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Anthony Butler

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Surely, all the good names aren't taken.
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2006, 12:06:48 PM »
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The full itinerary:

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5. Ballyneal, Colorado

7. Tumble Creek, Washington

It's not part of Tom Doak's job to fix, but am I the only one who wishes that golf courses confined their 'creativity' to the golf course? These fanciful names that are cropping up with increasing regularity do the game no credit.

Do they have an "Irish" pub at the 19th out there in Colorado?

It's not a 'GCA' question, but what is the most ridiculous name you have ever see attached to a golf course?
« Last Edit: May 14, 2006, 12:10:09 PM by Anthony Butler »
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Voytek Wilczak

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Re:Surely, all the good names aren't taken.
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2006, 12:33:57 PM »
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The full itinerary:

...........

5. Ballyneal, Colorado

7. Tumble Creek, Washington

It's not part of Tom Doak's job to fix, but am I the only one who wishes that golf courses confined their 'creativity' to the golf course? These fanciful names that are cropping up with increasing regularity do the game no credit.

Do they have an "Irish" pub at the 19th out there in Colorado?

It's not a 'GCA' question, but what is the most ridiculous name you have ever see attached to a golf course?

I agree.

Golf course names should be derived as much as possible from the local area and its history.

That's why Dismal River is a great name, as is Bayonne Golf Club (there are many other - Sebonack, Friar's Head, etc). But spare me the assorted Dunes, Hills, (or Scotland in Colorado,etc) - please. It's tiresome.

I cannot express how much respect I have for Bergstol for naming his Club for Bayonne, a blue-collar, Hudson County town, which has sometimes been disparaged for its working-class heritage. But it's a great little town with the best Italian and Polish delis you'll find anywhere.

Bergstol could have called his golf course Liberty Harbor, Liberty View, Liberty Dunes or Liberty Hills.  Or Bayview or Harborview or Harborside. Or some other boring , me-too name like that.

Sorry for the rant, but your post hit my hot button.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2006, 12:35:20 PM by Voytek Wilczak »

Tom_Doak

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Re:My Next Big Trip
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2006, 02:39:28 PM »
Anthony:

I have never chosen the name for one of my courses directly, that's usually the owner's province.

However, I don't think Ballyneal is a "marketing" name by your purposes.  The O'Neal family's roots are in Ireland, and "Ballyneal" is Irish for "the place of the [O'] Neals", chosen in honor of their father.  It may not be local to Holyoke, Colorado, but it does have a real meaning.

The most ridiculous name for a new golf course?  I'll vote for the Royal American Links, a Mike Hurdzan course in Galena, Ohio.  According to the web site, it's "a links-style course with water in play on several holes.  The signature par-3 third hole plays over a small pond to the green."

Tim Bert

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Re:My Next Big Trip
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2006, 03:27:39 PM »
I understood the background behind the name of Ballyneal, and I thought it was a rather cool name.  Much more meaningful than Holyoke Country Club would have been.

Patrick_Mucci

Re:My Next Big Trip
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2006, 03:31:36 PM »
Tom Doak,

The weather and condition of the greens may have a substantive impact on scoring.  The quality of the field has to be taken into consideration as well

It's turned cooler and the long range forecast is for rain or showers all week long.  

Hopefully, the forecast will improve.

With respect to # 11 tee, if the entire 7th fairway is shifted right, back to its 1936 configuration, that would take the left side of the fairway further away from the 11th tee.

The tall rough would then be a substantive impediment to going directly for the green since theres a dogleg like configuration that's created by the shifting, and the risk-reward would be magnified dramatically.

It would seem logical to conclude that since the hole played that way circa 1936, it could play the same way in 2006.

And, if the 11th tee was moved back it might remove if from the range of most of those golfers hitting their second shots on # 7, while at the same time bringing the cross bunkers back into play.

Sadly, the wonderful cross bunker feature has been taken out of play on the drive on # 11, unless there's a stiff, cool breeze in your face, which isn't the prevailing wind on that hole.

Probably, one of the worst thing that can happen to a golf course is for a long hitting PGA Tour Pro to visit and play the golf course, because the membership immediately shifts their perspective on the golf course from the membership's game, to the PGA Tour Player's games.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2006, 03:41:31 PM by Patrick_Mucci »

Anthony Butler

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Sham... rock.
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2006, 07:54:41 PM »
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Anthony:

I have never chosen the name for one of my courses directly, that's usually the owner's province.

However, I don't think Ballyneal is a "marketing" name by your purposes.  The O'Neal family's roots are in Ireland, and "Ballyneal" is Irish for "the place of the [O'] Neals", chosen in honor of their father.  It may not be local to Holyoke, Colorado, but it does have a real meaning.

