Halfway Houses

[Patrick_Mucci]

Based on the "Pat Mucci Posting Theorem"  that I developed some time back -"The quality of a Pat Mucci post is inversely proportional to the number of question marks it contains"- I think it would be fair to say that was not one of your better posts.

On numerous posts I've asked you legitimate questions.
You've ducked answering every one.
Either you don't know the answer or the answer counters your position.   The David Elvins posting theorem is to not contribute honest answers.[/color]

Most of the questions are a bit irrelevant to me as I live in Austraila, not eastern USA.  One of the things that is dissapointing about this site for me is the constant referal to courses in NE America.  It is always exciting when a more general topic such as this one comes up on the board that i can have a crack at jumping into.  Therefor it is extremely dissapointing that you so often seem unable to discuss a general topic such as this one without trying to mold it into a thread that references the 30 or so exclusive clubs that you play in your corner of the world.

Let me see if I understand your position.
You feel that discussions only have merit if they revolve around Australia or courses I've never played.

If you had any degree of reading comprehension skills you would have seen that I've posted on golf course throughout the United States and the UK.  I won't critique golf courses that I haven't played AND, I can only vouch for my opinion on golf courses that I've personally experienced.  To your dismay, I won't discuss golf courses in Australia because I've never played any.[/color]  

I think that it is great that Garden City has no half way house.  When you play 18 holes in 3 hours there seems no need for a half way house, so that is perfect for the course.  

Although the fact that it takes 3 hours to play a round of golf is more a function of the exclusive small male membership than the lack of a half way house.

Oh Really.
Since you're the expert on GCGC, tell me, how many members do they have ?
Are you saying that women are prohibited from playing GCGC ?
Are you aware of the history, the tradition of fast play at GCGC ?

Don't be evasive and duck the issue again, try to answer these three questions.[/color]  

Personally I am more inclusionary, the more people playing golf, the better ,whether they are white, black, male or female.  

Not being familiar with clubs in Australia, what's the average percentage of black members at the premier clubs in Australia ?[/color]

Some other clubs think the same way.  These Clubs often have full time sheets, meaning 4-4.5 hour rounds are often the norm, and a half way snack a convenience.  
What does a full time sheet have to do with the pace of play ?

If tee times are 8 or 9 or 10 minutes apart, what prevents golfers from playing in 3 hours, 3.5 hours or 4 hours, finishing, 8, 9 and 10 minutes apart.

And, what do you know about the level of activity at GCGC ?[/color]

These clubs often have female members who are not as likely to urinate on a tree as a man, meaning on-course ameneties are required.  

So that we don't get bogged down in NE America at 30 exclusive clubs, could you elaborate on the halfway house at TOC ?

You know, the golf course with women, men, black, asians, europeans, Australians and Americans.

While your'e at it, could you point out the trees on TOC ?

Or have they been pissed into oblivion ?[/color]

So when you say that all clubs should aspire to have a half way house like Garden City, I find it very hard to see how this could be achieved without every club aspiring to have the membership structure of Garden City, a structure that, believe me, not many clubs would aspire to!

How familiar are you with the membership structure at GCGC ?

Do you know anything about the structure of the membership at GCGC ?

If so, please enlighten me.[/color]

I am not sure whether your questions about clubhouses and half way houses were serious or not.  But I would have thought the answers were fairly logical.  In my experience, when the course designer has input into the clubhouse design, there is a greater chance that the clubhouse will fit in aesthetically with the course (sorry but specific examples wouldn't mean much to you).  The same goes for halfway houses.  

Could you cite five golf course architects that have input into the design of the clubhouse ?

Nicklaus ?
Fazio ?
Jones's ?
C&C ?
Doak ?
Dye ?

And, could you cite five examples of where they had influence over the design of the clubhouse ?

