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ForkaB

Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2006, 01:33:22 PM »
Rich,
Well, I do believe that there is a reasonable consensus among scientists that it doesn't necessarily take major events, from the Pleistocene epoch forward, to effect changes on our climate. We may be a 'small' species but we are prodigious consumers. If we cannot say with any certainty that what we are doing has a severe negative impact, we cannot say the reverse and sound credible.

I, for one, don't subscribe to a doom and gloom philosophy, but I don't think we can blithely continue on the path we have been taking without some future consequence. Just cleaning up the air we breathe has positive medical benefits for us, never mind the rest of the planet.  

BillV,
That might not be a bad idea (leaving putts short rather than getting them to the hole lest they roll off the green and back down the fairway!! )   in some cases.  ;D

Jim

I don't think any of the three sentences in your first paragraph stand up to scrutiny. Not that they might not be right, but that they are not (as you state them) obviously right.  There is no "reasonable" consensus of which you speak regarding the effects of small events on global climate change.  Our species is in some ways "prodigious" regarding consumption in a relative sense, but in a global sense, not really.  I don't really understand your third sentence.  What do you mean?

Good news!  I agree with your 2nd paragraph.

Even better news, I agree with the 3rd one, too!  Even though I do not exactly understqand it, it is on topic.  I think......

Cheers

Rich

Mike Hendren

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2006, 01:46:55 PM »
Better yet, where does the gun-rack go?

Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

John_Cullum

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2006, 01:48:04 PM »
How so John? I'm curious...

Tim

Interestingly, the summer is much more tolerable in Florida than it is in Georgia.

Georgia and much of the southeast is stifling hot and humid in the summer. Note Hillbilly Hendren's post about the 4 days of 100 plus temps at the Women's open in Nashville. Since the beginning of recording weather histories, there has never been a 100 degree day in Miami (or Tampa for that matter). Air seems to circulate better because we are on a peninsula.

Pensacola, Tallahassee, and Jacksonville are probably the worst places in the state for heat and humidity. I would guess Tallahassee is really bad.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2006, 02:50:39 PM »
Rich,
I'm glad you agree with me 2/3 of the time.  ;D
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ForkaB

Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2006, 02:55:09 PM »
You are a lucky man, Jim.  I agree myself less than 2/3 of the time!

Rick Shefchik

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #30 on: June 29, 2006, 05:24:53 PM »
Rich, it's a proven fact that polar bears are falling through the thinning polar icecap at an alarming rate. If that's not enough to make you park your Mini Cooper, I don't know what would be.
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Gary Daughters

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #31 on: June 29, 2006, 06:23:59 PM »

Two of the most hellishly hot embers in America would have to be Columbia, SC and Augusta, Georgia.  No wonder they close that course in the summer.
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Dan Herrmann

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2006, 06:47:58 PM »
regardless, we need to cut back our CO2 emissions.  For the immediate future, scrubbers may work.  Long term, alternative fuels will need to be developed.  The trick, of course, is making a profit on it.

Once there's a good profit to be made, the smart companies will advantage themselves of the opportunities presented.

As far as this year's weather, the big problem in the US is the stagnation of our patterns.  The east has been plagued with cut-off lows and troughs.  We need the jet stream to wake up and start things moving.

But I am concerned that we're getting this much flooding without a tropical storm.  This was just a stuck front between a Bermuda high and a Great Lakes trough.    Ironically, it was a nascent tropical system off the NC coast that finally moved the sucker east.

Mike_Young

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #33 on: June 29, 2006, 08:15:21 PM »

Summers in Atlanta seem to be progressively less playable and winters progressively more playable.  


Maybe they seem to be, but they probably aren't.

I have been at every Georgia Open for the past 8 years, the last 5 or 6 have been around Atlanta. First week of August every year. I have not been unable to play. The past couple of years we have had little play suspension during  a 4 day event. Some, but not much. We have had a couple in the last 5 years with zero suspension. I would have thought that impossible during any phase of my 46 year life.

Guys,
Looks to me like the answer is staring us in the face and ATL clubs are afraid to be the first.  Bent was not intended for this area.  Ultradwarf will work and allow one to play during the season.  I predict it will evolve......so many areas go against the grain trying to gain a slight edge and then have problems.
Mike
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Gary Daughters

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2006, 10:11:59 PM »

Mike,

Off the top of my head it seems the (generally accepted) line for bent in Georgia runs from about Atlanta to Athens.  If I'm wrong I'm sure you'll correct me.  Would you move that line farther north?  If so, to where?

It seems a substantial percentage of courses in the Atlanta area, public and private, have bent greens.  Do they all need to be ripped up?  What is the cost in that, per course?  It seems the public courses (The Creek at Hard Labor, North Fulton) are taking the lead on that.. Champion Bermuda.. which to me is the greatest invention this side of the pro-V1.
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peter_p

Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2006, 02:33:08 AM »
  Everybody of all persuasions must go to see "An Inconvenient Truth". Granted there is about five minutes of political stuff, but edit that out. They chart out 600,000 years of climate history through Antarctic ice. There WAS a cycle. The cycle has changed in our lifetime as the world population is rising from 1B to 9B.
  John K, it is always possible to catch a good weather streak on the Oregon coast in February. Monday we set an alltime high in June of 102 in Portland. Portland thunderstorms are more prevalent now than at anytime in the last 40 years IMO.
  We are lucky that we spend 4 hours in low gear on thea golf course. I pray our grandchildren will be as fortunate.
  Jim K, They did a 10% sampling of articles about global warming that were publshed in peer reviewed publication.
The number supporting global warming was 928. The number against was zero. The perception problem is that 50% of the non peer review (geared to the general public) say there is a question that it is man caused. I think the argument is based on the long cyclical pattern which was permanently broekn when the inevitable exponential growth of the human race hit during our lifetime. Let me know if your opinion changes after seeing the movie. Go to a matinee, its cheaper and it gets you out of the heat of the day.
     
