Outside of Stephanie Wei what good has ever come from an Ivy League golf team? Doesn’t the true spirit of the game call for golf to be an intramural sport?
Brown's endowment is $4.2 Billion - there doesn't have to be much of a return for the school to do anything it wants without worrying about the cost. Consider that they charge $60k in tuition and fees with overall cost nearly $80k per year.
Brown's endowment is $4.2 Billion - there doesn't have to be much of a return for the school to do anything it wants without worrying about the cost. Consider that they charge $60k in tuition and fees with overall cost nearly $80k per year.
How on earth could a golf team at an Ivy be cut?
i get it at a struggling private(most) or state university
Very easily. Ivies have budgets just like any other school or corporation for that matter. Bottom line? The school decided that having a golf team wasn't that important in the whole scheme of things and that money was better spent somewhere else.They simply made the decision that golf would be better off as a club sport. I doubt that dropping golf will hurt alum donations because if it did they wouldn't have done it, trust me :) [size=78%] [/size]Brown's endowment is $4.2 Billion - there doesn't have to be much of a return for the school to do anything it wants without worrying about the cost. Consider that they charge $60k in tuition and fees with overall cost nearly $80k per year.
How on earth could a golf team at an Ivy be cut?
i get it at a struggling private(most) or state university
It would seem the overhead for such a program would be negligible.
It would seem the overhead for such a program would be negligible.
When at school has to cut 20% of next years budget these sports are the first to go. I work at the University of Delaware and they are anticipating 20% cut for next FY. I’ve heard from my parent that University of Louisville is expecting 25%+. If your Dept. doesnt make money you’re on the chopping block at this point
It would seem the overhead for such a program would be negligible.
When at school has to cut 20% of next years budget these sports are the first to go. I work at the University of Delaware and they are anticipating 20% cut for next FY. I’ve heard from my parent that University of Louisville is expecting 25%+. If your Dept. doesnt make money you’re on the chopping block at this point
John-I think it’s an apples and oranges comparison between a state university and one of the ivy schools for purposes of endowments and or fundraising to capitalize any of the sports programs. Maybe a trend is beginning but I’m going to wait and see if one of the other Ivy schools makes any similar decisions on the golf front.
If I’m a bettor I think this will get reversed. I’m not saying for 20/21 but not long thereafter.Tim-
If I’m a bettor I think this will get reversed. I’m not saying for 20/21 but not long thereafter.Tim-
You may be correct, but I doubt it. Maybe if the program had a stronger history than it does some influential alums could get involved and try to bring it back but I think it makes it much easier to justify cutting a program when there such little history of success. Let's be honest, they have been an Ivy League bottom feeder not for years but decades. Not sure why they haven't been more competitive but they simply have not. I'm not saying this is the right decision but if an athletic department is cutting costs it would be tough to argue this is a mistake.
Just my opinion. I hope you're well.
-John
Losing their home course probably didn’t help. Thank you, Brad Faxon.
As Ivy League schools don't offer athletic scholarships, this isn't a huge money savings nor done for Title IX reasons. To be fair to Brown Uni, these were only 2 of the 11 that were dropped. Won't be the last university to cut, just one of the first to announce as universities are feeling the pinch from lost revenue in several areas.This is far from the first. East Carolina cut several sports a couple of weeks ago, including men's tennis. Appalachian State cut men's tennis, men's soccer, and indoor track this past week. Furman has cut several sports, most notably baseball, which Furman has been playing since 1891. There is going to a LOT of this going forward, and if there is even one season of poor football attendance aznd related giving, there will be dominoes falling all over the country.
Men’s and women’s fencing, women’s skiing, men’s and women’s squash, women’s equestrian, men’s indoor track and field, men’s outdoor track and field and men’s cross country will all transition to club status, along with the golf teams. Women’s sailing and coed sailing will transition from club to varsity status.
It would seem the overhead for such a program would be negligible.