Lastly, could they be sued for malpractice with respect to clubhouse design ?[/color]

This thread started with Michael asking a question about how to construct half way house that didn't look over the top on an old traditional course.  I suggested that he consider constructing the half way hut in the similar style to the clubhouse.  This was based on research I conducted of various half way huts recently when helping to put together a design brief for the half way hut on a renovation project.  I hope he takes the suggestion on board, along with your advice that all clubs should fall into line with your club, a club that is an outlier and an anomoly in the golfing world.
Again, what do you know about GCGC ?
Be specific and take as much time as you'd like.

If a club makes the decision to put a halfway house on the golf course, it must provide the intended needs.

Let's see, you want restrooms, kitchen facilities, dinning areas, probably patio's, service areas for caddies and staff, so you're recommending a very large structure.

If the clubhouse is built with fieldstone or brick, well then, according to you, so must the half way house.

I'm sure the structure you recommend will fit in, without intruding in any way on the golf course or the vistas.
[/color]

Are you that stupid that you didn't get the jist of my original post ?

That's allright, don't bother to respond, you won't answer questions, and I already know the answer.[/color]

[David_Elvins]

Pat,

It is quite amusing trying to have a sensible discussion with you in two posts simultaneously.  Your posts have exactly the same structure in each thread, your last one being the one where you misquote me and distort my words.  So of course the next one is the one where you start lieing.  Although it is good to see you throw up a bit of a curve ball and throw in a personal insult at the end of the post.  You don't normally resort to that until atleast page 3 of a thread. And Bue Ink too.  Didn't see that one coming.  



Let me see if I understand your position.
You feel that discussions only have merit if they revolve around Australia or courses I've never played.  

Of all the times I have seen you distort someone's words on this site, that has to be one of the best (or is it worst).  I quite clearly stated that I enjoy posts that are of a general nature.  At no time did I suggest that a post needs to be about Australia to have any merit.  I am really not suprised that you cant have a discussion without resorting to misquoting and putting words in someone's mouth, but I am still disapointed.


Since you're the expert on GCGC, tell me, how many members do they have ?
Are you saying that women are prohibited from playing GCGC ?
Are you aware of the history, the tradition of fast play at GCGC ?
And, what do you know about the level of activity at GCGC ?
How familiar are you with the membership structure at GCGC ?
Do you know anything about the structure of the membership at GCGC ?

THese are all questions that you know the answer to, Patrick.  Something youhave a habit of doing.  Why ask a question that you know the answer to?  WHat will you learn from that?  How about you answer them so as to educate anyone silly enough to read this thread.  It is a chance for you to post some FACTS  

Not being familiar with clubs in Australia, what's the average percentage of black members at the premier clubs in Australia ?

I don't know the answer but it doesn't matter because your premise is wrong.  At no stage have I defended the membership policies of any of Australia's premier clubs.  It is irrelevant to this thread.

Could you cite five golf course architects that have input into the design of the clubhouse ?

I said "in my experience".  This clearly means I am referring to jobs relating to the design company that I work for.  I do not know what other architects do.  That is why I wrote "in my experience."   Depending on the project the company has had input on everything from the clubhouse to tee markers to rubish bins to half way houses. I could be biased but I think that the projects that the golf course design team have been most involved in have been the ones that have a greater harmony over the whole site.

If a club makes the decision to put a halfway house on the golf course, it must provide the intended needs.


I'm sure the structure you recommend will fit in, without intruding in any way on the golf course or the vistas

Two very good points.  It is very important that the club knows exactly what they need it for and designs it accordingly.  The key is to make sure the structure doesn't intrude on the golfing vistas.  it seems the difference we have is that you believe it cant be done, I believe it can, if done properly.

If the clubhouse is built with fieldstone or brick, well then, according to you, so must the half way house.
No, I didnt, I just suggested it as an idea that had worked well at several courses.

Apologies to Michael for trying to make a sensible sugestion and have the thread turn into this dribble.

