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Steve_ Shaffer

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Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« on: April 13, 2005, 11:37:49 AM »
From the Newark Star Ledger:

Baltusrol vows to be more rough for Woods
Tuesday, April 12, 2005
BY KEVIN MANAHAN
Star-Ledger Staff
AUGUSTA, Ga. Somewhere in a garage in Springfield, N.J., where grass clippings carpet the floor and the room freshener is the smell of fertilizer, a golf course superintendent is talking to the television as he watches the replays of the Masters highlights.

"Go ahead, Tiger Woods, enjoy your victory. But the day of reckoning is coming. In four months, you're going to be mine. Mine! Mine!"    
Then he breaks into a sinister laugh.

Okay, maybe Mark Kuhns, superintendent at Baltusrol Golf Club, isn't some devious criminal mind, but he watched the tournament, and he knows this statistic: Woods finished 49th out of 50 golfers in driving accuracy at the Masters.

And you thought Chris DiMarco was the guy in that pairing with the loose head on his driver.

Yesterday morning, Kuhns returned to the lower course at Baltusrol, where the PGA Championship will be played in August, and one of the first things he did was turn on the sprinklers. After a nice, wet spring, the rough already is gnarlier than Willie Nelson's beard.

"The rough? It's outstanding," Kuhns said from his office yesterday. "It's well fed. It's growing well. We just laid down 32 acres of Kentucky bluegrass and it's thick and thriving."

In other words, it's going to eat Pro V1's for lunch.

"Here, if you're in the rough, it's going to cost you a half a stroke to a stroke," Kuhns said. "If you're in the fairway, you're going to be rewarded. If not, there's going to be a stiff penalty. Tiger is strong, but he'll have a problem if he's in the wrong place."

Face it, Augusta National was rigged for Woods and the long hitters. If the old guys in the green jackets wanted an underdog to win, they'd lay down a few million cubic yards of rough and turn their tournament from a grip-and-rip festival into a competition that rewards accuracy.

But they don't want some no-name sitting at the champions dinner the following year if they can help it. Mike Weir will win a Masters only when rain slows the course and everyone else just wants to go home and take a long, hot shower. Guys like Larry Mize will win a green jacket only when they make incredible shots. Chris DiMarco can stay in the mix for as long as his putter stays hot, but he is now 0-for-3 when he has been in contention.

Augusta wants a leaderboard dominated by Woods and Ernie Els and Phil Mickelson and Vijay Singh, the longest hitters, the sexiest names.

"I hope sooner or later, the PGA wakes up," Jeff Maggert said. "Guys who make their living keeping the ball in the fairways are having a tougher time making a living. Maybe there will be more tournaments where the rough is a factor. Right now, it seems, this is what they want."

When Woods wins, ratings are the highest. When Woods wins, interest in golf is at its peak. When Woods wins, everybody well, almost everybody is happy.

At Augusta National, golfers can be long and wrong. Oh, the course has a second cut, some barely noticeable longer grass that lines the fairways, but that just makes it tougher for golfers to spin the ball on the green.

Short hitter Fred Funk's reaction: "When you're Tiger Woods and you're hitting wedges out of there, it doesn't really make a difference."

And another short hitter, Jerry Kelly, says: "There's little rough at Pinehurst (site of this year's U.S. Open). Tiger could could do it there, too."

Woods says he has revamped his swing, but that was to give him more accuracy with his irons. The driver remains a riddle. Still, he took the lead of the Masters with seven consecutive birdies, then held off DiMarco in a playoff after squandering a four-shot lead in the final round. But those who watched his game believe Baltusrol could be Kryptonite to golf's Superman.

"Tiger is better than anyone else," golfer Joe Ogilvie said. "He's mentally tougher than everyone else. He is physically better. He has the best short game, the best iron game. The only question mark is his driver.

"Look at the (recent) tournaments where the rough was high Bayhill and the TPC. He wasn't a factor in either one. Of course, if he starts hitting the driver into the fairway, game over."

Woods' coach, Hank Haney, is taking bows. Last year, as he tinkered with the swing, Woods failed to win a major for the second year in a row. Haney took a lot of heat. Now he is taking bows.

"It was the media's perception that things weren't working," Haney said. "He kept saying he was close, and that became a joke. He knew he was close. He could feel it coming. It was nice that he weathered the storm."