When at school has to cut 20% of next years budget these sports are the first to go. I work at the University of Delaware and they are anticipating 20% cut for next FY. I’ve heard from my parent that University of Louisville is expecting 25%+. If your Dept. doesnt make money you’re on the chopping block at this point
John-I think it’s an apples and oranges comparison between a state university and one of the ivy schools for purposes of endowments and or fundraising to capitalize any of the sports programs. Maybe a trend is beginning but I’m going to wait and see if one of the other Ivy schools makes any similar decisions on the golf front.
How is it apples to oranges? Non-Revenue generating sport are ALWAYS the first to go regardless of school or endowment.
As Ivy League schools don't offer athletic scholarships, this isn't a huge money savings nor done for Title IX reasons. To be fair to Brown Uni, these were only 2 of the 11 that were dropped. Won't be the last university to cut, just one of the first to announce as universities are feeling the pinch from lost revenue in several areas.This is far from the first. East Carolina cut several sports a couple of weeks ago, including men's tennis. Appalachian State cut men's tennis, men's soccer, and indoor track this past week. Furman has cut several sports, most notably baseball, which Furman has been playing since 1891. There is going to a LOT of this going forward, and if there is even one season of poor football attendance aznd related giving, there will be dominoes falling all over the country.
Men’s and women’s fencing, women’s skiing, men’s and women’s squash, women’s equestrian, men’s indoor track and field, men’s outdoor track and field and men’s cross country will all transition to club status, along with the golf teams. Women’s sailing and coed sailing will transition from club to varsity status.
As to endowments and day-to-day athletic spending, I wouldn't necessarily conflate the two. The conditions on endowment spending are pretty restrictive, and often limit dollars to capital improvements and strictly academic pursuits, including research and faculty chairs. I would be surprised if many endowments around the country were able to be used to buy golf balls or pay coaches.
And fwiw, as bad as things might get in college athletics, high schools could be far worse. Again, a failure in football gates for a lot of schools will be a disaster throughout the athletic program, especially with a lot the normal avenues for sport specific fund raising closed.
Sports have been cut other than golf, but this is the first golf program I'm aware of during the response to the pandemic. Again it won't be the last.As Ivy League schools don't offer athletic scholarships, this isn't a huge money savings nor done for Title IX reasons. To be fair to Brown Uni, these were only 2 of the 11 that were dropped. Won't be the last university to cut, just one of the first to announce as universities are feeling the pinch from lost revenue in several areas.This is far from the first. East Carolina cut several sports a couple of weeks ago, including men's tennis. Appalachian State cut men's tennis, men's soccer, and indoor track this past week. Furman has cut several sports, most notably baseball, which Furman has been playing since 1891. There is going to a LOT of this going forward, and if there is even one season of poor football attendance and related giving, there will be dominoes falling all over the country.As to endowments and day-to-day athletic spending, I wouldn't necessarily conflate the two. The conditions on endowment spending are pretty restrictive, and often limit dollars to capital improvements and strictly academic pursuits, including research and faculty chairs. I would be surprised if many endowments around the country were able to be used to buy golf balls or pay coaches.
Men’s and women’s fencing, women’s skiing, men’s and women’s squash, women’s equestrian, men’s indoor track and field, men’s outdoor track and field and men’s cross country will all transition to club status, along with the golf teams. Women’s sailing and coed sailing will transition from club to varsity status.
And fwiw, as bad as things might get in college athletics, high schools could be far worse. Again, a failure in football gates for a lot of schools will be a disaster throughout the athletic program, especially with a lot the normal avenues for sport specific fund raising closed.
