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Sean_A

Sutton Coldfield GC Pix (another Brum delight)
« on: May 18, 2006, 12:17:52 PM »
Played Sutton Coldfield for the first time yesterday.  Its another Dr. Mac course that has altered some bunkering and added some 400 yards, but I think the routing is intact.  The course is not long, 6200 from daily markers.  There are loads of slightly turning holes at the landing zones or pinching at landing zones.  When I came in I thought there were loads of bunkers, but I only counted 51.  Turns out there is only one fairway bunker!  I was fairly impressed with the course and would give it a 5.4 on the SRA scale (5 being good, 6ish being great and 6.5ish world class).  Probably not quite good enough for a travelling visitor to bother with, but good none the less.

Par 3, second hole.  The bunkering is a bit sneaky.  There is a crossing bunker maybe 10 yards short of the green.


Approach to third.  A long par 4 which swings slightly left.


3rd hole from in front of front right bunker.


From the 4th tee.  The hole slides right.  Trees on left are very reachable if drive isn't shaped.


The 6th.  The second of three straight par 5s.  This is from the layup position.


From the tee of the 7th.  A lovely down and up short par 5.  


Short-right of the green


The 9th.  An excellent par 3


A closer look


The 13th.  Another slider to the right which requires a shaped te shot.  This is from short left.


Another short par 5.  The 14th tee shot.  It is here that I began to realize the size and how much heathland there is at Sutton Park (in the northern suburbs of Brum)


Short and left of the green


The long par 3 15th.  Terrific hole with a false front green.


The green is quite built up


Short right of the 17th.  Another good long par 3 with a narrow green.


18 tee shot


Ciao

Sean
« Last Edit: May 18, 2006, 12:23:50 PM by Sean Arble »
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Tony_Muldoon

Re:Sutton Coldfield GC Pix (another Brum delight)
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2006, 12:45:09 PM »
Sean.  I played it twice last year just after rain and each time it was dry within minutes. In fact the fairways drained better than the greens.

Definitely a second tier course but a great local track to have. If you don't expect too much then I can't see how you'd fail to have fun there.

Any thought on my theory about the two green keepers?  Apparently at one point they had two of them who couldn't get on at all.  So the club got each to maintain 9 holes and leave each other well alone.  While driving home it occurred to me that many of the greens near the start/finish/turn were close to a regular oval in shape but the ones further way had more variety.  You're really sharp on observations any value in my thoughts?

PS the electric cattle wires around the greens help you feel you’re a million miles away from the city yet both times I was at the course in 20mins from the city centre.
2025 Craws Nest Tassie, Carnoustie.

Scott Witter

Re:Sutton Coldfield GC Pix (another Brum delight)
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2006, 12:59:47 PM »
Sean:

I wondered...would I be allowed to use a helicopter to drop my ball onto the 9th green instead of trying to weave it in and out between the TREES!!

Sorry to hear about the bunkers because the large bunker front left of the 15th doesn't fit at all and it is far from anything the good Dr. would have done.

Hey, don't take this the wrong way, I am really just frustrated because I am not playing much golf these days and it is easy to pick on something else!

Mark_Rowlinson

Re:Sutton Coldfield GC Pix (another Brum delight)
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2006, 01:20:22 PM »
I have the centenary book here.  It seems that MacKenzie's proposals to alter the course were made in 1919 and these were implemented in 1922 under a foreman by the name of Caffrey who was on loan from CA MacKenzie's company in Leeds.  Although the alterations were still continuing in 1923 all funds for the alterations were by then exhausted and any further alterations had to be carried out during normal course maintenance.  The Captain during these years, J Collyer, was very critical of many aspects of the work, observing that 'the whole history of the course reconstruction has been a very long drawn out misfortune for the club.'  He accused the Green Committee of 'breaking faith' with the members and pointed out that the planning and building of Longmoor and Fox Earth holes [now 14 and 15] had been undertaken by the Green Committee, but asserted that most greens were constructed under the supervision of Caffrey 'based on MacKenzie's sketches.'  Further rearrangement took place after WWII.  A fire destroyed quite a lot of the gorse and a good many trees in 1976.  After that much replanting took place, and self-seeding of birches took place in the marshy areas.  Much of this birch was cleared in 1987.  

