our season ended extra early this year  oh well just another reason to make more trips down south this winter

Kalen -

I am not quite sure why you do not seem to accept the answers that have been given to the questions you have raised. I am also not sure how much links golf you have played in GB&I.

Over the past 6 years, I have had the good fortune to play 5 to 7 weeks of links golf per year at Dornoch and the nearby courses. The rest of the year I live in San Francisco. I am, at best, at mid-teen handicap.

I can assure you that the shots I play and the clubs I use, especially those from 100 yards in to the edge of the green, in the two different locales can be very different. They are different for all the reasons (the design of the course, the wind & weather, the firmness of the turf, etc.) that have already been stated on this thread.

As I said earlier, players much better than I, especially those players who can control the trajectory & spin of their short irons & wedges, seem to be better able to play their"normal" aerial game on links courses.   

What more needs to be said?

DT

     

 

I'd be curious to know from those who have played The Straits and if they did like it -- what is the driving reason for their support of it?

Frankly, Pete has done far better work in my mind elsewhere -- The Straits has some interesting holes -- but it's often times the short holes -- see the two par-3's on the inner half -- that are quite compelling.

Jaeger:

When you say #2 is "all world" can you tell me how if it was not up to its full potential it can be deemed to be at the highest of high levels. Were you simply cutting the course a break because of past reputation?

In regards to what the USGA will do -- I am quite confident Mike Davis will do what he has done so well with other past US Open sites.


Jud:

Good point on the wind dimension. I just wonder how raters -- those from Golfweek -- see The Straits when other more noted Dye courses languish behind it.

With all respect, Garland is way out of line on this.  Many years ago, my club examined the dues/"trail fee"/cart fee issue fairly comprehensively.  Our situation may not be typical.....  we have a large number of "seasonal" members who play frequently when in town but who live primarily some distance away.....

Our analysis started with the "required revenue" (fixed cost, debt service, and basic maintenance).  The first reduction was then cart revenue (calculated at 25% return over fully burdened cost), then dues.  The "service" or "trail" fee was then calculated to cover the difference.

In no way can it be assumed that "Cartballers" are subsidizing walkers!  A nominal fee per round to cover the cost of fixing ball marks, working bunkers, filling divots, etc. is not out of line.

Jamey

Believe me Bill -- you speak for me and many others.  How many, I guess that is to be left open.

Go Bears tomorrow.

The only problem I've found is that with the abundance of sunny weather here in SW Florida I dont have the pressing need to play because I know the weather will be as good tomorrow as it is today.

Well, that and I dont have access to the 2 decent courses here in Naples!!

  Garland,

  Bill said Mike Young was sick of my questions. Or was it him that was sick of my questions for Mike young? I forget. I love them both. NHice hat. I guess for Bill he may think that he needs to help police the site. That is OK with me. Even if he ignorantly comes down too hard on me. He is Bill McBride and since he is a member at Cypress I will kiss his ass like everyone else on this site.

 Anthony

Anthony,l you are burning a bridge here.  If that's okay, fine.

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Serious question:  do you two have any idea how ridiculous you appear to the other members of this group after six years of this stuff?
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Bill,

I'm going to have to ask you to not represent yourself as knowing what all members think.
Hope that's not a problem.

No problem at all. I should have said "what appears to be a substantial majority of the members."

I was going to ask what is your position on endless bickering and acrimony, but that's your business.

Again, I have to ask how you would know the thoughts of "a substantial majority of the members"?

I said "what appears" and I can read.

Never been there. Apparently stunning land. Doak called it a missed opportunity in the CG.

Garland:

Yes, I know....but I would like him (or others who agree with him) to explain this in more detail.  While I am certain that Tom would have designed a different course and may have well designed a better course, there is, in my opinion, a LOT to like about what currently exists at Tralee.  So perhaps, we have the basis for some discussion....

Bart

chicago area...playing tomorrow 53 and sunny 

will try to get to warmer climes to play this winter... probably not se this year though...