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JESII

Re:too hilly
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2006, 11:14:28 AM »
Do you think he has ever been exposed to a player better or worse than himself?

I agree that his premise is flawed but I don't think it needs to relate to tour caliber players. I think any increased difficulty enhances the difference between any two players. It may be quite small with two fairly comparabel players and only a small difficulty factor but I believe it's still there. Would you?
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mike_beene

Re:too hilly
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2006, 07:04:39 PM »
I have been exposed enough to appreciate how much better tour players are than me.My exposure is maybe not on the level of some here,but I have played rounds and practiced with tour players,but none in the top 50.I was going to use Ben Curtis as an example of my point,but Orville Moody pretty much cancels that out.Is chipping a worthy skill?Doesn't high rough around the greens neutralize the good chippers advantage?
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:too hilly
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2006, 08:17:40 PM »
Mike Beene,

PGA Tour Players are exceptional at everything, and that includes chipping.

But, if you think chipping is a critical element in PGA Tour golf, you should be reminded of Lee Trevino's immortal words.

"Dogs that chase cars and pros that chip for pars aren't long for this world."
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mike_beene

Re:too hilly
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2006, 08:34:32 PM »
I think it was putt for pars.I unfortunately had a dog that verified the first part of the saying.I haven't looked lately,but aren't the tour guys hitting 13 or so greens a round?Also,I think the biggest difference between a low handicapper on a good day and a tour pro is lag putting.
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mike_beene

Re:too hilly
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2006, 09:06:24 PM »
Let me take one last stab at this and I'll shut up.A tour pro on a flat moderately difficult course will get a lot of looks at the pin with 8 iron or less.Add the rest of their game to it and its 62 on good day and 69 on a bad one.If I am having a good day I will hit 11 or 12 greens and at best shoot 73 or 74.I don't have a chance.Now,consider the hilly,tough course.The pros birdie looks on his bad day go down and his range of scores moves from 65 to75.Now,on my good day I may hit 9 greens and still get my 75,or I may shoot 86.I wouldn't bet on my rusty game,but my odds are better.In scenerio one I have no chance,which is tough for an unrealistic person like me to admit.
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