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Greg Beaulieu

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Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« on: June 04, 2005, 09:04:41 PM »
On Tuesday I had the opportunity to play for the first time this season (we have been drenched during the month of May here) and the occasion was a corporate outing at the Graham Cooke-designed Glen Arbour, just outside of Halifax. It is part of a ritzy golf course community and now that I've visited a few times, I thought I'd offer my views. If others here have visited I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts.

Certainly I have to start by saying that they treat you very well and the way they run the club is above reproach. The same can be said for course conditioning. The day I was there was the first day they had been open in nearly 2 1/2 weeks and while it was a little soggy in spots and the greens were not quick, I would have been shocked if it had been anything but that way. They are babying the course in prep for the LPGA's 2005 BMO Women's Open coming in July so I'm not surprised it was in fine shape.

Cooke was given a hilly piece of property to work with that encompassed several lakes and creeks. He certainly has produced a good-looking, scenic course. The people in my group were all from Toronto and at one point they began talking about what courses there would match this just in terms of good looks. They came up with a very short list, although as to its validity, I have no idea.

I am not qualified to offer an opinion on his architecture other to note which holes and features I did and did not care for. I find the opening hole difficult, which is not something I would expect for such a hole. Some of the uphills around the course are quite extreme, which would make walking a challenge. But walking (if you can handle it) may be the preferred option to riding a cart (as we were doing) because they enforce a strict cartpath rule and the location of the paths means you have very long walks to your ball if it's on the wrong side of the fairway (or worse). A 90-degree rule would make this course much more playable out of a cart because the paths often don't seem to be in very good places.

There were a few holes I didn't like - #7, a typical par 3 guarded by water all around a la Pete Dye; #8, a sharp dogleg left short par 4; and #10, similar in some ways but a dogleg right. A number of holes have forced carries off the tee over water hazards or environmentally sensitive areas, while #6 (a par 5) has a creek at the bottom of a hill about 160 yards from the green, which to a player like me means you need a very good tee shot to ensure you can carry the creek on your second - not my favorite design feature.

There are a number of holes that I did like because they were all right in front of you to see from tee to green, something I enjoy. Hole 14 (I think; please correct me if I'm wrong, someone) is a par 5 that has one of the lakes along its left side, and has a green that is elevated on the edge of the lake with a large bunker running down from the green on its left to the lake, perhaps 15-20 feet below the green surface. A heroic shot to the green if you are going for a left pin placement, but incredibly attractive. Number 18 is another very attractive par 5, downhill with the lake on your right starting about halfway along. Just a very pretty hole, especially at the green.  

It is not my favorite course. Right now I need to play out of a cart beause of physical problems, and it is the toughest cart round I've ever played. Even if I was in good shape physically I'm not sure I'd want to walk 18 with some of those hills, although thankfully few transits from green to next tee are too lengthy. The hills affect shotmaking obviously, and my preference these days is for flatter courses (perhaps a sad commentary on my shotmaking abilities now!). But I think Cooke delivered what he was asked to deliver, a scenic, eye-pleasing course that can help sell expensive homes and be able to command top dollar for outings and green fee players.

But for me, I think I'd rather play Digby Pines. :)
« Last Edit: June 04, 2005, 09:21:11 PM by Greg Beaulieu »

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2005, 07:07:52 PM »
Greg - living in Halifax, how often to you get out to Highlands Links?   I was wondering how HL is thought of by folks that live in Nova Scotia.

Greg Beaulieu

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Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2005, 08:21:53 PM »
Greg - living in Halifax, how often to you get out to Highlands Links?   I was wondering how HL is thought of by folks that live in Nova Scotia.


Sad to say, for me at least, I've never been there. It's about a 6 hour journey from Halifax and it is fairly remote. Not the kind of place you just show up and play, then head home.
It is roughly equivalent to planning a group trek to Myrtle Beach or St. Andrew's.

Well, perhaps not quite in that league, but close... :)

On the weekend I saw a TV show on TSN that had a match there. Looked beautiful and you could see the Thompson design even though the focus wasn't on the course. Maybe I can get there this year if my ailments improve.

