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rjsimper

All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« on: April 17, 2006, 08:30:38 PM »
Literally...

(Just got back from my first trip to Bandon and thought these worth posting as indicators of just how wacky things can get...)

18th Fairway - Dateline April 15th at 6pm


6:01PM


6:02PM (Yes, that's me and my bag after having dove under a tree - it was the size of marbles at it's biggest, but we had no idea how big it would get)


And then...
~7:15PM - barely an hour later
 

Voytek Wilczak

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2006, 08:42:12 PM »
Cool.

I think your last pic is beautiful.

How does hitting in hail impact the spin of the ball??? ;D

rjsimper

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2006, 08:44:28 PM »
I will tell you this, with my partner and I 1 down going into the 18th, and an awkward chip to the green covered in hail, my chip bounced about 10 different ways before settling to a stop 10 feet or so away.  I took plenty of time to brush all the hail out of my line (thank goodness nobody was behind us) - I missed it anyhow, but it's about as close to pinball as golf gets ;)

And thanks for the compliment on the pic of 4 - I'm partial to that one myself

Russell Lo

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2006, 08:54:09 PM »
Great Pics. How late were you able to play? could you get in at least part of a third round?

rjsimper

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2006, 08:57:00 PM »
I actually played 54 holes on Thursday....7:30 at Pacific, 1:30 at Bandon, and went back out to hack it around at 5:50 at Bandon, started playing unbelievably well, and stayed out to finish my round by 8:00.  That was just about the limit.  With a foursome going around, I'd say that still keeping a reasonable hour for lunch between rounds, 45 holes is an easy order.  I only finished a third 18 because 13 of the holes I played by myself.

Russell Lo

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2006, 09:02:58 PM »
Thanks ryan. Heading out in Mid may and should be able to get 54 easily. time to start stretching.

Craig Sweet

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2006, 09:48:42 PM »
Nice!

I was out mowing rough today...in between snow squalls...and the whacky golfers kept coming and coming....isn't spring time wonderful  ;D

Don Dinkmeyer

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2006, 11:02:19 PM »
Neat pics - including the last. Thanks for posting this report. Its one of the highlights of GCA...

Tom Jefferson

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2006, 11:07:49 PM »
GREAT PHOTOS!!
As a staffer at the Dunes, I can attest to the ONGOING end of winter here.........cold, bluster, hail, sun, shower, wind.....repeat!  Late winter, early spring...not sure!!  But it is always changing now, it seems, and when the sun appears it is glowing, as the last photo shows.  Just this morning (4/17) clear and cold, frosty windshields, then sun....chamber of commerce sunset.....by the forecast 80% chance of sun, yet most of the day was showers/rain.  Now at sunset clear again and glorious sunshine.  
Had the chance to play at Trails last evening, in sun following showers...........on and on it goes.

All this moisture leads to a summer with healthy streams and rivers, green meadows, lush growth, and the stunning beauty of the links here on the south coast.

Hope to see you here to share it with.

Tom
the pres

Jay Flemma

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2006, 01:41:32 AM »
Congratulations Ryan.  It really is a life changing experience isn't it?
Great pix also.  Thanks for sharing.

So what were your favorite holes?  I love 4, 6, 9, 13 and 17 at Pac at Pac, 3, 5, 9, 15 at Bandon Dunes.

I Gotta do the trails and sheep ranch next time!

Andrew Thomson

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2006, 07:27:11 AM »
when putting in a hail storm, would it be against the spirit simply to clear a path to the hole, almost like a gutter?

on a serious note.

Love that last pic.

Tom_Doak

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2006, 08:13:51 AM »
Ryan:

I just got back from Scotland this weekend (working on our new project at Archerfield) and the weather there was just about the same as Bandon -- changeable, as they call it.  40-mph winds, hail, and sunshine all in one day.  You wanted authentic; Bandon is authentic!

PThomas

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2006, 09:02:27 AM »
that one of you huddling by your bag is a classic, Ryan:  I wonder if some magazine would publish it

and that last one isn't bad either!
199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Brad Tufts

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2006, 01:52:35 PM »
My first of many comments on the Bandon experience....that is me trying to figure out how to get under my bag as the hailstones were getting bigger in pic #2.  The image flashed in my mind that they get as big as softballs sometimes, and my bag wouldn't protect me from that....

