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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: Evan_Green on August 23, 2018, 12:11:47 AM
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Cant tell you how excited I am to watch this...and Shadow Creek being such a rare venue to see on TV...would love to hear others thoughts... does the course favor either player?
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If this heralds a return of the "Shell's WWoG" format I couldn't be more pleased. I love watching the old games from the 60s.
The 90's reincarnation was fine - spoiled for me however by the abandonment of matchplay and the introduction of 18 hole strokeplay games. Matchplay is by far the superior format for such challenge matches, with all the additional tactics and dynamics involved.
What is the format of the Woods - Mickelson challenge?
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It will be " Pay Per View" and....Mickelson said the format would be match play, and details are being worked out that would allow for various challenges during the match, such as longest drive, closest to the hole, longest putt and closest out of a bunker.
https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/tiger-woods-vs-phil-mickelson-heads-up-thanksgiving-weekend-ppv-showdown-set-for-las-vegas/
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So it's matchplay.
That makes it interesting. I suspect that matchplay favours Mickelson...
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Matchplay is by far the superior format for such challenge matches, with all the additional tactics and dynamics involved.
Which tactic was that? The off-camera improvements of lie or the glossing over holes worth of play, supposedly for TV time?
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PPV...interesting
Bit surprised by that. Sure I would have paid for that...when they were in thier primes. Will be interesting to see how many buys they get for it.
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Cant tell you how excited I am to watch this...and Shadow Creek being such a rare venue to see on TV...would love to hear others thoughts... does the course favor either player?
I have absolutely no excitement for this at all. Silly season is bad enough. Can't wait to hear all the "experts" opine on how this is good for the game of golf.
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Cant tell you how excited I am to watch this...and Shadow Creek being such a rare venue to see on TV...would love to hear others thoughts... does the course favor either player?
I have absolutely no excitement for this at all. Silly season is bad enough. Can't wait to hear all the "experts" opine on how this is good for the game of golf.
Couldn't agree more Double D. And then they expect me to pay an extra $50 or so to watch it? Absurd...
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Have them both drop a bag with $10 mil of their own cash on the first tee before the match, then I'd watch.
Loser gets $0, and has to carry the winner's clubs to the parking lot after the match.
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Have them both drop a bag with $10 mil of their own cash on the first tee before the match, then I'd watch.
Loser gets $0, and has to carry the winner's clubs to the parking lot after the match.
I would add that the loser has to wear Fred Funk's skirt while lugging clubs to parking lot.
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I wasn't planning to watch even if it was on Golf Channel.
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Have them both drop a bag with $10 mil of their own cash on the first tee before the match, then I'd watch.
Loser gets $0, and has to carry the winner's clubs to the parking lot after the match.
They'd both still make tens of millions on the TV rights.
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I really just want to see Phil put Tiger's clubs in the trunk, and watch as Tiger gives him $5, for the effort.
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I really just want to see Phil put Tiger's clubs in the trunk, and watch as Tiger gives him $5, for the effort.
Would have meant something when they were both 1-2 in the world and still had that disdain for each other.
Now? Just a couple of older legends riding off into the sunset doing a huck and shuck...
P.S. I know its $10 Mill and all, but Tiger is worth about $750 Mill, Phil about half that. The $10 Mill doesn't really mean anything to these guys. I think a non monetary bet would have been more interesting...
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I watch the majors somewhat, the Ryder Cup a bit, Presidents Cup less so, and other events strictly for the course. I know I'm weird like that, but pro golf has mostly lost me, which is really saying something bad about the pro game, at least on TV and as an entertainment option.
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Wish I could give credit where it's due, but I saw someone point out on Twitter that that the events that seem to generate some of the most interest are those with the least amount of money on the line ... Ryder Cups, US Am, NCAAs, etc. Maybe that's because match play and the Tiger/Phil thing will still work, but I'm skeptical.
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I would just as soon see a match between Norman and Faldo. I probably wouldn't watch Phil vs. Tiger if they were playing at my club.....for free.
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For me it's about seeing Shadow Creek. My favorite Shell WWoG was the episode between Littler and Nelson because its the only way I'm, probably, ever going to see Pine Valley. I played Shadow Creek last year it was roughly an $850 day. I get to re-live those holes for $20'ish. Worth it to me.
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For me it's about seeing Shadow Creek. My favorite Shell WWoG was the episode between Littler and Nelson because its the only way I'm, probably, ever going to see Pine Valley. I played Shadow Creek last year it was roughly an $850 day. I get to re-live those holes for $20'ish. Worth it to me.
Dan,
The Crump Cup happens every year at PV, if you're goal is to see it as opposed to playing it, which yes is a whole different animal. I think admission is reasonable too. ;)
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TNT/TBS is handling the broadcast for the PPV which means to me it will be on the network eventually and since it is an exhibition I can wait.