[Jonathan Cummings]

Steve/Wayne - Actually PVGC's "halfway house" is mis-titled.  As I'm sure you know it is located between the 8th and 12th holes, not after 9.  Not many people know that it was once a gravity feed water tower used for irrigation - thus the strange (for a halfway house) shape.

jaycee

[TEPaul]

I always thought a "halfway" house was one of those places recoverying drug addicts or released criminals go to. There maybe some pretty neat ones in North Philly you could probably get for cheap or maybe even with a big gun.

[TEPaul]

"Steve/Wayne - Actually PVGC's "halfway house" is mis-titled.  As I'm sure you know it is located between the 8th and 12th holes, not after 9.  Not many people know that it was once a gravity feed water tower used for irrigation - thus the strange (for a halfway house) shape.

Jonathan:

You're wrong Kimmosabbi! Obviously you aren't aware that in one of Crump's original routing iterations #7 was #9 and basically what's #12 now was #10.

[TEPaul]

"Pat,
It is quite amusing trying to have a sensible discussion with you in two posts simultaneously."

David Elvins:

No shit. I can't read Pat's posts anymore. I think the guy is trying to launch himself into graphic design or something. Everything he posts has gotten to be boxes within boxes and it's all color-coded and crap. Forget about what he writes, I don't even know who said what and who it is who's talking to whom. Can you believe a guy like that says he's been serving on green committees for forty years? No wonder green committees have such a bad name.    

[Patrick_Mucci]

Since you're the expert on GCGC, tell me, how many members do they have ?
Are you saying that women are prohibited from playing GCGC ?
Are you aware of the history, the tradition of fast play at GCGC ?
And, what do you know about the level of activity at GCGC ?
How familiar are you with the membership structure at GCGC ?
Do you know anything about the structure of the membership at GCGC ?


THese are all questions that you know the answer to, Patrick.  Something youhave a habit of doing.  Why ask a question that you know the answer to?  WHat will you learn from that?  How about you answer them so as to educate anyone silly enough to read this thread.  It is a chance for you to post some FACTS  

You made the statements about Garden City.
I asked you specific questions based on your statements.
I know the answer to the questions,
the critical issue is, DO YOU ?
For if you don't, it exposes you as a fraud.
You can't make a claim, and then when asked to support or prove it, walk away, or attempt to divert the focus from your mis-statements.

You seem to have a problem with the concept of responsibility and accountability.

If you're going to make definitive statements, especially in a derogatory context, then you had better be prepared to substantiate them.  You made definitive statements regarding GCGC, now substantiate them, or, retract them and admit you made another mistake.[/color]

Not being familiar with clubs in Australia, what's the average percentage of black members at the premier clubs in Australia ?

I don't know the answer but it doesn't matter because your premise is wrong.  At no stage have I defended the membership policies of any of Australia's premier clubs.  It is irrelevant to this thread.

Then why did you chose to insert it regarding GCGC ?[/color]

Could you cite five golf course architects that have input into the design of the clubhouse ?

I said "in my experience".  This clearly means I am referring to jobs relating to the design company that I work for.  I do not know what other architects do.  That is why I wrote "in my experience."   Depending on the project the company has had input on everything from the clubhouse to tee markers to rubish bins to half way houses. I could be biased but I think that the projects that the golf course design team have been most involved in have been the ones that have a greater harmony over the whole site.

Then, in your experience, on what five projects, as a golf course architect, have you had influence over the architectural design of the clubhouse ?[/color]

[TEPaul]

"Then, in your experience, on what five projects, as a golf course architect, have you had influence over the architectural design of the clubhouse?"

Patrick:

Do you realize you're sounding more like Mrs Grundy everyday?

In hopes of diverting your monologue with David Elvins I'd like to ask you to give me the names of five architects who designed the course and had influence on the architecture of the clubhouse too. Oh never mind, you couldn't possibly get that many. Just name one architect then. And if you can't do that then name me one chap today who's both a golf architect and a building architect.  (Hint---he's on here ocassionally).

