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Martin Del Vecchio

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A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« on: November 08, 2005, 04:14:10 PM »
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/11/08/braintree_opens_golf_course_to_hunting_for_pesky_canada_geese/.

Braintree opens golf course to hunting for pesky Canada geese

November 8, 2005

BRAINTREE, Mass. --A foul situation at the Braintree Municipal Golf Course has prompted city officials to temporarily open the grounds to hunting for geese.

Beginning next month, licensed hunters will be allowed to shoot and bag Canada geese, which have overrun the course and become a nuisance.

The course has an abundance of clipped grass, which geese consider a delicacy, wooded areas for egg-hatching and plenty of water.

But the geese have been using the well-manicured grounds as a bathroom, threatening public health and drinking water.

"It's a huge problem," Braintree Parks Superintendent William Hedlund told The Patriot Ledger of Quincy.

A border collie owned by golf course manager Daryn Brown has been patrolling the grounds and chasing away the birds, but they continue to return.

Braintree officials authorized a special hunting season between Dec. 16 to Jan. 7 and Jan. 15 to Feb. 16 for hunting the geese at the golf course. Hunting will be restricted to daylight hours and to areas away from houses. Hunters must be licensed, approved by the Braintree Police Department and follow state hunting guidelines.

Previous hunts at the golf course have yielded as few as a dozen geese and as many as 125.

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For the last few years, my club has hired a local man with a pair of border collies.  They chase them away quite effectively, and it's very entertaining to watch.


Tyler Kearns

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Re:A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2005, 09:15:59 PM »
Martin,

My home club bought a dog last year, and while on site, she does a very good job at keeping the geese off the grounds. However, at night, when she goes home with the superintendent, the geese get comfortable and literally sh*t all over the place. While I love animals, even geese, they push me over the edge during the fall when they begin to migrate - I still don't like the idea of killing them ???. I would however, like to drop the Canadian moniker from their name, I don't want to be associated with them!!

TK

Bill Gayne

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Re:A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2005, 09:44:29 PM »
Break the eggs in the spring when the hens nest. They are mean birds so be prepared for some hissing and agressive behavior to protect the nests. If you don't want to or can't kill the birds after they are born than it will help to eliminate the eggs.


Michael Hayes

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Re:A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2005, 08:35:13 AM »
I own two Austrailian Shepards (Divot & Poa), and have used them daily every fall on my golf course.  The membership loves them, or at least loves them more than goose shit :P.
Bandonistas Unite!!!

Martin Del Vecchio

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Re:A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2005, 02:51:48 PM »
I would however, like to drop the Canadian moniker from their name, I don't want to be associated with them!!

Technically, they are called "Canada Geese", and not "Canadian Geese."  I'm not sure if that makes you fell better, but as always, it makes me feel better to be the guy who gets to correct everyone on things that don't matter.

And I read an article a few years ago that said Canada Geese are not flying South for the winter like they used to.  There is just too much food and shelter around for them to bother any more.

Lou_Duran

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Re:A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2005, 03:27:03 PM »
Martin,

It must be one of the felicitous effects of global warning.  But if they are not coming south, what am I to think about the multitudes we see down here in Texas at least part of the year?  Surely they are not like all the Yankees who seem to come down and never leave!

BTW, I've been scared of geese since childhood.  They have razor sharp serrated edges inside their beak (are they teeth?) and I am told that they can tear-off several inches of skin with a single bite or peck.  No destroying nests for me.  A 12 guage semi-automatic with goose load works just fine from 10'.

BTW, is a goose plucked or skinned?  Is it best fricasseed or marianated in a nice orange sauce and roasted while being brushed to maintain its moistness?
 

Bill_McBride

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Re:A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2005, 03:38:38 PM »
Michael Hayes, I have an Aussie too ("Willie") and I know he would absolutely LOVE to chase geese off a golf course!   :D

Too bad we don't have a goose problem!

RJ_Daley

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Re:A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2005, 03:42:01 PM »
I noted our healthy fox population seems to leave a few scraps on the fairways every day or so, and it seems the more foxes, the less geese.  I think hawks have a bit of a go at them too.  Whatever, we seem to be seeing less geese in the last two years.  