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Kalen, you've posted four times just in this thread, which you claim is about a topic you're not interested in. Are you seriously also insisting that you have better things to do Thanksgiving weekend than watch a match on a Doak 8 between the two best players of the last 25 years?
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I enjoy watching golf and I would like to see Tiger and Phil going at it, but the 10 million kinda ruins it for me. I certainly don't want to pay to watch it. They should score well at SC. I wonder if there will be any changes to the course.
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... Are you seriously also insisting that you have better things to do Thanksgiving weekend than watch a match on a Doak 8 between the two best players of the last 25 years?
Anyone who cannot find better things to do than watch this needs to re-evaluate their priorities IMNSHO.
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I really wish they would convert the PGA Championship back to match play. Just think how great a match like this would be if it had a major riding on it. That would mean 10x more to each of these guys than cash.
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The official "poster" tweeted by the PGA Tour this week shows Tiger in a follow through...while holding a LEFT-handed driver. Might be smart to circle back with the intern who photoshopped the image.
For those that have played Shadow Creek, will there be any room for spectators, corporate viewing, any of that? I'm assuming they'll just rope the course and have a small number of people walking along with the players.
How long can the course get?
Are any of the par fives unreachable for these two guys?
Will they ever hit a long iron?
I'm guessing we'll see some recovery shots, as both have some wild moments off the tee.
WW
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I would just as soon see a match between Norman and Faldo. I probably wouldn't watch Phil vs. Tiger if they were playing at my club.....for free.
Come on Jim....really??
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I can't wait to watch. I love golf, and watching two of the all-time greats (even past their prime) compete on a course I am very interested in seems a pretty great way to spend 3 to 4 hours. I think it will be lots of fun.
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I would just as soon see a match between Norman and Faldo. I probably wouldn't watch Phil vs. Tiger if they were playing at my club.....for free.
Come on Jim....really??
But would he watch Phil vs. Tiger at his club for free...and if they used fewer than 14 clubs??
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Frankly, I am completely shocked that the entire purse isn't going to charity, and that charity isn't the main reason for Tiger and Phil to even participate.
I just can't imagine a more perfect scenario for it. It's such an any easy way for them to score some points in the public eye. But the way it's organized at the moment seems almost intentionally to make golf look bad: two insanely wealthy athletes playing for money they don't need on an overly-manicured, exclusive, and expensive course in the desert.
I'm not being naive or holier-than-thou, I'm legitimately surprised and I hope something changes between now and Thanksgiving.
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The winner will be donating the $9M to charity...you can bank that right now...
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Jason,
While I think the event has interest, its the execution and details that are a missed opportunity.
1) PPV? For real? I think they're going to lose a lot of eyeballs who would otherwise check it out.
2) The purse. As I and others have noted, it doesn't really mean anything to them, so why pretend it does? At this point the only thing these guys care about is W's in real events.
3) They could play for something more interesting, ...like loser gets a tattoo of the other guys mug or something. Some real skin in the game.
I do think the venue is cool, and as a GCA member, seeing the course would be the main reason I would tune in, but sure as hell won't drop 50 bones
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I spent $20 just on popcorn, soda and chocolate while watching Rich Crazy Asians last week. I doubt that I am too proud to pop for this event.
btw: I got a little Phil in me and can promise you that he wants to win this as badly as anything he has ever attempted. That's the problem with being a gambler.
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I had just gotten home from a colonoscopy when I posted yesterday, so I was pretty cranky. Besides, they don't call me "Crusty" without cause.
I have been watching professional golf for 60 years, and I'm just losing interest. I have also seen about all of Tiger and Phil that I care to. This match is taking the silly season to a new level. One reason I don't pay much attention to the tour these days is the over-the-top coverage of every shot Tiger and Phil hit even when they are nowhere near the lead. In recent months it seems that the headlines every day is how Tiger did with little mention of the leaders or the winner. I've just had it up to here with these guys. Never was a fan of either.
I guess I would go watch the match if it were played at my club just to see how the course holds up. I don't think I would watch on free tv. What I really would pay to see would be a rematch of Norman and Faldo at Augusta National with Norman starting out with a 6 shot lead. or maybe Bubba and Louie.
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Pay for view ok, but my limit for this match is $1. Quite sure I will be on the golf course on Thanksgiving anyway.
I might pay to watch if they each put up their own money.
If the winner does donate all winnings to a charity, that would raise my view of the winner no matter who it is.
Both, if they declare to do so before the match.
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Money grab.
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Get ready... The 2.0 version with a bonus match. Yawn...
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/29084168/tiger-woods-phil-mickelson-tom-brady-peyton-manning-play-golf-match (https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/29084168/tiger-woods-phil-mickelson-tom-brady-peyton-manning-play-golf-match)
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The PGA Tour has to sign off?!? Break that contract.