[Patrick_Mucci]

TEPaul,

I never stated that golf course architects have input and influence over the architecture of the club houses.

However, I do recall a conversation with and about an architect who prefered a low key approach to club houses and facilities.  You might have been present during that discussion, but, I think you were sleeping at the time.

[wsmorrison]

"Just name one architect then. And if you can't do that then name me one chap today who's both a golf architect and a building architect.  (Hint---he's on here ocassionally)."

Ooh!  I know!  I know!  Call on me, Tom!  See?  I've got my hand raised and everything  

[Brian_Ewen]

Two Favourites .
 
Carnoustie


Royal Hua Hin .

[Bob_Huntley]

David,

You wrote:

"THese are all questions that you know the answer to, Patrick.  Something youhave a habit of doing.  Why ask a question that you know the answer to?  WHat will you learn from that?  How about you answer them so as to educate anyone silly enough to read this thread.  It is a chance for you to post some FACTS."  

Get Patrick to tell the story of the rookie cop and and the DUI suspect and you will know exactly why he does it.

Bob

[David_Elvins]

Since you're the expert on GCGC, tell me, how many members do they have ?
Are you saying that women are prohibited from playing GCGC ?
Are you aware of the history, the tradition of fast play at GCGC ?
And, what do you know about the level of activity at GCGC ?
How familiar are you with the membership structure at GCGC ?
Do you know anything about the structure of the membership at GCGC ?


THese are all questions that you know the answer to, Patrick.  Something youhave a habit of doing.  Why ask a question that you know the answer to?  WHat will you learn from that?  How about you answer them so as to educate anyone silly enough to read this thread.  It is a chance for you to post some FACTS  

You made the statements about Garden City.
I asked you specific questions based on your statements.
I know the answer to the questions,
the critical issue is, DO YOU ?
For if you don't, it exposes you as a fraud.
You can't make a claim, and then when asked to support or prove it, walk away, or attempt to divert the focus from your mis-statements.

You seem to have a problem with the concept of responsibility and accountability.

If you're going to make definitive statements, especially in a derogatory context, then you had better be prepared to substantiate them.  You made definitive statements regarding GCGC, now substantiate them, or, retract them and admit you made another mistake.[/color]

Not being familiar with clubs in Australia, what's the average percentage of black members at the premier clubs in Australia ?

I don't know the answer but it doesn't matter because your premise is wrong.  At no stage have I defended the membership policies of any of Australia's premier clubs.  It is irrelevant to this thread.

Then why did you chose to insert it regarding GCGC ?[/color]

Could you cite five golf course architects that have input into the design of the clubhouse ?

I said "in my experience".  This clearly means I am referring to jobs relating to the design company that I work for.  I do not know what other architects do.  That is why I wrote "in my experience."   Depending on the project the company has had input on everything from the clubhouse to tee markers to rubish bins to half way houses. I could be biased but I think that the projects that the golf course design team have been most involved in have been the ones that have a greater harmony over the whole site.

Then, in your experience, on what five projects, as a golf course architect, have you had influence over the architectural design of the clubhouse ?[/color]

Pat,

Like I said before, your style of argument is really quite pathetic.  If I said something that is wrong then I am more than happy to be corrected by someone who knows more about a subject than me.  As yet, you have not corrected, qualified or expanded on any of the references I have made about Garden City.  You are more than welcome to do so, the ball is in your court.  As it stands, the questions you have asked me about Garden City have very little to do about the statements I have made about the membership structure being more conducive to fast play than at courses with different membership structures.

Perhaps your ranting is based on the fact that you took my statements about Garden City as derogatory.   If you took them as derogatory, then that is your problem, as they were not intended to be read that way by a person of sound mind.  Perhaps you are on the defensive because there is ill feeling in some sections of the broader community about the membership structure at Garden City and jumped in too quickly, without actually reading my post carefully enough to realise that it wasn't an attack on the membership structure, merely a statement that it is different to other clubs and partly responsible for the excellent pace of play.  I notice you chose to ignore the several outwardly positive comments I made about Garden City in my original post.  