The 4 days we spent there were great.  Throw away the scorecard and play match play.  Also, who thought the rickshaw pull-carts would become the star of the week.  There is no reason to play without one regardless of your supposed manliness, to save your feet at least.  BD was definately the consensus easiest and most playable of the three, where PD was the best and fairest test.  We only got to play BT once b/c of the weather (the first lightning horn in a couple years?), and it seemed a brawny layout, especially on the approach shots.  It was hard to make these assertions after only one play, but after multiple rounds, it was clear that PD was the star.

My only criticism was that the holes at BD nearer the clubhouse have a barren (and very, very wide-open) look due to all the gorse removal of the last few years.  I do know that the stuff is very invasive and tries to take over the holes it does line, but a few bushes left here and there might have completed the look of the rest of the course.  I guess there were complaints it was too hard at one point, but the gorse doesn't come into to play too much on the holes where it still does grow.

Favorite holes:  BD: 3, 4, 10, 13, 16.  PD:  2, 5, 9-11, 16, 17  BT:  4, 5, 13, 17

As for #14 at BT, the jury's out...I made a 6, but it was the fault of my tee-shot not carrying the junk and ending up on the downslope of the hill (pop-up).  That green is very small and for the most part turtle-backed.  The only place it appeared a ball will hold is the back right, which is surrounded by the steepest fall-offs.  I would have liked another crack.

The best experience of the trip may have been the one-club 12 holes we played after the two rounds on saturday.  We played through sun, showers, 2 rainbows, and more hail, and I made 3 pars with a 6-iron (10 and 11 at PD, 9 at BD).  It made up for the no-refund $135 AM 7 holes that was stopped by the monsoon and the lightning.

I would love to be back in the summer sometime, but I think I need to jump a couple of tax brackets before trying that....
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Tim Pitner

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2006, 02:00:13 PM »

So what were your favorite holes?  I love 4, 6, 9, 13 and 17 at Pac at Pac, 3, 5, 9, 15 at Bandon Dunes.


Jay, I don't think I've ever seen #3 and #9 at Bandon Dunes listed among someone's favorites before.  While I think they're fine holes, I would probably rate them in the bottom half of the holes on BD.  I'm interested to hear why you like them in particular.


Brad Tufts

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2006, 03:00:17 PM »
I like #3 because it's the first hole on BD that hits you over the head with where you are.  The first two holes play away from the ocean, and their secrets slightly hidden.  The sandy waste area to carry, the pot bunkers in view, and the gorse and the ocean in the distance.  While the hole is not going to really challenge your mental and physical aptitude too much, it says "Welcome to Bandon."  

As for #9, the pot bunkers didn't appear reachable (from the blacks) for most golfers, thus making them inconsequential.  The hole seemed a simple 4.75 par to me. (during rd. 1 at BD, we were -3 as a group)
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So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Tim Pitner

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2006, 04:30:14 PM »
Brad, I like that aspect of #3 too.  It's a great view from the back tee and you definitely get a feel for the location there.  It's not an especially interesting hole, which is okay.  I don't think every hole should attempt to wow you.  As for #9, I've definitely played it when the pot bunkers are very much in play for even moderately long hitters.  It makes for a tough tee shot.  It seems like a relatively simple hole but I've never played it particularly well.  Apparently, your group had better luck.  

I would rate #4, #5, #7, #11, #12 and #14 as my favorite holes at Bandon Dunes.  I think it's an underrated course, contrary to the trend these days to dismiss BD as the beneficiary of early hype.  I have some regrets about only playing BD once in our upcoming trip this June.  

Tiger_Bernhardt

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2006, 05:06:16 PM »
I cannot wait to July and another visit to this great golf mecca in America. My fav PD all of them and especially 8. BD 1,4,5,8,10,11,12 and 14 being the best of all on the back with 5 being the best on the front to me.

Sean Leary

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2006, 05:59:34 PM »
Ryan and/or Brad,

Is the grow in complete on the hill behind 14 at BD yet?  That is one of my favorite holes at the resort, but when I was there last time in Jan, they had cleared off the mound and hydroseeded it so visually the hole wasn't as appealing.

rjsimper

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2006, 07:22:59 PM »
Ryan and/or Brad,

Is the grow in complete on the hill behind 14 at BD yet?  That is one of my favorite holes at the resort, but when I was there last time in Jan, they had cleared off the mound and hydroseeded it so visually the hole wasn't as appealing.

