Quote from: Peter Sayegh on Yesterday at 08:56:39 AM

Obviously not new courses-and bastardized versions of their original design-but PCC #1/#3 are the poster children for this scheme.
P.S. In January, BOTH could be played in about three hours.

Sedge Valley is so important to this concept getting any traction in the US.
It is Tom Doak doing as Pete Dye is often cited as doing, an about face to recent mega scale projects and a welcome change in direction.

I hope it doesn't just end up as a design curiosity, albeit a great one as is the current status of The Loop.
But it is so great Tom keeps trying to find alternative concepts, and the developers who embrace these.
(I'd include Brian & Blake's Kids Course at Old Barnwell in this "movement" too, perhpas "New Barnwell" may reinforce the concept when it comes along?)

Brian's point is correct, there is a 6000yd or less course hidden within every longer course if shorter tees are available and desired, this is great especially in winter. Clubs can embrace this by adding events or competitions that force/encourage play from forward tees (perhaps with reduced no.s of clubs as well to encourage walking and creativity in shot making)

But, the best version of these are designed as such, including Formby Ladies (notably without a review on here) and Sunningdale Heath (nee Ladies)
See:
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,67423.msg1611407/topicseen.html#msg1611407

Cheers

"Colt Braid and Simpson courses look similar however play a bit different only a few of us will notice it not the everyday golfer - sometimes the similarity could be down to construction approaches that they had at the time working within their limitations. These days a lot more can be done construction wise.

The opposite - it probably would be artificial - look at the proposed buildings in Saudi Arabia - Gidori for one - building wise however the course is being done by Nicklaus which is not a golf course version of the proposed building

https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/magna/gidori

This building proposal made me jump out of my seat as a student Peter Eisenman's Musee Du Quai Branly competition entry - it was 2nd in the competition which was won by Jean Nouvel that was built. However its forms created by computer and we do have construction techniques to form these shapes I have often though could this form create one or a few holes

https://eisenmanarchitects.com/Musee-du-quai-Branly-1999

There are other design ideas from Zaha Hadid, Charles Jencks, Piet Oudolf with nature and Enric Miralles with artistic land forms.

https://www.zaha-hadid.com/architecture/landesgardenschau-landscape-formation-one/

This may be far fetched for many on this site. There are other design influences like car bodywork and product designs."



The resurrection of Desmond Muirhead beckons?

Or perhaps the return to Victorian exagerrated Geometric design?

I am suprised that such approaches have not been attempted/returned to but it would take a very brave (& wealthy) developer to do something so out of the norm.

Perhaps in the Virtual design sphere (TLC, Simulators etc.) this may come in, think Video Game Super Mario meets Muirhead?
But too far away for the real world I suspect.