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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« on: November 17, 2005, 10:07:22 AM »
Tom  On an earlier thread....Tennis vs Technology, I believe that
you have hit on something  that I have thought about for a long time.
The TV companies are missing out by not showing exactly what you are talking about...to me the most compelling golf viewing{majors apart} are those short features on the range...with the likes of Faldo and Azinger in the box, they could really make a tremendous presentation of "range activities"

How much fun would it be to see Tiger really warming up, or to be have been able to witness that "great" warm up he had prior to the last round of the British...conversely, it would be great to see the guy who hits everything perfectly on the range prior to the last round,  then  struggle as he gets under the gun

Bob_Huntley

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2005, 10:38:48 AM »
activities"

conversely, it would be great to see the guy who hits everything perfectly on the range prior to the last round,  then  struggle as he gets under the gun

Michael,

I wish you would not talk about me like that.

Bob

PThomas

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2005, 10:57:16 AM »
you think they'd try ANYTHING to liven things up, instead of dopey music and bad announcers

I used to think Bob Drum's pieces on CBS were great

I read the LPGA is gonna have a tournament where the final round will have only 8 players and low scorer in that round gets $1 million!

199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

TEPaul

Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2005, 12:20:47 PM »
Michael:

I actually wasn't kidding. I think it would be pretty neat if they showed tour pros practicing more often. I realize that sounds sort of foreboding for what I might think of the interest of watching the rounds of today's tournaments but I don't mean it that way---I really do think it could be fascinating to watch some of those guys practice.

I've never watched them do that much but from the few times I have and times others have told me about watching them I think it would be neat. I'll give you a few interesting examples.

1. I watched V.J practice at last year's Open and as they say about him he pretty much was out there alone. But it was fascinating to see all his little drills or whatever you call them. He basically hit every shot with a glove tucked under his left armpit and he had a shaft stuck in the ground which he would adjust for different clubs. It was scary how close it looked like it was to his plane and even scarier when he started really stepping on some drivers. All I could think of was that if he came just a tad outside coming down----SUPER OUCH!

2. Watching Daly hit little delicate chips and pitches off really tight turf with one arm in an exhibition at Inniscrone.

3. A friend of mine said watching Couples practice at the 1995 Open at Shinnecock was the best. Couples was hitting these beautiful 5 irons about 170 yards with a draw and then a fade with one arm. And then he switiched and did the same thing with just the other arm.

4. But the funniest practice thing I ever knew about was this guy from around here who was a great amateur and then he finally turned pro, didn't like it and apparently pretty much quit the game. But in his amateur days he used to laugh that whenever he'd warm up for a tournament he would hit it on the range like a 20 handicapper most all the time---fat, thin, right, left, pop it up, you name it. And then he'd go tee it up and he won a ton of stuff including the Delaware Open (as an amateur!). He was a hilarious guy anyway and he said he just didn't know what that was all about but it was that way a lot. He was always funny about most everything. I remember one time we were playing the Mason-Dixon Matches (GAP team vs Mid-Atlantic team) down at Williamsburg and he was so late he just got there in time to tee it up (no-practice). I asked him what happened and he said he was running late so he was seriously speeding through Maryland and he got nailed by a State Trooper. The trooper came to his window and asked him why he was going so fast. So he said to the Trooper;

"Do you want me to tell you some story about why I was going so fast that sounds good or do you want me to tell you the truth?"

The trooper told him he better tell him the truth, so he said to the trooper;

"Well, I had the accelerator pretty far down and that makes the engine go faster, and that makes the drive shaft turn faster which makes the differential move faster which turns the rear wheels faster which makes the car......."

He said luckily he managed to get serious enough after that to prevent the trooper from hauling him down to the police station which would've caused him to miss his tee time.
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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2005, 12:32:02 PM »
Tom
I know you were not kidding..me neither..I truly think it is great for the viewers.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2005, 12:35:33 PM »
The fact that most on this site would enjoy watching golfers warm up on television is NOT a measure of how interesting it is to watch golfers warm up on television.  It IS a measure of how deranged we really are as a group.

Now speak of this no more...
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2005, 12:36:40 PM »
In reference to your friend who did not pre  round practice too well...when I was playing college golf, Monty at Houston Baptist was in the same conference, so being two Brits playing in the same events, we became pretty close...
O n the range he was awful..skanking every shot..never hitting it solid, but just as you said would laugh about it and go out and win every event we ever played!

I find the range at tour events fascinating, and in fact I often do not leave the range at all..even at Augusta..what a great place to watch guys warm up that is.

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2005, 12:39:32 PM »
In reference to your friend who did not pre  round practice too well...when I was playing college golf, Monty at Houston Baptist was in the same conference, so being two Brits playing in the same events, we became pretty close...
O n the range he was awful..skanking every shot..never hitting it solid, but just as you said would laugh about it and go out and win every event we ever played!

I find the range at tour events fascinating, and in fact I often do not leave the range at all..even at Augusta..what a great place to watch guys warm up that is.

But on TV?
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2005, 12:44:20 PM »
AG
Maybe it is just sick golf nuts like myself and Tom..but..
YES..I would rather watch players on the range than 65% of every event covered spent watching putting routines!