Well since the Ivies don't give athletic scholarships you could argue that everyone is a walk-on. Trust me when I tell you that the Ivies or any of these other elite schools are not having trouble finding kids who pay full freight. I live in a college town in upstate NY where the cost all in is $72k per year and these kids drive Range Rovers. They don't need kids from these sports to keep the lights on, trust me.As Ivy League schools don't offer athletic scholarships, this isn't a huge money savings nor done for Title IX reasons. To be fair to Brown Uni, these were only 2 of the 11 that were dropped. Won't be the last university to cut, just one of the first to announce as universities are feeling the pinch from lost revenue in several areas.This is far from the first. East Carolina cut several sports a couple of weeks ago, including men's tennis. Appalachian State cut men's tennis, men's soccer, and indoor track this past week. Furman has cut several sports, most notably baseball, which Furman has been playing since 1891. There is going to a LOT of this going forward, and if there is even one season of poor football attendance aznd related giving, there will be dominoes falling all over the country.
Men’s and women’s fencing, women’s skiing, men’s and women’s squash, women’s equestrian, men’s indoor track and field, men’s outdoor track and field and men’s cross country will all transition to club status, along with the golf teams. Women’s sailing and coed sailing will transition from club to varsity status.
As to endowments and day-to-day athletic spending, I wouldn't necessarily conflate the two. The conditions on endowment spending are pretty restrictive, and often limit dollars to capital improvements and strictly academic pursuits, including research and faculty chairs. I would be surprised if many endowments around the country were able to be used to buy golf balls or pay coaches.
And fwiw, as bad as things might get in college athletics, high schools could be far worse. Again, a failure in football gates for a lot of schools will be a disaster throughout the athletic program, especially with a lot the normal avenues for sport specific fund raising closed.
Brown ain't East Carolina...
You cut golf,squash, fencing, equestrian I'm pretty sure you've lost a lot of students (at least as recruits)who actually pay full freight.
Many kids are invited to "walk on" at elite schools BECAUSE they pay full freight
Univ's are getting lazy. How hard would it be to get a private sponsor for the golf teams. Titleist, Callaway, or many others. Little League teams have been using sponsors for expenses since I was a kid. Remember Manny's Bail Bonds from Bad News Bears! LOL
I dealt with athletic budgets in big high schools for 40 years, and the money involved is significant and hard to come by in the best of times.HS Athletic Director? My dad was as well.
I don't think you can compare an Ivy League school with almost any public university. They don't give athletic scholarships so the athletics are no different from anything else like music or drama, etc. I have a friend whose son was offered a full scholarship to play baseball at Wake Forest but he chose instead to go to Brown and his dad paid the full tuition, etc. On the other hand my neighbor was an all state basketball player from Ohio and Princeton really wanted him. They gave him a full scholarship which was supposed to be based upon need and when he got there he decided not to play basketball and they could do nothing about it. I would also think that the college admissions scandal establishes that these schools are in such demand that they can charge whatever they want and people will pay it.
I was never the AD; taught and coached for 39 years. Basketball the whole time, tennis early in my career, golf late in my career, and a little bit of other stuff here and there.I dealt with athletic budgets in big high schools for 40 years, and the money involved is significant and hard to come by in the best of times.HS Athletic Director? My dad was as well.
I was never the AD; taught and coached for 39 years. Basketball the whole time, tennis early in my career, golf late in my career, and a little bit of other stuff here and there.I dealt with athletic budgets in big high schools for 40 years, and the money involved is significant and hard to come by in the best of times.HS Athletic Director? My dad was as well.
So here's an example of financing issues, though we're talking about HS instead of college. For basketball, the county paid coaching supplements, bus drivers, gatekeepers and security, and game officials. EVERYTHING else, uniforms, basketballs, water bottles, towels, tape, and on and on, came out of school funds, which either had to be from gate receipts, privately donated, or raised through things like golf tournaments or Shoot-A-Thons or whatever. Some of this varies a bit from system to system, but that's the gist of it. The affiliation with a shoe company came along very late in my career, and it helped for sure, but that stuff wasn't free; it just had a far better price, plus the company threw in some shoes and warmups for the coaches as part of the deal.
