Golf Club Atlas
GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: MCirba on April 30, 2020, 03:20:40 PM
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As a collector of scorecards since I started the game back on July 13, 1971, I've been somewhat concerned in recent years that such needless expense would be going the way of the dinosaur due to technology and online scoring.
With the pandemic, this seems more likely to happen sooner than I'd feared. I can see much like music no longer needing to be anything but virtual and cloud based, the added potential of passing germs on a surface such as a scorecard may be the tipping point.
Still, as someone who collected a card from every course I've played (1,132 to date), plus have another big box of different style cards from courses I played more than once, and another of courses I never played but still acquired a scorecard, I find it a sad soon to come passing. I find them to be valuable memorable souvenirs that a virtual log could never really sentimentally replace.
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You just can't keep track of a betting game on electronic devices. I don't even write numbers down on a card any longer because I don't think it is anyones business what I shoot. I use a - for a birdie and a \ for a bogey. There is no way I'm going to input score and money on an electronic GPS module so the boys behind the counter can track who is winning or losing. It's bad enough they know how fast we are playing. One good thing about this pandemic, it is revitalizing the art of privacy.
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You choice of memorabilia from golf courses is certainly more convenient and storable than mine; however, I think my choice has more longevity in golf, both in history and the future- golf balls.
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You just can't keep track of a betting game on electronic devices.
Oh, pshaw. They used to say the same thing about voting, but the Democrats proved that to be silly in Iowa this year. ;)
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You just can't keep track of a betting game on electronic devices. I don't even write numbers down on a card any longer because I don't think it is anyones business what I shoot. I use a - for a birdie and a \ for a bogey. There is no way I'm going to input score and money on an electronic GPS module so the boys behind the counter can track who is winning or losing. It's bad enough they know how fast we are playing. One good thing about this pandemic, it is revitalizing the art of privacy.
John, I'm somewhat surprised to learn you don't make your opponents settle up after every hole...
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I had a small collection of yardage books that became obsolete with the advent of GPS. The only one that remains is the one from Sunnylands, the Annenberg estate course in La Quinta, CA, designed by Dick Wilson in 1965 with a recent renovation by Jackson/Kahn
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You just can't keep track of a betting game on electronic devices. I don't even write numbers down on a card any longer because I don't think it is anyones business what I shoot. I use a - for a birdie and a \ for a bogey. There is no way I'm going to input score and money on an electronic GPS module so the boys behind the counter can track who is winning or losing. It's bad enough they know how fast we are playing. One good thing about this pandemic, it is revitalizing the art of privacy.
John, I'm somewhat surprised to learn you don't make your opponents settle up after every hole...
The only thing better than beating a buddy is beating him for more than he's got. An ATM resides in the clubhouse for emergencies.
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I don't remember seeing an ATM machine in Merion's club house.
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I don't remember seeing an ATM machine in Merion's club house.
This would be the perfect time to be a member of Merion. How long can the excuse that we aren't allowing guest play hold up? I'm not a member but if I was I'd just hit up Wayne for a loan.
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We are drifting far afield from the topic...all good. Stay safe, friends.
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I think, like the handshake, the death of scorecards is very premature.
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I think, like the handshake, the death of scorecards is very premature.
I hope you're right on both counts, Erik.
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Read somewhere that the PGA Tour feels shot link technology is near the forefront on essential services for the return of tour play.
The reason is the nexus of that with their gambling technology. Which begs the question of what happens to any wager if what clearly happens is at odds with a score caused by scorecard error. My bet is the scorecard is the loser, or at least some gambler or gambling house will take something to court.
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When I was on vacation in Australia earlier this year I ran across a system where the pro-shop would print out an individual card, which would show tees, handicap for that round, etc. Player would keep score and then scan the card into a reader where it would be attested and accepted. I think it might have been similar to MiClub's MiScore app, which is used at Royal Melbourneand about 30 other Australian courses.
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I think, like the handshake, the death of scorecards is very premature.
I hope you're right on both counts, Erik.
I think I may just be done with handshakes....
Cause the one thing I'm reminded of almost daily in the last two months....is how bad the flu is....
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I think, like the handshake, the death of scorecards is very premature.
+1.
Deferred for brief period of time until the freak out subsides.
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I would not have believed that private clubs would give up the fight on tucked shirts. The handshake is toast.
I'm not all that interested in practicing an ancient custom with some hat donning flip flop wearing untucked 28 handicap over a can of beer.