     
 
 
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Jim Nugent

Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2006, 03:06:55 AM »
 Everybody of all persuasions must go to see "An Inconvenient Truth". Granted there is about five minutes of political stuff, but edit that out. They chart out 600,000 years of climate history through Antarctic ice. There WAS a cycle. The cycle has changed in our lifetime as the world population is rising from 1B to 9B.
  John K, it is always possible to catch a good weather streak on the Oregon coast in February. Monday we set an alltime high in June of 102 in Portland. Portland thunderstorms are more prevalent now than at anytime in the last 40 years IMO.
  We are lucky that we spend 4 hours in low gear on thea golf course. I pray our grandchildren will be as fortunate.
  Jim K, They did a 10% sampling of articles about global warming that were publshed in peer reviewed publication.
The number supporting global warming was 928. The number against was zero. The perception problem is that 50% of the non peer review (geared to the general public) say there is a question that it is man caused. I think the argument is based on the long cyclical pattern which was permanently broekn when the inevitable exponential growth of the human race hit during our lifetime. Let me know if your opinion changes after seeing the movie. Go to a matinee, its cheaper and it gets you out of the heat of the day.    
 

Peter -- not everyone believes Gore's movie or view are accurate.  Here are a few scientific reviews:

"Gore's circumstantial arguments are so weak that they are pathetic. It is simply incredible that they, and his film, are commanding public attention.  The man is an embarrassment to US science and its many fine practitioners, a lot of whom know (but feel unable to state publicly) that his propaganda crusade is mostly based on junk science." – Professor Bob Carter, of the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University in Australia, June 12, 2006

“A general characteristic of Mr. Gore's approach is to assiduously
ignore the fact that the earth and its climate are dynamic; they are always changing even without any external forcing. To treat all change as something to fear is bad enough; to do so in order to exploit that fear is much worse.” - Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT

Lindzen says the study Gore cites, which claims 100% consensus on global warming, is flat-out wrong:  

“…A study in the journal Science by the social scientist Nancy Oreskes claimed that a search of the ISI Web of Knowledge Database for the years 1993 to 2003 under the key words "global climate change" produced 928 articles, all of whose abstracts supported what she referred to as the
consensus view. A British social scientist, Benny Peiser, checked her procedure and found that only 913 of the 928 articles had abstracts at all, and that only 13 of the remaining 913 explicitly endorsed the so-called consensus view. Several actually opposed it.”- Lindzen wrote in an op-ed in the June 26, 2006 Wall Street Journal.

Roy Spencer, principal research scientist for the University of Alabama in Huntsville, wrote an open letter to Gore criticizing his presentation of climate science in the film:

“…Temperature measurements in the arctic suggest that it was just as warm there in the 1930's...before most greenhouse gas emissions. Don't you ever wonder whether sea ice concentrations back then were low, too?”- Roy Spencer wrote in a May 25, 2006 column.

Former University of Winnipeg climatology professor Dr. Tim Ball points out problems with Gore’s claim that there has been a sharp drop-off in the thickness of the Arctic ice cap since 1970:

"The survey that Gore cites was a single transect across one part of the Arctic basin in the month of October during the 1960s when we were in the middle of the cooling period. The 1990 runs were done in the warmer month of September, using a wholly different technology.”

IMO Gore is another hack politician.  His warnings about the environment carry as much weight as his claim that he invented the internet.  

ForkaB

Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2006, 03:34:13 AM »
Rich, it's a proven fact that polar bears are falling through the thinning polar icecap at an alarming rate. If that's not enough to make you park your Mini Cooper, I don't know what would be.

Rick

My theory is that the polar bears are getting fatter rather than the ice getting thinner.

BTW--I'm not a Mini-Cooper sort of guy.  I drive a Toyota which I have modifed to run on a blend of malt whisky and farts.

peter_p

Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2006, 03:37:52 AM »
Jim, did you go to the movie?

ForkaB

Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2006, 04:32:46 AM »
Thanks, Sean

I was waiting to announce this, but since you outed my car I'll have to post it now.

Apres Buda Cup Fringe Festival

Venue--Rich's Toyota Solara
Time--Whenever

Oct. 2

Front Seat--Open mike stand up comedy, Tony Muldoon MC
Back Seat--Long Driving competition involving philip gawith and Sean Arble
Boot/Trunk--Night putting, £10/15 minutes

Oct. 3

Front Seat--Gala birthday party
Back Seat--three tenors concert (book early!)
Boot--Lecture on "Why Scottish beer is Pish!" by Sean Arble

Oct. 4

Front Seat--Short game clinic featuring MIssy Leatherbottom
Back Seat--club fitting by Titleist (TM)
Boot--Team photos

Enjoy!

PS--Oh yes, if you must break wind during any of the festivities, please do so into any one of the "Fuel Intake" valves, located conventiently throughout the car.
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2006, 12:29:01 PM »

Redanman,

             I agree should read 'State of Fear'. In fact they should give them out to people coming out of the movie.  

Gary Daughters

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Re:Weather cycles and golf...opinions/no science...
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2006, 01:08:43 PM »

There is more scientific proof of global warming than there was reliable intelligence on Saddam's (fallacious) WMD.  And yet we took out Saddam out of a supposed abundance of caution.  It's all about the agenda.

No more politics from me.
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