Our athletic program budget was so tied to football gates that a season with bad weather on Friday nights, or a season where we didn't play our archrivals as home games, made things really difficult, and that was in a BIG metro system in a very affluent area.
Colleges aren't that different, especially if you get beyond the handful of teams that you see on TV year round in football and basketball. Everything else is a financial black hole. We all see the numbers of what Nike is paying coaches at the big time schools, but that has nothing to do with most sports even at those schools, and nothing to do with most schools. The vast majority of college athletic programs have more in common with high schools than with Alabama or Duke or UNC or Clemson or Kentucky.
One other thing to consider: Most of the programs that are currently being cut are men's programs, and I think in many cases schools have wanted to cut men's teams for some time, but colleges are doing this NOW because there is sort of a PR window open because of the pandemic. In addition to reducing their budgets, they are dealing with Title IX disparities. (I have no idea how Title IX applies to Brown, but I wouldn't assume that it doesn't apply if Brown is taking any federal money at all for any part of university operations.)
If there is another wave of program shutdowns, it'll come later after college AD's see the outcomes of 2020 football and 2020-21 basketball, plus impacts of the pandemic on giving. That's where the real crisis will come.
I was never the AD; taught and coached for 39 years. Basketball the whole time, tennis early in my career, golf late in my career, and a little bit of other stuff here and there.I dealt with athletic budgets in big high schools for 40 years, and the money involved is significant and hard to come by in the best of times.HS Athletic Director? My dad was as well.
So here's an example of financing issues, though we're talking about HS instead of college. For basketball, the county paid coaching supplements, bus drivers, gatekeepers and security, and game officials. EVERYTHING else, uniforms, basketballs, water bottles, towels, tape, and on and on, came out of school funds, which either had to be from gate receipts, privately donated, or raised through things like golf tournaments or Shoot-A-Thons or whatever. Some of this varies a bit from system to system, but that's the gist of it. The affiliation with a shoe company came along very late in my career, and it helped for sure, but that stuff wasn't free; it just had a far better price, plus the company threw in some shoes and warmups for the coaches as part of the deal.
Our athletic program budget was so tied to football gates that a season with bad weather on Friday nights, or a season where we didn't play our archrivals as home games, made things really difficult, and that was in a BIG metro system in a very affluent area.
Colleges aren't that different, especially if you get beyond the handful of teams that you see on TV year round in football and basketball. Everything else is a financial black hole. We all see the numbers of what Nike is paying coaches at the big time schools, but that has nothing to do with most sports even at those schools, and nothing to do with most schools. The vast majority of college athletic programs have more in common with high schools than with Alabama or Duke or UNC or Clemson or Kentucky.
One other thing to consider: Most of the programs that are currently being cut are men's programs, and I think in many cases schools have wanted to cut men's teams for some time, but colleges are doing this NOW because there is sort of a PR window open because of the pandemic. In addition to reducing their budgets, they are dealing with Title IX disparities. (I have no idea how Title IX applies to Brown, but I wouldn't assume that it doesn't apply if Brown is taking any federal money at all for any part of university operations.)
If there is another wave of program shutdowns, it'll come later after college AD's see the outcomes of 2020 football and 2020-21 basketball, plus impacts of the pandemic on giving. That's where the real crisis will come.
I know several girls who are rowing in college(at least one on a scholarship) who had never rowed a day in their lives(and weren't athletic in HS). There are more college rowers that there are High School rowers...
this coming from the father of two athletic girls.
We got a long follow-up email from President Paxson today with some interesting tidbits. For instance, I did not know that prior to this, Brown's 38 varsity teams were the third most in the country. I did not hang out with the athletes, and my story of attending one football, one hockey, and one basketball game in four years always gets a chuckle.38 teams is a lot, for sure; I'd guess the average around the country is more like 20 to 25, with more schools below 20 than above 25.