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The “attest” or witness part of scoring requiring an additional signature on the card will be at issue in the near term.
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The Saturday quota/skins game I play in resumes tomorrow, with scoring being done on the GolfGenius app. I've been given the option - and declined it - to use the app in a couple tournaments in the last couple years, but tomorrow it's mandatory. It will be interesting to see how it all goes.
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When I was on vacation in Australia earlier this year I ran across a system where the pro-shop would print out an individual card, which would show tees, handicap for that round, etc.
Yes, I have seen some crazy things like that in Australia and New Zealand both.
One scorecard had ovals to blacken for your score for each hole, comparable to standardized tests in America, so it could be read by an optical scanner.
I first saw the bespoke printing of scorecards at a small club in NZ that had been doing some renovation work. They printed a scorecard for the day that took into account not just the tee of the day, but also the hole location! And so you had the hole location right on the card instead of needing a pin sheet.
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When I was on vacation in Australia earlier this year I ran across a system where the pro-shop would print out an individual card, which would show tees, handicap for that round, etc.
Yes, I have seen some crazy things like that in Australia and New Zealand both.
One scorecard had ovals to blacken for your score for each hole, comparable to standardized tests in America, so it could be read by an optical scanner.
I first saw the bespoke printing of scorecards at a small club in NZ that had been doing some renovation work. They printed a scorecard for the day that took into account not just the tee of the day, but also the hole location! And so you had the hole location right on the card instead of needing a pin sheet.
I forwarded the system with ovals to blacken for your score to our state golf association, thinking it would solve some problems
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Our club is having our first men's club tournament this soggy day. At the end of the round you are supposed to take a picture of the scorecard and forward that to the people in charge.
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Our club is having our first men's club tournament this soggy day. At the end of the round you are supposed to take a picture of the scorecard and forward that to the people in charge.
Does a ball have to come to rest in a hole to count?
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Our club is having our first men's club tournament this soggy day. At the end of the round you are supposed to take a picture of the scorecard and forward that to the people in charge.
Does a ball have to come to rest in a hole to count?
That's a great question john. Even on the macro level, if you hit a worm burner screamer on a par 3 and it hits the upside down cup...is that a HIO when no way in hell it goes in otherwise, and likely wouldn't even result in a birdie?
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Our club is having our first men's club tournament this soggy day. At the end of the round you are supposed to take a picture of the scorecard and forward that to the people in charge.
Does a ball have to come to rest in a hole to count?
Since every cup-liner is raised an inch above the green it would be rather stupid to have it rest in the hole to count. Since I am not playing, and have no financial outcome, I don't care what are the rules of the day.
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Thanks. I wouldn't play either.
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We need to be very careful not to lose touch with the difficulty of putting. It's bad enough playing against people who don't know how or refuse to take a proper drop. I'm not getting into a pick up basketball game where a guy screams foul on every missed shot and swears the ball touched the hole and then screams social distancing as we converge on his lying ass.
Play for fun under these trying times. Don't vlog your scorecard to anyone who will watch.
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Only one club in my area decided to use raised cup liners. All the others are using something in the cup to make it shallower so the ball drops in. The club with the raised liners has an unusual rule. If you strike the liner, the ball is considered holed unless the ball rebounds away more than 24 inches away. Amazing how weird things are getting. :(
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We have our cups set in to the green at the regulation depth, with a foam piece around the flagstick such that the ball drops about an inch into the cup. I've played courses with the raised cup so the ball bounces off. This system is much better. If the ball actually drops down onto the foam, then hops out it counts. Sure, you can argue about whether the ball would have actually dropped, but the idea that if it hit the raised plastic liner its in is silly. An back to scorecards- I think they will hang around. I like to write down the scores with a pencil. I can track matches, individual games, and my putts ( keep track of your own!).
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The foam method (pool noodle piece) has been abandoned around here due to some putts bouncing back out. The standard now seems to be a piece of pvc pipe 2” diameter and 2 5/8th” long with the flag stick placed thru it. Very high tech! Seems to be the perfect height for ball to drop but still be retrieved without much contact. Seems perfectly normal after a month. Another bonus has been the retraining of the minority of players that still insisted on removing the flag for putting. Since the rule change, there seemed to be at least one guy in each group that said the rule was stupid. They wanted to look like a real player. That “guy” is now being assimilated and speeding up play. 8)