to a portion of the green that was difficult to hold with an aerial approach.  The green at Westward Ho! sits up more and the hole location on the left is much shallower.

Just remembered, I had proposed a green based on that one for our Rio design, too.

[Dan Moore]

Old Mac Westward Ho

[Tom_Doak]

Great photo, Dan ... I love the colors.  Throw in a few sheep and it could almost be Westward Ho!

[Garland Bayley]

Just as a side note, there are quite a few golf holes named Westward Ho! around the world. The ones I took time to look at were all par 4s. I presume that they were named Westward Ho! at least in part, because they head west, especially I ran across on named Southward Ho! that had the explanation that they couldn't name it Westward Ho! like the others, because it headed to the south.

[Dan Moore]

Thank you Tom.  I was lucky to have some nice light that day and the day prior at Pac Dunes.  A few more of Old Mac's Westward Ho.

[Jud_T]

Dan,

Pretty sweet, except it looks like you happened upon some Croquet players...