The school is 53% women, which creates a bizarro Title IX world in which the men's track program, a pillar of the Diversity and Inclusion Action Plan Phase II, did not stand a chance. Will Brown be the one that ditches football and opts out of the Ivy League? A wise man once told me it's the most valuable brand in the world . . .
AG, a couple things as scholarships are actually a very small part of it. When talking college athletics there are a small percentage of athletes that even get any form of an athletic scholarship. The rest actually have a net positive on the university as they are actually paying tuition like a normal student (minus any need based funding). I just looked up the figures and here they are. https://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting/how-to-get-recruited/college-divisions (https://www.ncsasports.org/recruiting/how-to-get-recruited/college-divisions)
Scholarships at the college level are only one piece of it, and not necessarily the biggest one.
Odd story....
Today I happen to see a ball land on the 18th green out of the corner of my eye while waiting to tee off #1. The ball flew over the flag on a downwind shot to a front to back green and held quite nicely. I said the chap must be a very good golfer. Ends up he plays at S Carolina Aiken. 9 guys, only 3 from US and 6 international. No walk ons...all have a scholarship to some degree...his was 80% I think he said...which is the most offered. Less than 3500 students and golf is one of the five men's sports on offer. I guess it comes down to priorities. No female team...they have six other sports.
Ciao
Odd story....
Today I happen to see a ball land on the 18th green out of the corner of my eye while waiting to tee off #1. The ball flew over the flag on a downwind shot to a front to back green and held quite nicely. I said the chap must be a very good golfer. Ends up he plays at S Carolina Aiken. 9 guys, only 3 from US and 6 international. No walk ons...all have a scholarship to some degree...his was 80% I think he said...which is the most offered. Less than 3500 students and golf is one of the five men's sports on offer. I guess it comes down to priorities. No female team...they have six other sports.
Ciao
Division 2.
Athletic Scholarships available, generally not bastions of acadamia (exception Bentley outside Boston)
USC Aiken would be on the extreme opposite end of the scale from Brown-academically and athletically.
Make no mistake though, even/especially schools that don't offer athletic scholarships find "academic scholarships or financial aid" for a recruitable athlete.
Some really good players have come through there-4 players currently on the PGA Tour, and many before.
Home course Palmetto-They have won multiple D-2 National Championships.
Odd story....
Today I happen to see a ball land on the 18th green out of the corner of my eye while waiting to tee off #1. The ball flew over the flag on a downwind shot to a front to back green and held quite nicely. I said the chap must be a very good golfer. Ends up he plays at S Carolina Aiken. 9 guys, only 3 from US and 6 international. No walk ons...all have a scholarship to some degree...his was 80% I think he said...which is the most offered. Less than 3500 students and golf is one of the five men's sports on offer. I guess it comes down to priorities. No female team...they have six other sports.
Ciao
Division 2.
Athletic Scholarships available, generally not bastions of acadamia (exception Bentley outside Boston)
USC Aiken would be on the extreme opposite end of the scale from Brown-academically and athletically.
Make no mistake though, even/especially schools that don't offer athletic scholarships find "academic scholarships or financial aid" for a recruitable athlete.
Some really good players have come through there-4 players currently on the PGA Tour, and many before.
Home course Palmetto-They have won multiple D-2 National Championships.
Yes, the kid said they are #5 in the country and could compete with most Div 1 schools.
I agree, Ivy League etc may not call it athletic scholarship, but they find ways to pay for bright jocks.
Ciao
Odd story....
Today I happen to see a ball land on the 18th green out of the corner of my eye while waiting to tee off #1. The ball flew over the flag on a downwind shot to a front to back green and held quite nicely. I said the chap must be a very good golfer. Ends up he plays at S Carolina Aiken. 9 guys, only 3 from US and 6 international. No walk ons...all have a scholarship to some degree...his was 80% I think he said...which is the most offered. Less than 3500 students and golf is one of the five men's sports on offer. I guess it comes down to priorities. No female team...they have six other sports.
