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Alex_Wyatt

Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« on: June 01, 2005, 12:00:03 PM »
If any of our UK friends attend this event next week, I would be most curious as to their impressions. It has been some time since the professionals have had a go at Walton Heath and it will be very interesting to see what the scoring is. I believe the event is scheduled for Monday?

Richard Pennell

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Re:Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2005, 12:47:27 PM »
Hi Alex

I'm going to head down and catch some of the golf on Monday, I love both the courses there and it will be interesting to see how the pros get on. Last time I went (in March) the ground was very firm and we've not had a lot of rain to change that so it may be that an aerial game is not ideal. I hope no-one tears it apart

cheers

Richard
"The rules committee of the Royal and Ancient are yesterday's men, Jeeves. They simply have to face up to the modern world" Bertie Wooster

grandwazo

Re:Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2005, 03:02:06 PM »
Alex
I had the pleasure of playing Walton Heath the first week in May.  Michael Campbell and another New Zealand pro were on the course getting in a practice round that day.

Based on advice from GCA members I chose the round at the Old Course at Walton Heath over a round at Wentworth and I was very glad I did.
 
The course did indeed play firm and fast, if I remember correctly I had about 110 yards in on the 494 yard par 5 8th hole, having caught the downslope just right, I managed to hit my next shot 30 feet past the hole on to the top shelf and was happy to three putt back down the slope for par, many of the greens have significant slope and character.

The back to back par 5's on the back were also running well, the 13th with it's deep green that runs away followed by the 14th with if I remember correctly plays uphill to a slightly bowl shaped green that reminded me of NGLA just a bit.

Althought the course plays over 7000 yards from the back tees, I think it will be dependent on how treacherous they can get the greens, hitting fairways did not seem that difficult, although I did manage to lose a ball off the tee on the second hole not realizing how much trouble there was down the right side just over the crest.  

Our caddy told a story about Nicklaus and Watson discussing a tee shot on one of the par 5's, I forget which one, in the Ryder Cup on one of the holes that was obviously a driver for most mortals to just reach the corner, with Nicklaus choosing to hit a 6 iron to cut the corner and eventually hit the green in 2 and that was thirty years ago.

The par 3's were all great, from the first hole which is a pleasant start similar to the par 4 first hole at Prestwick (no railroad tracks though) to the 17th, surrounded by a circular bunker giving the hole an island green appearance.

The high point of the day was my english partner and I prematurely counting our winnings and the exchange rate as my good friend Philip poured in a 45 foot putt to win the back and halve the match.

The clubhouse reminded me very much of GCMC, and the small museum honoring the memory of James Braid and his connection to the club added to the history and perspective a round at Walton Heath has to offer.  

While I am at it, I also had the pleasure to play The Wisley Golf Club, a Robert Trent Jones Jr. course next to the famous Wisley Gardens and although it was very similar to courses I have the opportunity to play in the states, I found it to be very enjoyable, similar in some regards to Southern Highlands in Las Vegas, one of my favorite courses in the Vegas area.
 
Challenging tee shots, big sloping greens, very well maintained, beautiful setting and an excellent practice facility, something I have not seen to often in during my visits to the UK, Ireland and Scotland.  I recommend it highly if you have the chance to visit.

David_Tepper

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Re:Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2005, 05:21:14 PM »
The low qualifying score at Walton Heath was 134 (10 under par), which was shot by 2 guys (Jonathan Lomas & Peter Hedblom). Players played one round on each of the 2 courses.

David_Tepper

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Re:Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2005, 05:24:31 PM »
My mistake - Peter Hedblom was one of the 9 qualifiers, but it was Peter Hanson who tied Jonathan Lomas at 134 for low combined score of the day.

Alex_Wyatt

Re:Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2005, 06:07:46 PM »
David, what was high qualifying score?

David_Tepper

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Re:Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2005, 06:20:03 PM »
Four guys tied at 139 (5 under par for 36 holes) for the final spots.

Philip Gawith

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Re:Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2005, 04:48:41 AM »
Interesting to note that the same syndrome that appeared last year with US qualifying for the Open - very few people turning up to play - has now repeated itself on this side of the water. Apparently only 56 people played for 9 slots - when as many as 100 could have played. Apparently a lot of young guys cancelled. Barry Lane is quoted in the Daily Telegraph criticising them for lack of ambition!