A.G._Crockett

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2005, 01:42:11 PM »
AG
Maybe it is just sick golf nuts like myself and Tom..but..
YES..I would rather watch players on the range than 65% of every event covered spent watching putting routines!

We ALL would, but that is not a good thing for us to admit, even to each other! ;)
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Gene Greco

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2005, 02:06:22 PM »
Maybe The Golf Channel could televise practice rounds for various events.

Each player will usually hit, say, three or four chip shots from various points from around a green. The on- course announcer can simply ask, "What are you working on and can you please explain your technique?"

Rule would be TGC could only ask the same player to explain his technique for one shot per year so as not to take up too much of one player's time.

The tournaments do not only have to be limited to the PGA - LPGA and tournaments from around the world may also be utilized.

"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

henrye

Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2005, 02:07:53 PM »
Do you guys really think that on a 7 hour broadcast like the Open championship it would be a good thing to start with Tiger warming up for an hour, playing a 4 1/2 hour round and then watch him go back to the range after and hit some more?  If they start covering guys at the range, you'll have Tiger all the time and nothing else.  The only time a network doesn't cover Tiger is when he hasn't started the round or has already finished.  Actually, when he's not playing they usually show highlights of his last round.  I guess trading some range play of Tiger for highlights of Tiger's last round isn't that bad of an exchange? :P

JohnV

Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2005, 02:12:31 PM »
One of the best days I've spent at a tournament was walking the TPC at Sawgrass watching Seve, Sandy Lyle and one other player play a practice round.  Watching Seve hit all the shots around the green was worth more than any price I paid.

Some of this has been conveyed in the Golf Channel's Lessons from the Pros series, but it really isn't the same as they aren't as serious about it.

TEPaul

Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2005, 02:59:32 PM »
"AG
Maybe it is just sick golf nuts like myself and Tom..but.."

Michael:

It's OK if you call me a sick golf nut but if you want to be accurate that needs to be qualified. I just love golf architecture and everything about it at this point in my life but I've recently come to completely hate golf itself. Maybe hate is the wrong word---I just have almost no interest at all in playing it anymore. I can't imagine why that happened to me other than the fact that as I slowed down and sort of stopped playing as much as I did which was basically only tournaments I got worse fast and I don't enjoy going out there and hitting a bunch of shitty shots.

Maybe this is not that unusual. I may've mentioned this on here, I can't remember, even if it was only about a month ago ;) but I ran into Billy Joe Patton's brother and after a while I asked him how Billy Joe was doing and he said OK but he completely quit golf. I said I was sorry to hear that and asked if there was something wrong with him. His brother said there wasn't anything wrong with him he just said he'd played enough golf in his life and didn't feel like doing it anymore.

Go figure.

Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2005, 03:34:06 PM »
I apologise Tom..I did not realise you were a sufferer if the golfing blues...but as a fellow competitor I can fully understand where you are coming from.

I have often said that when my time comes to hang up the competitive spikes, I will probably feel the same way...I think that is why I continue to expose myself to the mental anguish and rigours of competition so that I do not quit ;)

paul cowley

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Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2005, 08:00:17 AM »
Tom ....I had no idea we have that in common because I too have slowed my golf the last few years....as my work and other loads increased I found myself playing only six or so times a year....breaking par was no longer the challenge and breaking 80 became the new bar [hell, 90 might be the new bar as of late]....I would be increasingly content with just a good shot on its own or get lost in design scenarios as I'm sure you can appreciate.

...but there is some light at the end.
I started abiout two years ago playing with some old ,old replica clubs ....5 total, all spoons, even the putter.
I promptly broke 2 of them and am left with the putter that I use up to 100 yds, a baffing spoon[?], kinda like an 8 or so and a midspoon that I can crank out to 190+[or it can also go nowheres as foregiveness was not a quality of these play clubs.....the ground game is a must and traps truely are [at least a stroke] and to be avoided at all costs...I do use modern balls most of the time because my gutty really goes nowhere [maybe 130] and I usually play from the forward tees or whatever tee I deem length appropriate.

... this summer I even broke 40 for the first time on a course I designed playing with my 80 year old dad and my three clubs.
It felt good........maybe we could arrange a game sometime :).
paul cowley...golf course architect/asgca

TEPaul

Re:Tom Paul.. RE...Compelling TV Viewing
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2005, 08:54:04 AM »
Michael:

Please do not feel the need to apologize. I definitely don't have "golfing blues'. Frankly I'm delighted to be done with it even if I loved every minute of it. I just might launch into a philosophical exploration of all this on a thread one of these days because I find it simply fascinating what-all one can do with golf but more interestingly what golf can do for various people for various reasons if you let it do.

Paul;

That kind of game would be interesting. I'll get three clubs but you should get Davis to join us but we will not just assign him three clubs but also how he must use them. Somewhere long ago I read his teaching genius father when Davis was young got him to hit various clubs well but as short as possible---an interesting drill for a guy who turned out to be so long. This was intended to develop good balance and tempo. So Davis can have a driver, 7-iron and putter but he must use the 7-iron on the tee and the driver to approach as well as to pitch and chip and recover. He's one of the premier players in the world but let's see him get out of a deep bunker with his driver. ;)

This kind of thing is what Max Behr called reducing your implements down to that point where they merely sustain your skill.  ;)
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