Check back in August.
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Tony_Chapman

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2005, 12:17:51 PM »
At 500:1 current odds, I would put down $5 on Tiger to win the slam this year. He always plays wells where Jack did (and Baltusrol is one of those). He owned St. Andrews five years ago and was 3rd at Pinehurst in 1999.

You heard it hear first.  ;D

Robert Thompson

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2005, 03:25:55 PM »
I think the modern Grand Slam is impossible. In fact, I wrote a column about it in my paper today. Only lazy journalists who cover golf part-time and don't really understand the game think Woods can pull it off.
Wasn't the same talk out there when Mickelson won?
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Mike_Cirba

Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2005, 03:40:45 PM »
First of all, the Slam is attainable as Tiger has already proven.

Second of all, it sounds as though Baltusrol is going to be the US version of Carnoustie/Lawrie.

Can I bet on Jeff Maggert?

Buck Wolter

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2005, 05:50:45 PM »
As far as Baltusrol goes, can't Tiger outdrive or at least keep up with Dimarco, Funk, Maggert, et al with his 2 iron? I liked Kostas comments where he said if Tiger just trusted the technology he's now using and didn't overswing he'd still be bombing it past everybody else, I expect he'll be doing that soon.

I'm no lazy journalist (sounds redundant) but I do know a little about probabilities. I'd say he's a 50/50 bet against the field in each of the remaining majors. By my calculation that's .5x.5x.5= 12.5% chance of finishing the slam.
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Doug Siebert

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2005, 07:17:17 PM »
Well Buck, I'd be happy to take just about any bet you want to offer if you want to bet on Tiger winning the grand slam this year at 8:1 ;D  He's not nearly as good as the guy who held all four major titles at once a few years ago.

And while I'd say he's got his best chance of winning a second major at TOC since it is much more wide open than most Open (and certainly any US Open) courses, his misses nowadays are all wide right.  I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him knock it OB on one of the last five holes (especially 18) if he's in the hunt on Sunday, as it does seem like his current swing problems are magnified by pressure based on what happened the last three holes at the Masters.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2005, 08:03:57 PM »
Mike Cirba,

It sounds as though Baltusrol is going to be the US version of Carnoustie/Lawrie.


The sad thing is that most, if not all, of these preparations are irreversible, hence once the tournament leaves town the members will be left to play a course permanently altered but for one purpose, to challenge the PGA Tour Professional.
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Mike_Cirba

Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2005, 09:57:17 PM »
Mike Cirba,


The sad thing is that most, if not all, of these preparations are irreversible, hence once the tournament leaves town the members will be left to play a course permanently altered but for one purpose, to challenge the PGA Tour Professional.
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Patrick,

That seems most true...I know that Merion never got back their original width after the last two US Opens.

In the case of Baltusrol, didn't Mark Kuhns mention that the next plan was to actually physicially move Tillie's bunkers out further from the tee and in closer to the fairway?

Of course, then they're no longer Tillie's bunkers, but...

Dan Kelly

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2005, 10:08:01 PM »
The sad thing is that most, if not all, of these preparations are irreversible....

I don't understand this. Why are they irreversible?
« Last Edit: April 13, 2005, 10:08:56 PM by Dan Kelly »
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Anthony_Nysse

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2005, 06:04:40 AM »
The same thing is being done at Oakmont.....there is some serious alterations being made to the course for one tournament...the US OPEN.....
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2005, 07:15:32 AM »
Dan Kelly,

Didn't you read paragraph 6 of the opening post ?

The paragraph about the installation of 32 acres of Bluegrass rough.

When you spend $ 800,000 + to eradicate the old rough and install/sod the entirely new rough in bluegrass, unless you want to spend $ 1,000,000 to undo it, it's irreversible.

It's my understanding that some roughs were narrowed in the DZ.

I thought reading was your forte ?  ;D

JESII

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2005, 10:50:36 AM »
As far as Baltusrol goes, can't Tiger outdrive or at least keep up with Dimarco, Funk, Maggert, et al with his 2 iron? I liked Kostas comments where he said if Tiger just trusted the technology he's now using and didn't overswing he'd still be bombing it past everybody else, I expect he'll be doing that soon.