Sean - no, its not.  Its still packed sand with areas of patchy grass peeking through.  It's still fenced off (along with the right side of the 13th fairway) and I would say it's still weeks away from being playable again.  The caddies seemed to agree that the gorse removal took away a lot of the hole's character.  I'd agree with this, but the pro shop has a picto-history of the green-site showing that Kidd's original intent was to play into a green surrounded by grassy dunes, not gorse bushes.  The gorse simply took over as is the natural progression of events.  I thought this was interesting, and pretty neat of them to put the documented history and timeline of what happens - informative for those unfamiliar with gorse and how it's lifecycle works.

Due to the immaturity of the green-site, I'd say I was underwhelmed by 14...but once it grows in a bit more, I think it's got the potential.


rjsimper

Re:All Hail Pacific Dunes!
« Reply #20 on: April 18, 2006, 07:49:03 PM »
My thoughts (though I hadn't really intended this to be a "let's talk about the Bandon resort courses" thread since that's been done) are these:

Weather:  Quite honestly, I could not have asked for better.  Sure, the morning for our second round at trails was horrific.  Low 40s, 30mph wind with gusts stronger, Driving rain (as Forrest Gump would say...big 'ol fat rain) but with 1 day of crystal blue skies (our first day) and 2 other days of playable foggy/overcast and only losing 11 holes out of a scheduled 144 to rain, I can't complain.

One great thing for our experience was the variability of the wind - we played each course in opposite winds each time we played.  Believe me when I tell you, the courses are COMPLETELY different.  One day I hit 3w-LW into 4 from the tips at Pacific, and the next was Driver-3wood.  

Got some great shots and photo weather for the coastal courses too...which is great for a photo-geek like myself.

Bandon Dunes - I forget who told me this, or where I read it, but initially I liked this course the best.  Over the course of 4.5 rounds there and 3 at Pacific, my preference definitely switched to Pacific.  I think Bandon gets a bad rap, and suffers in comparison to Pacific, but I do think it is a brilliant course that is likely prettier than its more revered neighbor, and definitely a better site for a casual evening round of golf due to the more relaxed feeling one gains from the wider fairways and generally easier and less intimidating shots it presents.

My favorite holes were 4, 5, 15, 16, 17.  I liked 8/10/14 just fine, but I found it interesting that there were so many similar dogleg right around pot bunker holes heading toward the ocean - those three holes along with 3 present similar visuals, just as 9 and 13 mimic one another.  I had a particular affinity for 4 and 16.  Seems that not many others list 16 among their favorites, but I personally found it to be one of my favorite holes at the entire resort, with the only suggestion for improvement being that the lower fairway in no way entices me to play to it.  However, the choice I was presented with on the first day was whether to play to the upper fairway or go for the green.  I went for the green and put it in the rough pin-high between the green and the cliff, chipped up, and two-putted from 15 feet for par.

I love the "reveal" on 4.  Unlike Brad, I really felt that this was the place that said "welcome to Bandon Dunes", not the third tee.  The third tee showed you the scale of the course and gave you a view of the property, but the approach to 14 is the first shot where you're truly tempted to be distracted by the surrounds.

At PD, I wasn't a fan of 1 (partially because I butchered it every time but the last I played it) but the usual suspects I loved - 4, 10, 11, 13, 17.  Playing the 4th from the hidden lower tee was intense.

14 I thought was a great little par 3 with a LOT of bite to it.

BT I was partial to 4, 5, 17, and I actually liked 14.  I found that it was difficult for sure, but not impossible.  As Brad said, we only played it once, but my second shot from the lower left was nothing more than a difficult lob that I was 3 feet from executing properly.  Had I done that, par was mine.  I hit a very high ball, though, and suspect that for those that hit it low, the hole is possibly unfair.


I find myself torn between taking one of three approaches for my next pilgrimage to the Oregon Coast - go in the dead of winter, play cheap, but only 36 a day, and brave it, expecting the worst.

Go in shoulder season again for low season rates and roll the dice on weather.

Go in high season, plan on 54 a day, and pay through the nose.

Either way, I will be back, that's a promise.





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