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Marty Bonnar

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The TPC at Ephesus?
« on: January 25, 2005, 09:34:18 AM »
Proof has been received that archaeologists recently uncovered evidence of the very first Stadium Course...



 ;)
FBD.
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The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Lou_Duran

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Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #1 on: January 25, 2005, 12:37:51 PM »
FBD,

When I was there a few years ago, I swear that I could see a level of containment mounding that made Fazio seem like a mere amateur by contrast.  There was also a bit of gratuitous eye candy, and an over reliance of form over substance.  I also thought that some of the sculpturing was a bit over the top.  On the plus side, the spectators seemed to be well taken care of.  All in all, a bit contrived for my taste, but given the severity of the site, a nice place to spend an afternoon or evening.
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peter_p

Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2005, 07:17:41 PM »
My recollection is this picture seems to be taken at the same time of day when Devil's Point was visited.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2005, 08:02:03 PM »
Martin,
I have a funny feeling that the pillars--no matter how tall and strong--would be always viewed as a gimmick in the realm of Great golf architecture. Personally I like em'.

You also would surely have Plateau or Soccrates wanting a design credit. Tell them both to go straight to Hell! Especially when their agents come a calling..........
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Jonathan Cummings

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Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2005, 08:21:24 PM »
Tommy,

Plateau!?  That may be one of the better double entendres I have heard.

J
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ian

Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2005, 09:17:54 PM »
Martin,

Brilliant!  ;D

That's the most I've laughed in a while, I tip my hat to you sir.

Ian
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Mike Hendren

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Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #6 on: January 25, 2005, 09:26:55 PM »
FBD,

The All Saints Golf Club is rarely mentioned on this site.  I believe its name is derived from Paul's saluation "to all the saints in Ephesus."  

I'm fairly confident that the original tee on this hole - #1 if memory serves me correctly, was directly behind the theater on the top of Mt. Pion.  The green was sited within the theater, creating the ultimate punch-bowl.  The tee in the foreground is all that remains of the 565 yards par five 2nd that played along Arcadian Way down to the harbor.  The routing then proceeded counter-clockwise in an out and back configuration later copied at The Old Course.  The 18th hole finished flush against Curetes Street - the original Road Hole.  

There is no truth to the myth that the term "links" originated with the ASCC due to the fact that the initial routing linked the three gymnasiums in town.  

The male-only membership is a fact, however, as evidenced by Paul's writing:  "Wives, submit to your husbands..."

I understand the course has been completely re-routed to begin and finish at the Temple of Artemis that serves as the present day clubhouse.  What a Turkey.

Mike
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Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Marty Bonnar

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Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2005, 06:41:14 AM »
...Cheers, Gents!

and as for the R&A - well, it's clearly modelled on the Celsus Library, right?



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paul cowley

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Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2005, 08:20:18 AM »
...Martin, you maniac  ;D.

  It's funny though....I really kind of like these holes and I'm fighting strong urges to incorporate them in future designs...!
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BCrosby

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Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2005, 08:31:10 AM »
I'm with you Paul.

But I would be tempted to go for the modern version of this meme. Instead of Roman columns, have an Exxon Station back right of the green; a Burger King back left; maybe a hospital maintenance building marking an OB.

An updated, expanded Prestwick concept.

Bob  
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Brian Phillips

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Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2005, 08:31:38 AM »
Martin,

I really enjoy trying to guess the green sites.  I have no idea on the first one but is the second the 13th at Kingsbarns?

Or is a Gullane green?

Congrats on the new job.  Ronan and I are over on the 14th of April for the EIGCA AGM, wanna meet up?  We are thinking of having a final night in Edinburgh on the Saturday.

Brian
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Bunkers, if they be good bunkers, and bunkers of strong character, refuse to be disregarded, and insist on asserting themselves; they do not mind being avoided, but they decline to be ignored - John Low Concerning Golf

Marty Bonnar

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Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2005, 10:20:03 AM »
Just a bit of fun amongst the serious business of GCA, gentlemen! ;)

The first is the 6th at - you guessed it! - Pitreavie once again. Another of the fun Par 3s there.
And Brian gets the second one correct. The 13th at Kingsbarns, it is!

Thanks re the congrats on the job, Brian! Will keep you posted. I saw the EIGCA AGM stuff on the website. I would love to meet up with you guys round about then. (For Golf and/or Drinkin' naturally) Might even come along to some of the symposia.... ;)

FBD.
 
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The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

mike_beene

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Re:The TPC at Ephesus?
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2005, 12:13:08 PM »
Paul writes:I have fought the good fight,I have finished the course,I have kept the faith.2 Timothy 4:7.Wonder what he shot?
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