The most ridiculous name for a new golf course?  I'll vote for the Royal American Links, a Mike Hurdzan course in Galena, Ohio.  According to the web site, it's "a links-style course with water in play on several holes.  The signature par-3 third hole plays over a small pond to the green."

Tom, as you would probably be aware from your travels to Australia, we are not immune from touting our Gaelic roots in ways that should be considered crimes against good taste and good sense. (e.g. My father insisted on calling his country house 'Ormonde' because another branch of the Butler family are the big cheeses in a town of that name in South-West Ireland. Completely embarrassing.)

The question is when does an acceptable private vanity actually end up deceiving the public? I guess if the name Ballyneal and the other example you mention convinces someone that a true links experience awaits them 1000 miles from the nearest ocean, the only thing I can say is "caveat emptor".
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Ted Kramer

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Re:Surely, all the good names aren't taken.
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2006, 08:00:22 PM »
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The full itinerary:

...........

5. Ballyneal, Colorado

7. Tumble Creek, Washington

It's not part of Tom Doak's job to fix, but am I the only one who wishes that golf courses confined their 'creativity' to the golf course? These fanciful names that are cropping up with increasing regularity do the game no credit.

Do they have an "Irish" pub at the 19th out there in Colorado?

It's not a 'GCA' question, but what is the most ridiculous name you have ever see attached to a golf course?

I agree.

Golf course names should be derived as much as possible from the local area and its history.

That's why Dismal River is a great name, as is Bayonne Golf Club (there are many other - Sebonack, Friar's Head, etc). But spare me the assorted Dunes, Hills, (or Scotland in Colorado,etc) - please. It's tiresome.

I cannot express how much respect I have for Bergstol for naming his Club for Bayonne, a blue-collar, Hudson County town, which has sometimes been disparaged for its working-class heritage. But it's a great little town with the best Italian and Polish delis you'll find anywhere.

Bergstol could have called his golf course Liberty Harbor, Liberty View, Liberty Dunes or Liberty Hills.  Or Bayview or Harborview or Harborside. Or some other boring , me-too name like that.

Sorry for the rant, but your post hit my hot button.

I agree 100% with regards to Bayonne.
Have any of you ever played the drinking game "zoom schwartz figliano"? The name of my dream golf course is "Figliano Way".
There will be a small bar behind the 1st tee stocked with beers and bourbon only, and the 1st hole will be named, "Drink and start" . . .

-Ted
« Last Edit: May 14, 2006, 08:03:38 PM by Ted Kramer »

A_Clay_Man

Re:My Next Big Trip
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2006, 09:54:24 PM »
Tom, If the weather on the right side is poor, come left and fillout Ballyneal's member/member at two gct's. We need a twelfth.

Tom Dunne

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Re:My Next Big Trip
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2006, 11:25:16 PM »
Anthony:
The most ridiculous name for a new golf course?  I'll vote for the Royal American Links, a Mike Hurdzan course in Galena, Ohio.  According to the web site, it's "a links-style course with water in play on several holes.  The signature par-3 third hole plays over a small pond to the green."

That not-so-little war fought back in 1776 suggests that this is a nomination worth seconding in the "dumbest course name" department.

In other news, I'll be out at Bayonne at the end of the week. Hope to run into you, Tom.  

Anthony Butler

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Re:My Next Big Trip
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2006, 02:22:26 AM »
Anthony:
The most ridiculous name for a new golf course?  I'll vote for the Royal American Links, a Mike Hurdzan course in Galena, Ohio.  According to the web site, it's "a links-style course with water in play on several holes.  The signature par-3 third hole plays over a small pond to the green."

That not-so-little war fought back in 1776 suggests that this is a nomination worth seconding in the "dumbest course name" department.

Now we've got two Tom D's on the case... For both the reasons they posted, Royal American Links adds up to one dumb name. I respectfully submit a Pete Dye course in Maryland Rum Pointe Seaside Golf Links. You've got to admire an owner who can combine incongruity, pretentiousness and tautology when naming their course.
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paul cowley

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Re:My Next Big Trip
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2006, 06:24:57 AM »
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Kelly Blake Moran

Re:My Next Big Trip
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2006, 06:46:51 AM »
May 15, 2006

"Kevin Foster, former Connecticut Mid-Amateur champion, held off Al Falussy to register a 1-up victory and win the Walter J. Travis Invitational for the first time at the Garden City (N.Y.) Golf Club."

Sounded like an interesting trip, but the tournaments over!?!?

Pat,

I thought you were on the green committee at GCGC.  Were you not informed of his visit?