Once again, you are more than welcome to point out the flaw in anything that I have said about Garden City but I will stand by my claim, as simple, logical and uncontroversial as it seems to every one else, that the excellent pace of play at Garden City is contributed to by the membership structure and that pace of play at other clubs that have dramatically more rounds played and significantly less skilled golfers will be slower.

I am happy to be proven wrong if you can, preferably without swearing, name calling, and aspertions about my honesty, integrity, accountability or sexual performance.  

[David_Elvins]

David,

You wrote:

"THese are all questions that you know the answer to, Patrick.  Something youhave a habit of doing.  Why ask a question that you know the answer to?  WHat will you learn from that?  How about you answer them so as to educate anyone silly enough to read this thread.  It is a chance for you to post some FACTS."  

Get Patrick to tell the story of the rookie cop and and the DUI suspect and you will know exactly why he does it.

Bob

Please tell me, Patrick.

[Michael_Stachowicz]

Thanks everyone for the pictures, they are helpful.  Not that anyone would want to copy someone else's house, but to illustrate "understated character".  However, I feel understated character mostly happens by accident and cannot be planned...

[TEPaul]

"Get Patrick to tell the story of the rookie cop and and the DUI suspect and you will know exactly why he does it.
Bob"

Bob:

You have a good memory but that story of Pat's is crap too. Patrick actually does understand the truth is in New Jersey you cannot be a judge unless;

1/ You have an IQ under 75
2/ You have pockets the size of bushel baskets

[TEPaul]

Bob:

Did you know Patrick lives within less than one quarter mile from Tony Soprano??

And that's a FACT!

The ducks that occasionally swin in Tony Soprano's swimming pool that so completely fascinate him actually belong to Patrick.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Although the fact that it takes 3 hours to play a round of golf is more a function of the exclusive small male membership than the lack of a half way house.

This is the statement you made about GCGC.
Let's see you back it up with some facts.

What's the size of the membership at GCGC ?
What's the average size of memberships in the Metro area ?
What's exclusive about the membership at GCGC ?
Is GCGC any more or less exclusive than the other private clubs in the Metro area ?
[/color]  

Personally I am more inclusionary, the more people playing golf, the better ,whether they are white, black, male or female.  

Why do you state that blacks and women can't play golf at GCGC ?[/color]

Some other clubs think the same way.  These Clubs often have full time sheets, meaning 4-4.5 hour rounds are often the norm, and a half way snack a convenience.  
Why do you state that GCGC doesn't have full time start sheets ?[/color]

These clubs often have female members who are not as likely to urinate on a tree as a man, meaning on-course ameneties are required.  

What percentage of clubs in the Metro NY area have female members ?[/color]

So when you say that all clubs should aspire to have a half way house like Garden City, I find it very hard to see how this could be achieved without every club aspiring to have the membership structure of Garden City, a structure that, believe me, not many clubs would aspire to!

That's because you don't know what you're talking about.

A half way house SLOWS up play, and the more elaborate the facility, the more play is slowed up.

You just don't get it, but that doesn't surprise me.
My original post was a statement against building halfway houses, some of which have lounges and TV's in them.
You chose to divert the thread to gender and racial issues without knowing what you were talking about.  

And, you refused to answer the questions I posed because they would expose the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, that you can't support with facts, the inflamatory statements you made.[/color]

I hope he takes the suggestion on board, along with your advice that all clubs should fall into line with your club, a club that is an outlier and an anomoly in the golfing world.
In what specific ways is GCGC an outlier and anomoly in the golfing world ?

The above questions directly address statements you made.

Let's see if you know what you're talking about, or if your just a blowhard fraud.[/color]

[Patrick_Mucci]

Bob Huntley,

That story is best left untold for the moment.

But, I'm glad you remembered it.

