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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: Who Are You Guys(revisited)?
« Last post by Ben Sims on Yesterday at 09:15:30 AM »Another pilot? Theres goes the neighborhood.
Welcome Steven!
Welcome Steven!
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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: Care and Quality in US Restoration/Renovations vs. UK? Bunkering especially...?
« Last post by Niall C on Yesterday at 09:15:23 AM »
Hi Niall
I broadly agree, but I would say that not only Harry Colt needs the high bar.
As we have seen in the US restoration movement there are many examples of other worthy architects worth protecting/restoring too (could be Fernie, Taylor, Vardon or dare I say Braid).
It's about respecting what went before on that particular site, as you say, to the best possible result.
Cheers
Simon
I've omitted my original post so as to keep this a reasonable length.
I'd suggest that there are perhaps two factors as to why restoration is big in the US in a way it isn't in the UK;
- a great many of our courses were designed and built pre golden age and I'd suggest have evolved on an almost continuous basis since, incorporating different styles/ideas along the way. What do you do with a course like that ? Take it back to it's Victorian roots ? I'd suggest not. Certainly, I can't think of the near 130 courses that Fernie worked on that would merit the full restoration treatment.
- the biggest and most obvious factor is money, or the relative lack of it. How many clubs have the budget for a comprehensive restoration/refurb ? Probably very few.
That's not to say that some architects aren't trying very hard to make mileage out of restoring golden age gca's work.
Niall
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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: 6,000 yards 14 clubs 3 hours
« Last post by Tim Martin on Yesterday at 09:14:23 AM »Obviously not new courses-and bastardized versions of their original design-but PCC #1/#3 are the poster children for this scheme.
P.S. In January, BOTH could be played in about three hours.
Peter-I would put Franklin Park in Boston on the “poster child” list as well. George Wright seems to steal all the accolades as the city’s go to play but FP fits Ran’s requirement and is a blast. A hole to note is the par four 12th that I would consider one of the best in the area from either the private or public course stable.
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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: What would be the Antithesis of the Great GCA Triumvirate's Golf Course Designs
« Last post by Ben Stephens on Yesterday at 09:13:34 AM »Ben
The building architecture examples isn't giving me a sense of what you mean for golf architecture.
Ciao
If you seen the roof forms of Eisenman's proposal - that could be recreated in big and bold landforms and you thread holes through the lower parts or over them.
I would conclude that Building Architecture is far more advanced and has much greater variety when it comes to design styles than golf course design which seems to be rather monotonous at present ie everyone doing similar work not one out of the box
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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: 6,000 yards 14 clubs 3 hours
« Last post by Peter Sayegh on Yesterday at 08:56:39 AM »Obviously not new courses-and bastardized versions of their original design-but PCC #1/#3 are the poster children for this scheme.
P.S. In January, BOTH could be played in about three hours.
P.S. In January, BOTH could be played in about three hours.
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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: 6,000 yards 14 clubs 3 hours
« Last post by Brian Finn on Yesterday at 08:52:17 AM »Aren't there many classic courses that would essentially fit if you played from the "correct" (often original) tees?
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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: Who Are You Guys(revisited)?
« Last post by Niall C on Yesterday at 08:47:33 AM »Steven
That's a fantastic post by way of introduction. I look forward to reading more of your thoughts. Also don't be shy, just wade right in. You'll find that mostly our barks are worse than our bites.
Niall
That's a fantastic post by way of introduction. I look forward to reading more of your thoughts. Also don't be shy, just wade right in. You'll find that mostly our barks are worse than our bites.
Niall
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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: What would be the Antithesis of the Great GCA Triumvirate's Golf Course Designs
« Last post by Simon Barrington on Yesterday at 08:47:16 AM »"Colt Braid and Simpson courses look similar however play a bit different only a few of us will notice it not the everyday golfer - sometimes the similarity could be down to construction approaches that they had at the time working within their limitations. These days a lot more can be done construction wise.
The opposite - it probably would be artificial - look at the proposed buildings in Saudi Arabia - Gidori for one - building wise however the course is being done by Nicklaus which is not a golf course version of the proposed building
https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/magna/gidori
This building proposal made me jump out of my seat as a student Peter Eisenman's Musee Du Quai Branly competition entry - it was 2nd in the competition which was won by Jean Nouvel that was built. However its forms created by computer and we do have construction techniques to form these shapes I have often though could this form create one or a few holes
https://eisenmanarchitects.com/Musee-du-quai-Branly-1999
There are other design ideas from Zaha Hadid, Charles Jencks, Piet Oudolf with nature and Enric Miralles with artistic land forms.
https://www.zaha-hadid.com/architecture/landesgardenschau-landscape-formation-one/
This may be far fetched for many on this site. There are other design influences like car bodywork and product designs."
The resurrection of Desmond Muirhead beckons?
Or perhaps the return to Victorian exagerrated Geometric design?
I am suprised that such approaches have not been attempted/returned to but it would take a very brave (& wealthy) developer to do something so out of the norm.
Perhaps in the Virtual design sphere (TGL, Simulators etc.) this may come in, think Video Game Super Mario meets Muirhead?
But too far away for the real world I suspect.
The opposite - it probably would be artificial - look at the proposed buildings in Saudi Arabia - Gidori for one - building wise however the course is being done by Nicklaus which is not a golf course version of the proposed building
https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/magna/gidori
This building proposal made me jump out of my seat as a student Peter Eisenman's Musee Du Quai Branly competition entry - it was 2nd in the competition which was won by Jean Nouvel that was built. However its forms created by computer and we do have construction techniques to form these shapes I have often though could this form create one or a few holes
https://eisenmanarchitects.com/Musee-du-quai-Branly-1999
There are other design ideas from Zaha Hadid, Charles Jencks, Piet Oudolf with nature and Enric Miralles with artistic land forms.
https://www.zaha-hadid.com/architecture/landesgardenschau-landscape-formation-one/
This may be far fetched for many on this site. There are other design influences like car bodywork and product designs."
The resurrection of Desmond Muirhead beckons?
Or perhaps the return to Victorian exagerrated Geometric design?
I am suprised that such approaches have not been attempted/returned to but it would take a very brave (& wealthy) developer to do something so out of the norm.
Perhaps in the Virtual design sphere (TGL, Simulators etc.) this may come in, think Video Game Super Mario meets Muirhead?
But too far away for the real world I suspect.
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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: Feature Interview with Andrew Harvie
« Last post by Evan Fleisher on Yesterday at 08:45:15 AM »It was great to meet you this week, Andrew...looking forward to great(er) things to come!
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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: Colt's KENNEMER G&CC: Benelux Tour 2024 - 1-15
« Last post by Adam Lawrence on Yesterday at 08:33:30 AM »The bunkering on Kennemer's fifteenth is shocking. I know there have been attempts to persuade the club to restore the hole; so far without success. Eventually I hope it happens. Along with the eighth at St George's Hill it is possibly the Colt hole most obviously in need of restoration.