Why doesn't Rees Jones get any love?

[Gib_Papazian]

Dan,

Final thought:

I think you grossly underestimate the cumulative architectural knowledge of the average poster on this site.

I respect Brad - and even like him despite our past differences - but the pool of perspectives, experience and opinion here is frighteningly lofty.

Brad knows an enormous amount, but there are holes in his overall understanding of the art and craft, just like all of us.

Starting with me.

As a global statement, Brad knows a goodly amount about every aspect of golf design. But once you get into the particulars, there are many members of the Treehouse whose depth of individual concepts go beyond Brad.

Brad is great because even in his preachy, pedantic way, he can bring any student (the guy is a college prof) up to speed on how to evaluate a golf course with astonishing speed.

His lectures are excellent because even if you do not agree, it still provides a brain tickle and always sparks discussion.

But that does not mean he knows everything.

Just that he has more GENERAL knowledge than most.

The Emperor knows more about bunkering and hazards, Sean Tully is a greater historian, George Bahto with a single glance tell you what is original and not with 99% accuracy. Joel Stewart has seen it all twice over.

Brad is the guy with the lecturn and clipboard . . . not that he does not deserve it. He does, but to state he is in the top 1% on a site like this is a bit of a stretch.

As for me, I think Barnyf and I occupy a special category  immune from the assignment of percentage.

[Gib_Papazian]

I smell 30+ pages for this thread.  

Can we beat Michelle Wie??  

Sure, if she gives me four shots a side.

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Rich,
Acceleratory; meaning that you accelerated this discussion with your very misleading and very untrue statement. The reason why you might not have found "Acceleratory" in a dictionary is probably because it's still collecting dust, just like Rough Meditations. Why would a guy like you, with your education need a dictionary?

You can go ahead and make fun of my vernacular all you want. I'll be the first to admit my command of the English language is anything but perfect and, well, I failed Sophmore English in High School, which says a lot right there. But more then anything, it shows your pension for snobbery and arrogance, which is seldom displayed by anyone else on this board. Oh, you must be proud.

i ask you to show me some photographic proof of C&C's work at Rivera, which would not make it a roaring success, you in turn look-up an old Sports Illustrated article and then attack my use (misuse in this case) of the English language.

But still, no proof otherwise. I think that says a lot.

[ForkaB]

Tommy and George

If I had said something like:

"Apparently C&C's work at Sand Hills is not considered to be a roaring success"

.....and after you had challenged me and I had asked you to show me some evidence to the contrary you could have easily done so and laid me flat and low, like Tom Paul's posh tottie from Kentucky.

However, you could not and apparently cannot.  If you can't give me any evidence that C&C's work at Riviera WAS a roaring success, please don't reply and waste Ran's bandwidth, as I will not respond.

All the best

Rich

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Rich,
I was the one that asked first for your proof that C&C at Rivera was not a roaring success. You have yet to prove anything.

As far as waste of bandwidth, dont worry about that. I'll delete it as soon as you offer your proof of prima facie evidence or admit that you were very wrong in making this statement, which isn't about Sandhills, isn't about Eastlake, it's about Riviera. You made the statement. If you want to defend your take on it, well then do it.

[Michael Dugger]

Tommy is just trying to fit into the 'merica of today, as led by George Dubya.

Surely you've all heard the following:

misunderestimated
Subliminabable
stratergy

[George Pazin]

Well, if that's your standard - that we have to prove an assertion you made wrong - then I'm done discussing it. Might as well go smash my head against the wall.

[Dan Herrmann]

Gib,
I certainly wasn't including folks like you in that 98%.

Obviously, I may have misoverstated to make a point (poorly, actually).  For folks like me, GCA is a fascination - a hobby if you will.  For others, it's their life and they do it very well.

I'm a 2nd semester freshman in the University of GCA

[ForkaB]

Well, if that's your standard - that we have to prove an assertion you made wrong - then I'm done discussing it. Might as well go smash my head against the wall.

George

If I said the sky was not blue and you disagreed, all you would have to do to convince me otherwise was to post a photo of a blue sky.

To convince me that at least one person believes that C&C's work at Riviera was a "roaring success" all you or Tommy need to do is post some reliable information stating so.  Of course, that would still not disprove my premise.....

Surely this is not too hard a task for a guy who got 1600 on his SATs?

[George Pazin]

Apparently you're not the roaring intellect you claim to be....

[Tommy_Naccarato]

Rich,
I don't need to write anything more. I think your logic has proven George and myself correct. Flawed and imperfect as it maybe. (In your terms)

[Lou_Duran]

Gib Papazian,

You never cease to amaze me.  Pres. Clinton could have taken lessons form you.  Well done!

[Gib_Papazian]

Lou,

Judging by our shared opinion of Hillary's handpuppet, the only lessons I want to give Bill Clinton are for cordless bungee jumping.

Maybe in the interest of bi-partisan solidarity, we can get a two-for-one and Dubya can go too.

[Gene Greco]

Bethpage is a stunning success, no doubt . . . . I've just not played it. So, maybe that will change my mind  . . . . .  

Gib:

   Bethpage was a GREAT golf course and a stunning success well before the hand of Rees ever touched it.

[SPDB]

This thread is highly amusing. Only here can 5 pages be consumed with edge of the seat excitement concerning whether or not a highly subjective conclusion is susceptible of easy proof. Hilarious.

It also features a couple of my favorite sparring partners going at it under the Marquess of Ran-sbury rules.

George,

You are correct when you say there is nothing wrong with listening to someone and avoiding a course. Assuming that was in response to my post, I think you misunderstood me - I wasn't referring to a single course, but rather avoiding an architect's body of work based on what is said here, and the more common occurrence of using that same grist for developing conclusions or predispositions on that architect.  I think you can appreciate the fine distinction between your comments and mine.