Ciao
Division 2.
Athletic Scholarships available, generally not bastions of acadamia (exception Bentley outside Boston)
USC Aiken would be on the extreme opposite end of the scale from Brown-academically and athletically.
Make no mistake though, even/especially schools that don't offer athletic scholarships find "academic scholarships or financial aid" for a recruitable athlete.
Some really good players have come through there-4 players currently on the PGA Tour, and many before.
Home course Palmetto-They have won multiple D-2 National Championships.
Yes, the kid said they are #5 in the country and could compete with most Div 1 schools.
I agree, Ivy League etc may not call it athletic scholarship, but they find ways to pay for bright jocks.
Ciao
Not just Ivy league, whose endowments find ways for many kids (many that aren't athletes) to receive financial aid, especially D-3 schools, who give no athletic scholarships, but plenty of academic or financial aid packages to athletes.
Many foreign students play sports at D2 schools because grades or poor test scores(or lack of) held them up at D-1 Colleges(or in their case because they recruit heavily overseas-as does Augusta State)
Sean for private universities obviously the funds aren't public.Odd story....
Today I happen to see a ball land on the 18th green out of the corner of my eye while waiting to tee off #1. The ball flew over the flag on a downwind shot to a front to back green and held quite nicely. I said the chap must be a very good golfer. Ends up he plays at S Carolina Aiken. 9 guys, only 3 from US and 6 international. No walk ons...all have a scholarship to some degree...his was 80% I think he said...which is the most offered. Less than 3500 students and golf is one of the five men's sports on offer. I guess it comes down to priorities. No female team...they have six other sports.
Ciao
Division 2.
Athletic Scholarships available, generally not bastions of acadamia (exception Bentley outside Boston)
USC Aiken would be on the extreme opposite end of the scale from Brown-academically and athletically.
Make no mistake though, even/especially schools that don't offer athletic scholarships find "academic scholarships or financial aid" for a recruitable athlete.
Some really good players have come through there-4 players currently on the PGA Tour, and many before.
Home course Palmetto-They have won multiple D-2 National Championships.
Yes, the kid said they are #5 in the country and could compete with most Div 1 schools.
I agree, Ivy League etc may not call it athletic scholarship, but they find ways to pay for bright jocks.
Ciao
Not just Ivy league, whose endowments find ways for many kids (many that aren't athletes) to receive financial aid, especially D-3 schools, who give no athletic scholarships, but plenty of academic or financial aid packages to athletes.
Many foreign students play sports at D2 schools because grades or poor test scores(or lack of) held them up at D-1 Colleges(or in their case because they recruit heavily overseas-as does Augusta State)
To be honest what rankles me is athletic scholarships for foreign students. I am not convinced that is good use of public funds.
Ciao
Yes, there is a long tradition of diverting funds toward athletics in the US. I have never been a fan of the system at big time universities. In any case, it's hard to argue that golf (most sports for that matter) adds anything to campus life that it couldn't as a club sport. It seems especially harsh when a public university hands out athletic scholarships to foreigners when in state students could surely use the money. But, as I say, I am very much against the current college sports system.Sean,
Ciao
Don't know anything about youth golf, but my experience as father and uncle is that intercollegiate athletics have contributed greatly to the perversion of other youth sports in US. Not just at D1 level but also at Ivies, Patriot and NESCAC schools in pursuit not of $$ but of status. We have effectively created a system of professional athletics at obscenely young ages.Bernie,
Kalen -
Glad it worked out so well for her and for you. What I've seen was more mixed. I've seen elite level athletes (elite regional/national club teams in 2 sports) facing constant pressure -- from professional coaches and teammates and parents -- to commit to one or the other, and often in soccer to forego HS sports entirely . . . . from the sixth grade. You know the drill -- we need to get into this league to get into that tournament so that next year we can get to that league and that tournament etc etc. And I've seen elite kids who did fully commit to one sport with the intensity needed to "go D1," most often with regret. I did the math at one point for the age group I knew the best in girls soccer, and even among those who achieved their (or their parents') HS desire to play D1 in college, the retention rate after 2 seasons was around 10-15%. If they love it, great, but it's certainly not always that way.