No wild foul dinners for me.  Bird Flu phobia... :-\
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Bill Gayne

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Re:A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2005, 04:18:23 PM »
The crippled Canada goose is the only bird that I'm aware of in the field that will attack the dog on a retreive.

Steve Lapper

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Re:A New Approach to the Canada Geese Problem
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2005, 05:28:33 PM »
Here's a great Natural Idea...one I would use at my new course:

From Sunday's NYT.

The Shy, Egg-Stealing Neighbor You Didn't Know You Had
By LAWRENCE DOWNES
The suburbs, pretty as they may be, are nobody's idea of nature in balance. Sure, they are lush, green places where people and their vehicles get along with flowers, vegetables, songbirds and the littler mammals. But this harmony is enforced with an iron fist. It takes lots of chemicals, artificial irrigation and gas-powered trimming and mowing to keep such an arbitrary ecosystem under control.

Leave it to nature to mount an insurgency against the tranquillity of the grass-and-pavement grid. Canada geese and white-tail deer are the most brazen intruders, multiplying beyond all reason and refusing to be subdued. The best-equipped predators, people, sidestepped the job, finding it distasteful. Instead they adjust their garden netting, check for ticks and brood about the tendency of their fallen Eden to keep collapsing into chaos.

But what if that didn't always happen? What if Mother Nature decided not to run amok but to tidy up?

Just such an amazing circumstance appears to be happening on the outskirts of Chicago. Research biologists there announced last month that they had stumbled across a possible answer to the problem of the proliferating suburban goose: the proliferating suburban coyote.

The researchers belong to the Cook County Coyote Project, which has spent nearly six years studying the habits of more than 200 coyotes in the northern and western Chicago suburbs. Among other things, they tried to determine what the growing numbers of these beasts might have had to do with another puzzling development: the sudden end of the goose explosion. The local population of Canada geese had soared in the 1980's and 90's, but by 2000 the increase had slowed to about only 1 percent a year. An unknown predator was assumed to be the reason.

The coyote was not an obvious suspect, being small and skulky and unlikely to stand up to a wrathful Canada goose. Examinations of coyote scat had seldom found damning traces of eggshell. But then infrared cameras exposed the coyote as a nest robber, one that carefully cracks open a goose egg and licks it clean.

Evidence like this bolsters the conclusion that coyotes, in their own wily way, have become keystone predators in a land long emptied of wolves and mountain lions. The Cook County project's principal investigator, Prof. Stanley Gehrt of Ohio State University, speaks admiringly of his subjects, who have withstood more than 200 years of hunting, trapping and poisoning and are more entrenched in North America than ever. Every state but Hawaii has them. They have spread into suburbs and cities, forcing biologists to revise their definition of coyote habitat to this: Basically anywhere.

Here is what is really strange: Humans have barely noticed. Egg-rustling, night-howling varmints are raising litters in storm drains, golf courses, parks and cemeteries. They are sometimes heard but seldom seen. In cities, they keep to themselves and work nights. There are coyotes, Professor Gehrt says, living in the Chicago Loop.

You could call that sneaky. Or you could call it discreet. Professor Gehrt said that one surprising discovery of the study was how little danger the coyote poses to his unwitting human neighbors. "The risk is quite low, as long as we don't monkey with their behavior," he said. If you assert yourself when you see one - by yelling, cursing and throwing sticks - it will respect your space and lie low. The coyote's tendency to avoid people - and more important, raccoons - has made rabies a nonissue, Professor Gehrt said, with only one case of coyote-to-human transmission ever recorded.

Coyotes will behave, he said, as long as people do not feed them. Leave nothing tasty outside in an open trash can or food dish, and definitely nothing small and fluffy at the end of a leash. Professor Gehrt says with confidence that the sensible suburban toddler has little to fear from the suburban coyote, but he will not say the same for the suburban Shih Tzu.

The Cook County Coyote Project is the largest and most comprehensive of its kind, but it is just one study. It is probably not the time to call for coyote subsidies and captive-breeding programs for goose-plagued subdivisions. But any effort to learn more about these creatures - like a four-year coyote study being done in Westchester County by New York State and Cornell University - is highly welcome. It is intriguing to consider the possibility that such a shunned, maligned animal may be a misunderstood hero. The suburbs could use well-mannered, responsible predators, and house cats are clearly not up to the job.


Sounds right to me!!


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