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Norbert P

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Re:The forgotten hazard ?
« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2004, 01:19:22 PM »
  THE Redan...


 I happened to go into the furthest one back and scored one of the happiest bogies of my life.  
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

TEPaul

Re:The forgotten hazard ?
« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2004, 01:23:07 PM »
Pat:

All I'm going to tell you right now about which rear bunker at Seminole is original is on #13. That one has been there for something like 10 million years!  ;)

john_stiles

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Re:The forgotten hazard ?
« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2004, 01:58:41 PM »
MJ Fay & Pat,

From the Ross hole sketch for #14 green,  there are two 'formalized' bunkers front left and one bunker front right.  I say 'formalized' because of a margin note.

One of the typed margin notes on the hole sketch...says... "Cut down the rear and fill the front, the rear section B to be 1 ft. higher than front section A. The cut on the rear to be left as a sand waste."    

My copy of the sketch is clipped somewhat and the line actually reads as "

The cut on the rea
to be left as a
sand waste."  

The sketch looks and the note reads like the word "rea" should be rea(r).

Section A and B refer to sections shown on the green sketch. It looks like a green with two levels.  The rear, left, and right sides of the green are sketched like a cut out of a slope.

Again these are perhaps the finished Ross hole sketches with notes being typed in the margins. Sketches have a finished look.

Left as a sand waste ?   Those familiar with 14th green can chime in ....if this makes sense as to the present arrangement.

The Tufts Archives (910.295.3642) does have marvelous records for quite a few Ross courses.  Stop by when you visit Pinehurst or give Audrey Moriarty a ring.

Patrick_Mucci

Re:The forgotten hazard ?
« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2004, 02:10:37 PM »
TEPaul,

I'm aware of the originality of the rear bunker on # 13.

It's # 14 I'm curious about
Was that a Ross bunker, a Wilson bunker or a club bunker ?

The same question applies to the rear bunker on # 2.

SPDB

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Re:The forgotten hazard ?
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2004, 04:39:28 PM »
Pat - What about the rear bunkers on NGLA #7, PRC #8 which duplicate the road. I've always dreaded going into them, but with the shape of the greens and their shallowness, it is often times a real possibility. Often times you are approaching with long irons, which make entry into these bunkers a real possibility.

Patrick_Mucci

Re:The forgotten hazard ?
« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2004, 07:45:46 PM »
SPDB,

It's an impressive bunker, deep, steep and vast.

As you mentioned recovery shots must be precise due to the narrow nature of the green, and the runoff in front

The front right pin position has to be one of the most challenging in golf and the rear bunker is a primary factor.

TEPaul, George Bahto and I spent about 40 minutes evaluating that green and bunker complex last fall.

I think the removal of the trees will make the approach shot even more difficult as the golfer will have less of a frame of reference due to the lack of features that help with depth perception.  I'm anxious to see if it possesses a skyline like quality from the right side of the fairway.

Gerry B

Re:The forgotten hazard ?
« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2004, 09:20:33 PM »
#5 at chicago golf club -a very short par 4 has a tremendous rear bunker that can be very interesting when the pin is back right

Lloyd_Cole

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Re:The forgotten hazard ?
« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2004, 10:49:22 PM »
Lowbrow example - that bunker shot Daly played to win a couple of weeks ago made for a dramatic climax and demanded great nerve and execution. I like that.

Patrick_Mucci

Re:The forgotten hazard ?
« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2004, 09:22:42 AM »
Are bunkers at the rear of greens the stepchild of bunkers ?

Are they often inserted for visibility rather then playability ?

Do they have the same time and thought devoted to their creation as fronting or flanking bunkers ?

Getting back to the original questions

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