Kalen -
Glad it worked out so well for her and for you. What I've seen was more mixed. I've seen elite level athletes (elite regional/national club teams in 2 sports) facing constant pressure -- from professional coaches and teammates and parents -- to commit to one or the other, and often in soccer to forego HS sports entirely . . . . from the sixth grade. You know the drill -- we need to get into this league to get into that tournament so that next year we can get to that league and that tournament etc etc. And I've seen elite kids who did fully commit to one sport with the intensity needed to "go D1," most often with regret. I did the math at one point for the age group I knew the best in girls soccer, and even among those who achieved their (or their parents') HS desire to play D1 in college, the retention rate after 2 seasons was around 10-15%. If they love it, great, but it's certainly not always that way.
Soccer is definitely a closed shop for the most part in America, with the process you describe above being the norm.
So sad-
The "soccer" travel model ruined Little league as well with all the "elite" traveling and having little time for local town leagues.
never made sense to me for 11 year old mediocre kids to drive 6 hours, stay in a hotel and play against other well heeled over coached mediocre kids.
Spend that driving time practicing and doing something else....
Sadly College Coaches push for it because it's one stop shopping.
Golf has gotten just as silly which makes even less sense, given that you are only competing against the course.
Complicated question.
I played Little League for 6 years and youth soccer for 5 years back in the 70s and 80s. The most travel we ever did was our side of the city, or theirs, for soccer games. I always assumed those options still existed for the masses, and the year round travel teams as optional for the hardcore kids. Are you saying kids today must decide to be all in on a travel team or nothing?
Jeff,
My nephew is committed to Utah State's Basketball team and that's basically how it went for him. In our chats over the years he did reveal a few perspectives...
1) Why play in relatively meaningless high school games with no recruiters and risk injury. He's from California, and his HS team wasn't even competitive in its league, much less beyond. He did play for them team but sat a lot after asking the coach to let the other guys get playing time.
2) Frustration with team mates who couldn't do simple things like pass effectively, rebound, run plays, etc.
3) He had a lot more fun playing with and against competition at his level and really getting engaged in the games and practices.
Jeff,
My nephew is committed to Utah State's Basketball team and that's basically how it went for him. In our chats over the years he did reveal a few perspectives...
1) Why play in relatively meaningless high school games with no recruiters and risk injury. He's from California, and his HS team wasn't even competitive in its league, much less beyond. He did play for them team but sat a lot after asking the coach to let the other guys get playing time.
2) Frustration with team mates who couldn't do simple things like pass effectively, rebound, run plays, etc.
3) He had a lot more fun playing with and against competition at his level and really getting engaged in the games and practices.
Hope he makes the NBA because your nephew is gonna hate the workplace.
Grow up and choose between a STEM education or playing some half ass sport.
It is for the youth of America that are falling behind the rest of the world.
The Ivy League has cancelled their fall sports season
Dartmouth College is eliminating five varsity athletic teams and 15 staff positions, including eight coaches, to help ease a budget deficit made worse by the Covid-19 pandemic.[/size]The Ivy League school is dropping men’s and women’s swimming and diving, men’s and women’s golf, and men’s lightweight rowing. The changes immediately affect about 110 students and reduces varsity teams to 30, the college said in a statement (https://news.dartmouth.edu/news/2020/07/dartmouth-announces-changes-varsity-athletics-program) Thursday. The number of recruited athletes in incoming classes will be cut by 10%.Dartmouth is also permanently closing its Hanover Country Club, located at the college-owned golf course, after years of operating at a loss and with deficits expected to swell to $1 million annually.