Robert Thompson

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Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2005, 09:14:41 PM »
Oh come on Greg! I'm from Toronto and I've been to Highlands twice. It is a must see. I think you'd very much enjoy it, especially if you like Digby Pines.
Terrorizing Toronto Since 1997

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Dan Herrmann

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Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2005, 08:15:00 AM »
Greg - I drove up from Philly to play Highlands Links!  And it was worth it.  Take the Cabot Trail drive and let us know what you think   :)

Adam_F_Collins

Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2005, 12:31:26 PM »
Highlands is in a league of its own here in Nova Scotia. Nothing here comes close to it. Glen Arbour, Bell Bay, even courses like Crowbush in PEI aren't even on the same planet.


The Pines is a wonderful place, but it still doesn't compare to the remote beauty and demanding golf course that Highlands is.

But it is a haul to get up there.

Adam_F_Collins

Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2005, 12:47:34 PM »
But to Greg's initial post -

Glen Arbour goes up and down for me.

I enjoy holes 1, 3, 4, 7, 8, 14, 15, 17, and 18, but I don't like 2, 5 and 10 - and just hate 9.

I heard they lost trees on 14 during the hurricane. If that's true, then that's really bad. 14's tee shot depended on the two trees to be interesting.

It's a polished, manicured, expensive tourist attraction. Service is good, the short course is fun. The land is fairly severe and does have some tough uphill stretches (3, 5, 6, 10, 12). I think there are only two courses ( Glen Arbour and Bell Bay) which are this type of high-end, highly manicured, modern facilities in Nova Scotia. These are common in the Toronto area, where there is a population and economic base to support them.

There are a lot of 40-50 dollar-per-round, old school homemade layouts out here. Many of the courses are poorly-designed or have very weak points - but the positive, rustic atmosphere makes up for it in my opinion.

I really love that feeling of true relaxation in an outdoor, social setting - it something that gets a lost when you've just dropped $200 to step onto the first tee.

But that's just my opinion - and everbody's got one.

Dan Herrmann

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Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2005, 01:19:55 PM »
Adam,
Funny you mentioned Bell Bay.  I played 2 days after Highland Links, and found the course pretty boring.  Comparing to metro Toronto, I would much prefer to play Nicklaus' underappreciated (IMHO) Glen Abbey over Bell Bay.

I guess I should've reversed the order....

Willie_Dow

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Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2005, 05:40:13 PM »
One of my favorite rounds in Nova Scotia was in Chester.  The original nine, owned by the town after it was given to Chester by the Pew family from Philadelphia.  Then the town acquired the adjoining land for another nine, and I'm not sure whether it was a gift - or partly given, and the town paid for some of the ground.

Anyone been to Chester for a round ?

Greg Beaulieu

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Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2005, 06:46:31 PM »
One of my favorite rounds in Nova Scotia was in Chester.  The original nine, owned by the town after it was given to Chester by the Pew family from Philadelphia.  Then the town acquired the adjoining land for another nine, and I'm not sure whether it was a gift - or partly given, and the town paid for some of the ground.

Anyone been to Chester for a round ?

Oh my, yes.

Get this: in 1984 my dad moved to Chester and I was able to take some time off work to spend a stretch of time there that summer with him. At the time I didn't play golf, and he never had. One day we were out for a stroll and walked past the sign for the Chester Golf Club. He said, "You know, now that I live here, I can get a townie membership for next to nothing." (I think it was less than $200 a year at the time). "Whaddaya think, should we take it up?" We thought about it for a while and (I still can't believe this) agreed to say no.

A few years later after I had gotten the bug I played the original 9-hole course a few times prior to their expansion. I thought then and still do that it was one of the most special courses I had ever seen.

In the early 90s they added 9 inland holes. They were very rough the first few years, still are nothing much to write home about IMO. I believe they were done by Les Furber.

But the original holes are still there and still wonderful. Three of them run along the water and 3 more have ocean views a fairway over. Not quite Pebble Beach quality, but for the money you cannot beat it. Chester is one of my favorites.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2005, 06:47:49 PM by Greg Beaulieu »

Jim Johnson

Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2005, 09:10:46 PM »
But to Greg's initial post -

Glen Arbour goes up and down for me.

I enjoy holes 1, 3, 4, 7, 8, 14, 15, 17, and 18, but I don't like 2, 5 and 10 - and just hate 9.