Grandwazo - there are three nines at The Wisley - Garden, Mill and Church. Which did you play? I have played them all a few times and I think the consensus is that Mill and Church are best. I agree with all you say about the club, but I suppose the question is whether you would recommend someone play Wisley in preference to more established heathland courses around London. Probably not.

Wisley used to be the course where keen golfers with lots of money who could not access one of the traditional clubs would go. Nowadays that role has been taken by Queenwood. Wisley is home to Colin Montgomerie and his coach Dennis Pugh.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re:Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2005, 05:47:06 PM »
Monday was a little cool for June but too nice to spend the afternoon in the office so I wondered down for two firsts.  Never saw a professional tourney before nor visited Walton Heath.

I got there about 3.30 and there was free parking off to the side of the practice grounds. I had no information about the courses or the players so it was suck it and see - and it was a really pleasant experience.  We followed Pierre Fulke round 8, 9 and 10 (I discovered later) of the New course and then Barry Lane and Jarmo Sandelin from 13 to 18 of the old course. Crowds were light and it was great to follow really closely. In a small area at the end we could watch the action on the two 18th greens or the last 3 holes on the Old.

We spoke to a member and he said that they had had a new “green keeper” about 18 months ago and the tees and greens were in really "tip top" shape.  In addition he said that over the past 4 years there had been a tree clearance programme going on - on the Heath the enemy was the 'Silver Birch' which had freely seeded over the years.  He pointed out several views which just weren’t there when he joined a decade or so ago.  The fairways were also firm and fast and without the famous spring in the turf my friend remembered from a game there a couple of years ago.

When I got a strokesaver for the old course It featured a short essay on the courses by Bernard Darwin "... that brings me to one more virtue of Walton Heath as a whole which I did not mention before. There is no monotony of high pitching but plenty of running-up to be done and the fast, firm turf is exactly suited to the purpose".  Sorry Bernard the conditions my not have changed but the game has.   'the monotony of ... pitching' was only broken by either Scott Drummond or Andrew Coltart, one of whom pitched a ball over the mid fairway bunker in front of the New's 18th and ran the  ball 45 yards across the green upto the upper level , approx 6' from the pin.  I'm sorry I couldn't identify who was who but they both hail from Scotland!

The winners were 10 under for 36 holes. On the Old the 426 yard 5th and the 404 yard 18th were both drive and pitch holes with the drives running on up to 30 yards. The 18th has a cross bunker with a large hollow, some 12’ deep, on the front lip which approx 25% of the pros were driving into - about 325 yards.  Most pitching shots seemed to stop within 4'.  However the course was dry and there was little wind until the last half hour or so.

It was fun to be able to wander over the clubhouse check out the scores and see Nick Dougherty etc practicing on the putting green to stay active in case of a playoff. The whole event was great fun and a lovely evening.  Perhaps because on the final nine Lane and Sandelin had figured they wouldn’t be visiting the US soon were very relaxed joking with the crowd and unlike the typical pro you see on the TV.

As to my first impressions of the course. Well I only saw about a third of it but some of those fairways are ironing board flat!  I present the aforesaid 18th as my witness.  And the greens well they seem generous and relatively flat and not as undulating as the other heathland courses I've played.  The powers of recovery of these guys was amazing and the heather seemed to hold no fear for them.  They were strategically aiming for the most advantageous side of the fairway (again something it’s not clear that the do when watching the box) to try and set up birdie’s but they seemed able to recover from the heather and save par.

However watching these guys play they weren’t having a great deal of success.  The greens are hard to attack on the par 5's with raised greens and greens that slope front to back.  Although I saw a few 20' puts go down I also saw a number missed from 4' or less, lots of subtle movement. Even so I can’t remember any 3 putts.  A little wind (this is the highest point of Surrey 600' feet above sea level) and the heather higher (it has been a dry winter and warmth has been in short supply) and the scores could have been different.

I will be back to see more of the qualifying and next time at Walton Heath I'll bring my weapons.
Let's make GCA grate again!

David_Tepper

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Re:Walton Heath and US Open Qualifying
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2005, 06:02:39 PM »
Tony Muldoon -

Thanks for the very thorough report. I have been to several of the regional US Open qualifiers held in the SF Bay Area over the years. They are usually very low-key affairs and fun to attend, as you can get very close to a lot of the golf. I still remember watching Johnny Miller qualify at San Francisco GC for the 1987 Open at the Olympic Club with maybe 50 people in his gallery .  

Watching top-class golfers on a world class course without having to fight the crowds is always a pleasure.

DT