I'm no lazy journalist (sounds redundant) but I do know a little about probabilities. I'd say he's a 50/50 bet against the field in each of the remaining majors. By my calculation that's .5x.5x.5= 12.5% chance of finishing the slam.


Buck

Based on that, I'll give you 8 to 1 odds on the Slam, so long as your bet is at least $10,000. And tell anyone else they can get that good a deal with me as well 8).

Sam Sikes

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2005, 11:12:44 AM »
My guess is that this wont really bother tiger, because when he misses the fairway, he will be in the gallery trampled rough 30 yards off the fairway facing some sort of dramatic recovery.  However, I don't think he will win at Baltusrol, not because of the rough, but because he is not really playing that well right now.  He simply doesn't have all of the shots he had in 2000.  Whenever you see tiger hitting sand wedge from 120, he is uncomfortable, and that is what he is doing.

JESII

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2005, 11:30:35 AM »
Sam

Good point about the comfort factor, although he did hit a number of really great iron shots last week so maybe he's geting there.

Has Baltusroll significantly narrowed their fairways in these past couple of years for the PGA? Surely the 32 acres of Kentucky blue is not 'new rough', is it?

I'll tell you why Tiger has a great chance to win everywhere, his short game. They could grow the rough up to his ass at Baltusrol, all that means is that on the 6 or 7 par fours where he misses the fairway he'll be strong enough (much stronger than any of his competitors) to gouge the ball up near the green and from there save par 80 or 90 percent of the time. On the other 5 or 6 par fours, they are now birdie opportunities, along with the 2 par fives and 4 par threes. His strategy leaves him 11 or 12 birdie holes versus about 2 bogeys. None of this is a science, but that is how he looks at it and rationalizes sticking with driver and smashing away.


Buck Wolter

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2005, 11:41:54 AM »
Warning PGAtlas.com posting

JES you're a better odds maker than I am. The only Tiger Odds posted I could find had +170 for 2 majors, +700 for 3 and +3800 for 4 so  you could take my bet and lay it off (Soprano's lingo) and still pocket some good money.

I may have to find a reputable place to try to make this happen -- I think 3 is a very good possibility and the British seems like a lock.

Sam- If DiMarco doesn't play the golf of his life were talking about how Tiger lapped the field. He putted into the water and won! I can't say I was rooting for him but I wouldn't bet against him.


« Last Edit: April 14, 2005, 11:42:21 AM by Buck Wolter »
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jeffwarne

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2005, 04:50:51 PM »
Always amazes me that anyone would try to "Tigerproof" or (in his era)"NicKlaus Proof".
I'd spend as much time as possible Lawrie and Curtis proofing.(with all due respect to both who played exceptionally and beat strong fields in both events)
I mean wouldn't you want the top ranked player to win your event?or at least contend?
Accurate driving is important,but if a player can overcome due to superior dominance in other areas,shouldn't it be acceptable for them to win.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2005, 05:58:35 PM »
Jeffwarne,

It's overpowering the golf course and rendering the architecture null and void that they're trying to defend, or "proof".

Nicklaus and Woods are just the instruments of their respective generations.

jeffwarne

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Re:Baltusrol, Tiger and Mark Kuhns
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2005, 09:11:36 PM »
Anyone who thought the architecture was "null and void"
last Sunday was watching a different tournament than me.
(Disclaimer-I hate the new trees on 11 and 15 and I think 15 should be lengthened to preserve original challenge-there'e room--I also don't like the rough)
#10 Tiger hooks it,gets good break,bogies from(or because of) rough --DeMarco pars from difficult angle
#11 Tiger kills his drive,longest of tournament-sets up short iron,DeMarco birdies with long putt
#12 DeMarco-plays too conservative,bogie
#13 DeMarco lays up,Tiger goes for it from straw-playing away from water
#14 DeMarco masterfully uses slope for birdie
#15 Tiger goes for it after killing drive into rough(where he was used to be fairway),DeMarco lays up makes birdie anyway
#16 no comment needed
#17 Tiger flares into trees,bogies
#18 Tiger bogies from rough and bad angle

Despite my thoughts about recent changes,I thought it was an amazing(or actually,the usual) display of architecture at it's finest-penal,strategic,and heroic.
The USGA should take notes on the setup and instead of trying to "protect par",they should protect the game(i.e. balls and clubs)
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