Okay Adam, I'll bite. Why don't you like 2, 5, and 10, and why do you hate 9?

I haven't played the course yet, but I'm interested in knowing more about Cooke's projects.

JJ

Andrew Cunningham

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Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2005, 10:08:49 PM »
No doubt Glen Arbour is a solid track.  Certainly the best in the Halifax area - and that includes Wallace, NS!  What I don't get is the constant gushing praise for Stanley Thompson's Highlands Links.  Again, there is no doubt that this is a very good golf course - especially when you consider when and where it was built, and I would agree that is worth the considerable effort to find this rugged (emphasis on rugged!) gem, however Capilano, Jasper, Banff, St. Georges??? and even Montebello are at least on par with if not better than Highland Links.  If this course was designed by any architect other than Mr. Thompson we would never hear the end of the criticism for the lengthy - and I mean lengthy - walks between some of those holes.  Some may consider this nit picking but you need to be a world class athlete to walk this course.  Plus, I'm not sure what the hell Cooke was thinking with some of the hole renovations he did a number of years ago.  Some of the bunkers look dramatically out of place.  Kind of reminds me of the work Carrick (maybe Ian Andrews) did at St. Thomas Golf & Country Club.  Make a trip to play Glen Arbour, Fox Harb’r (if you’ve got the big bucks), Bell Bay, and Highlands Links.  You’ll love the golf, the scenic drive (maybe more inspiring than the golf), and the quaint villages along the way, and if you don’t think you’re making the trek to play "Canada’s Best Golf Course" in Highlands Links I’m sure you’ll really enjoy your round – as long as you take a cart that is!!!

ian

Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2005, 10:42:33 PM »
Andrew,

"Kind of reminds me of the work Carrick (maybe Ian Andrews) did at St. Thomas Golf & Country Club."

Care to add to your comments?

Yes I did the work.


Ian

Adam_F_Collins

Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2005, 11:31:58 PM »
But to Greg's initial post -

Glen Arbour goes up and down for me.

I enjoy holes 1, 3, 4, 7, 8, 14, 15, 17, and 18, but I don't like 2, 5 and 10 - and just hate 9.

Okay Adam, I'll bite. Why don't you like 2, 5, and 10, and why do you hate 9?

I haven't played the course yet, but I'm interested in knowing more about Cooke's projects.

JJ

JJ

2 is a just plain boring, lifeless little par 3. 5 is a pound it downhill, over water and straight uphill for a second shot. 10 is like playing up a giant, spiral staircase to a blind green and 9 - well - it's a pretty piece of land along the water that has so much trouble that most golfers just don't have much for options - you want to do lots of things but the hole is so restricted that you just can't. You have to play either too safe - or too risky. It's just too frustrating.

Adam_F_Collins

Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2005, 11:40:19 PM »
What I don't get is the constant gushing praise for Stanley Thompson's Highlands Links.  

Oh man, come ON! Golf is a walking game. Over land like that, in the Cape Breton Highlands - stretching from the North Atlantic, into the mountains and back again. 11 kilometres. 6.8 miles over the course of 5 hours or so...

I admit, on your average piece of land, it's too far - because on most land there's nothing to look at or think about along the way - but there - it's a National Park.

Highlands is a religious experience. Plus, if you can't handle it - Cooke put in cart paths...


Which bunkers did you find out of place? Which were "Carrick-like"?

Adam_F_Collins

Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2005, 11:48:30 PM »
In the early 90s they added 9 inland holes. They were very rough the first few years, still are nothing much to write home about IMO. I believe they were done by Les Furber.

The second nine was done by Cornish and Robinson in 1988 and opened in 90. Graham Cooke did new greens on 7-10 in the late 90's and then Les Furber took over a couple of years ago, building new tees and creating new green complexes on 4, 11, 15 and 17.

Chester is a fun course and has a wonderful atmosphere. I always take visitors there. It's a beautiful seaside location.

Greg Beaulieu

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Re:Glen Arbour, Halifax, Nova Scotia
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2005, 06:39:06 PM »
I should probably start a new thread on Chester, but here is a link to their site and some pictures:

http://chestergolfclub.ca/club-course/pictures.htm

I have to go there this year, somehow, even if I have to ride.