Tony_Muldoon

Re:Sutton Coldfield GC Pix (another Brum delight)
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2006, 04:08:18 PM »
Mark It’s not a bad little book and they sell copies of it quite cheap in the proshop.

I hope these images show. This was Mackenzie’s proposal in 1929




On thing that surprised me is that the famous 3 consecutive par 5’s are not shown as such, in fact two more holes have been lost to create today’s routing– however it should be remembered this is not an as built plan. Even so beware of claims that this is an example of his bold routing or refusal to follow orthodoxy.

The course in 1968



One feature that intrigued me is the diagonal bunker on today 6; this was on his plan although it is shown with a gap in the middle.  It's at the top of the orignal drawing and bottom right of the newer one.



I think diagonal hazards are underused and this is one in it’s starkest form.  I wonder if he had supervised its construction whether he’d have tried to naturalise it, perhaps make it look like a stream, at least from a distance. Anyways the book makes clear that he didn’t personally supervise the work and most of the bunkering today lacks real character.


They have some record of the meeting where he presented his plans, much of what was recorded is familiar stuff form him but they also have “It is a wide open moor similar to Walton Heath but in some respects superior, that it is more wooded and has much better sand...”


The book says the holes he'd recognise to day are 1,2,3,4 ("which was to be modelled on the 16th at St Andrews"), 12 (his 15th) & 18.  Other parts are familar but with new tee's and greens.


Sean If I lived near I’d be happy to be a member there.
« Last Edit: May 18, 2006, 04:15:45 PM by Tony Muldoon »
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Mark_Rowlinson

Re:Sutton Coldfield GC Pix (another Brum delight)
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2006, 12:41:47 PM »
On his 1910 map of Alwoodley, MacKenzie has several trench-like cross-bunkers marked, a number of which were created out of former ditches.  The only one that survives is one across the par-5 8th hole, and golfers of my inability usually have to lay up short of it leaving a longish third shot at an awkward angle to find the green.  In fact, as built this was a much more extensive bunker and served also to catch topped shots on the par-3 9th.  There was also one on the 6th (a diagonal affair) and smaller ones on the 3rd, 4th and 5th, making use of a ditch-line crossing all three fairways.  However, surviving photos of MacKenzie's era show these bunkers to be elaboratly finished with pie-crust outlines, wispy grass on top and irregularly flashed-up sand.  They were works of art.  They weren't created overnight, however, and that map of (we think) 1910 actually has crosses on certain bunkers indicating that they were complete at this stage and that the rest were still to be finished.  The Committee had forbidden the construction of more bunkers in 1908 until 'Mr Fowler of Walton Heath' had inspected the course.  Fowler wrote a detailed account of the course in a Sheffield newspaper some time later and mentioned what bunkers he would like to see created on the embryonic course.  MacKenzie clearly took no notice of what Fowler suggested!  Coincidentally, there was another map of Alwoodley made in 1910 by one HA Chapman (who was not a member of the club) and although it is a more polished map than MacKenzie's free-hand sketch, the bunkering, in particular, differs in detail from MacKenzie's.  

If it took MacKenzie at least three years, probably more, to complete the bunkering at Alwoodley (OK, it was his first attempt) in the manner he wished for, clearly he will have had little influence at Sutton Coldfield, to which he did not return.

Anybody know anything about another MacKenzie course in the area, Walsall?  

JohnV

Re:Sutton Coldfield GC Pix (another Brum delight)
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2006, 12:49:43 PM »
Scott,

Looks like you could use the helicopter on the 2nd hole as well as the ninth.  Nothing that a chainsaw couldn't cure.  The rest of the course looks very nice though.


Ryan Farrow

Re:Sutton Coldfield GC Pix (another Brum delight)
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2006, 01:41:05 PM »
Yea, the 2nd and 9th need some serious tree removal, not to mention that cart path running across number 2. I’m sure those plans don’t show all those trees trying to overtake the hole. Other than that the course looks like a lot of fun.

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