TEPaul,

When the economy took a hit in the Philadelphia area, I understand that it was a bad time for your judges.  
I understand that the Mafia layed off 275 of them  

[Bob_Huntley]

Patrick,

I received an e-mail from one of our correspondents who couldn't wait to hear it. I painstakingly wrote it out and even without your timing and cadence, laughed out loud in so doing.

Bob

[David_Elvins]

Although the fact that it takes 3 hours to play a round of golf is more a function of the exclusive small male membership than the lack of a half way house.

This is the statement you made about GCGC.
Let's see you back it up with some facts.

What's the size of the membership at GCGC ?
What's the average size of memberships in the Metro area ?
What's exclusive about the membership at GCGC ?
Is GCGC any more or less exclusive than the other private clubs in the Metro area ?
[/color]  

Personally I am more inclusionary, the more people playing golf, the better ,whether they are white, black, male or female.  

Why do you state that blacks and women can't play golf at GCGC ?[/color]

Some other clubs think the same way.  These Clubs often have full time sheets, meaning 4-4.5 hour rounds are often the norm, and a half way snack a convenience.  
Why do you state that GCGC doesn't have full time start sheets ?[/color]

These clubs often have female members who are not as likely to urinate on a tree as a man, meaning on-course ameneties are required.  

What percentage of clubs in the Metro NY area have female members ?[/color]

So when you say that all clubs should aspire to have a half way house like Garden City, I find it very hard to see how this could be achieved without every club aspiring to have the membership structure of Garden City, a structure that, believe me, not many clubs would aspire to!

That's because you don't know what you're talking about.

A half way house SLOWS up play, and the more elaborate the facility, the more play is slowed up.

You just don't get it, but that doesn't surprise me.
My original post was a statement against building halfway houses, some of which have lounges and TV's in them.
You chose to divert the thread to gender and racial issues without knowing what you were talking about.  

And, you refused to answer the questions I posed because they would expose the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, that you can't support with facts, the inflamatory statements you made.[/color]

I hope he takes the suggestion on board, along with your advice that all clubs should fall into line with your club, a club that is an outlier and an anomoly in the golfing world.
In what specific ways is GCGC an outlier and anomoly in the golfing world ?

The above questions directly address statements you made.

Let's see if you know what you're talking about, or if your just a blowhard fraud.[/color]

Guess what Patrick,  I am going to answer your questions.  First of all, remember it was you who said that all golf clubs should aspire to be like Garden City.  Whilst on the other hand i have pointed out that there is room for all types of golf clubs and courses in the world.  Please remember that I have nothing against Garden City or its members.  For a serious golfer like you it must be a fantastic place to play.  The only problem I have is with your narrow minded view that all Golf Clubs should aspire to be like Garden City.  

So here we go with the questions.  You will find that there is adequate information in each answer to back up my claim, (as simple and logical, and without need for explanation as it is to everyone else) that not all clubs in the world are able to, or want to, have a policy promoting 3 hour pace of play.  

What's the size of the membership at GCGC ?
What's the average size of memberships in the Metro area ?
What's exclusive about the membership at GCGC ?
Is GCGC any more or less exclusive than the other private clubs in the Metro area ?
My answers:
The size of membership at Garden City is less than some other clubs. This is a FACT Try arguing that it is not.
The membership at Garden City is more exclusive than some other clubs in the world. This is a FACT[/b] Try arguing that it is not
Comparisons with other NY Metro clubs are irrelevant.  You were the one that stated that ALL clubs should aspire to be like Garden City.  Maybe this is your problem.  You do not actually realise that there are golf clubs outside of the New Yark Metro area.  When you say ALL clubs I can only take you on your word that you mean ALL clubs in the world, not just ALL clubs in the NY Metro area.



Why do you state that blacks and women can't play golf at GCGC ?[/color]
I don't, read my post more carefully.  

