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Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group / Re: What would be the Antithesis of the Great GCA Triumvirate's Golf Course Designs
« Last post by Ben Stephens on Today at 08:08:16 AM »I have said this before, Doak is all over the map with his designs. The variety of styles and terrain is about as varied as one could hope for. Beyond Doak, there are all sorts of different size courses being built. Pay more attention to terrain and land use rather than bunker style.
I would also say that the Fazios and Nicklauses are still ploughing their trade. Dig deeper and you will find different styles out there.
So, I will push back against your premise. Why would I possibly want a design trend which focuses on good land (often sand based), attention to detail design and produces courses of all sizes to come to an end? My problem is more that a very small number of these designs are affordable or accessible.
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We may see things in a different way for me the 3vate GCA's work are very similar in terms of shaping across the spectrum some courses may look different from a wider eye however if you go closer down to the details it is similar.
I could name a few who have similar design approaches/trends in similar eras
Bob Cupp, Robert Von Hagge, Pete Dye and Desmond Muirhead have produced different ideas which are more out of the box compared with 'regular' golf course designs.
Trent Joneses, Fazio and Nicklaus are similar - 7000 yard tracks.
Colt, Simpson and Braid are similar
Ross and Flynn are similar
CBM and Mackenzie are polar opposites design wise and appearance of their courses are different.
Currently there is not one that stands out to be the polar opposite to the current Great 3vate GCAs (Andrew Green may be the nearest however some of his work is similar). I have not seen a golf course design that makes me jump out of my seat (a few buildings have) - I guess my standards may be too high.
Well, I can’t agree that Colt, Simpson and Braid were similar.
Out of curiosity, what does an opposite design look like today?
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Colt Braid and Simpson courses look similar however play a bit different only a few of us will notice it not the everyday golfer - sometimes it could be down to construction approaches that they had at the time working with their limitations. These days a lot more can be done.
The opposite - it probably would be artificial - look at the proposed buildings in Saudi Arabia - Gidori for one - building wise however the course is being done by Nicklaus which is not a golf course version of the proposed building
https://www.neom.com/en-us/regions/magna/gidori
This building proposal made me jump out of my seat as a student Peter Eisenman's Musee Du Quai Branly competition entry - it was 2nd in the competition which was won by Jean Nouvel that was built. However its forms created by computer and we do have construction techniques to form these shapes I have often though could this form create one or a few holes
https://eisenmanarchitects.com/Musee-du-quai-Branly-1999
There are other design ideas from Zaha Hadid, Charles Jencks, Piet Oudolf with nature and Enric Miralles with artistic land forms.
https://www.zaha-hadid.com/architecture/landesgardenschau-landscape-formation-one/
This may be far fetched for many on this site.