]
Why do you state that GCGC doesn't have full time start sheets ?[/b]
I don't.  I state that there are some clubs in the world that have fuller time sheets than Garden City.  This is a FACT[/b] Try disputing it.



What percentage of clubs in the Metro NY area have female members ?[/color]
Again, irrelevant.  NY Metro golf courses make up less than 0.001% of the world's golf courses.  You said that ALL golf courses should aspire to be like Garden City.  Once again, I remind you, there are golf courses in the world outside NY.

]
In what specific ways is GCGC an outlier and anomoly in the golfing world ?
[/b]
Well for starters, the standard of golfer is remarkably higher than most clubs.  I can give you more if you want, but this is the most relevant to the discussion.

[David_Elvins]

That's because you don't know what you're talking about.
No, you just have trouble accepting people that have different views to your own, and over-react, turing the discussion into a personal attack.  It is an ugly approach to a discussion board that impedes thoughtful discussion and discourages many intelligent thoughtful people form posting their ideas.

A half way house SLOWS up play, and the more elaborate the facility, the more play is slowed up. No shit sherlock.  Who are you, Albert Einstein?  That is the only logical thing you have said in this entire post.  Unfortunatly, like much of what you write, it is so utterly basic in logic, premise and concept that it is redundant to the discussion.  Are you able to understand the ever so slightly more complicated logic in the inverse position that the longer a round of golf takes to be played, the greater the need to provide ammenities on the course?

My original post was a statement against building halfway houses, some of which have lounges and TV's in them.
You chose to divert the thread to gender and racial issues without knowing what you were talking about.  

I can't think of anything worse than a half way house with a lounge and TV in it.  That is not something that I would like.  My favorite two halfway houses do nothing but provide storm shelter at the far end of the course.
But the way you extrapolate your dislike of this lounge facility into a statement that NO COURSE IN THE WORLD should have ANY SORT of half way house, is ridiculous.  And I think you know it is ridiculous, which is why YOU tried to divert the argument into one about Garden City, rather than withdraw your original statement.  Dont forget, it was YOU who diverted the argument into one about race and gender, not me.

And, you refused to answer the questions I posed because they would expose the fact that you don't know what you're talking about, that you can't support with facts, the inflamatory statements you made.

Inflamatory statements?  What are you talking about?  If I made any inflamatory statements can you please point them out to me. I have no intention of making any inflamatory statements on this board.  This board should be about the sharing of ideas between people with a common interest, not inflaming people as some sort of ego-boosting sport.   It is a pity that you take any point of view that differs from yours as an "Inflamatory statement" whilst getting your jollies out of being rude to people, questioning their integrity and swearing at them.  If you consider that a worthwhile contribution to this board, then I consider that unfortunate.

[Jeff Fortson]

Nothing like a thread about shitters.  

It really is so vital to the subject of GCA.  This is a friendly thread, as well.  I can't believe that a thread about toilets and snack bars turned political and racial.  I thought we weren't supposed to be discussing those topics as they don't add to the greater good of the DG?

Guess I'm wrong again!


Jeff F.

[David_Elvins]

By the way patrick, you have still not proved wrong, any of my comments about half way houses, pace of play, or their relationship to the relatively unique membership of Garden City Golf Club.  
 
You are more than welcome to.  In fact please do, I come here to learn.  

But the longer you go on with your inane off topic claims about my integrity, honesty, and character, the longer you go on feigning that my posts have been insulting and derogatory, and, the longer you refuse to provide a counter argument to anything that I have said, the more apparent it becomes that you cannot handle someone disagreeing with you, even over a tirvial matter such as your claim that NONE of the Worlds Golf Courses should have a half way house.

You might be able to scare[/b] some people off this board, Mr Mucci, with your agressive tactics, but I will be damned if I am going to just sit back here and let you trash a golf club's right to have a half way house.  To the day I die I will fight for the right of the half way house.  They may be small, but they will never be defeated by intolerant, narrow minded halfway house haters.