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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: Carl Nichols on July 30, 2017, 05:41:55 PM
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If I'm correctly reading the shotlink data I could find, PGA tour players miss an incredibly small percentage (.1% or lower) of putts shorter than 12". Given the complete lack of spectator interest in watching guys finish these short putts, and considering the time that would be saved, should they just be conceded?
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No. Not at all. But I would prefer them to have a huge (like 6 shot, maybe 8) penalty laid on to them if they try to mark it just to line it up...
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Um, no
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Puhleeze.
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Look, i don't really think they should pick up such putts, but putting them has to be one of the least interesting things that happens in sports.
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Love Ernie Els, but:
https://www.sbnation.com/golf/2016/4/7/11387464/ernie-els-7-putt-masters-2016-first-hole
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No, but here are a couple of suggestions I've been mulling over during the week.
I'd 86 the part of the course setup for green speeds and make that a variable. Remember, in the old days you probably encountered 5 or 6 different green speeds in a round. Now the officials have to cut holes on flattish portions of the green.
Also, can those super green books which let you know the exact slope everywhere on the green.
Now it is like watching free throws. For Jon H, I'd sort of agree, but I think if they do it more than once we need to go to American football rules. Throw a flag for delay of game and penalize them five yards.
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Sounds good to me...maybe the game would be better to watch. Ah yes, forgot, golf isn't meant to be entertainment. Its serious stuff which requires endless amounts of time to discuss rules on tv and watch short putts. Jeepers...golf on tv has completely lost the plot and painfully so.
Ciao
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All holes should be completed but that doesn't mean TV should show it happening. It's bad editing or production if they show a putt of that length live (obvious exception being is if it's the final winning putt). I hate seeing putts inside one foot marked and maybe that is the needed change.
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I think the cup should be at least 12" diameter. That would be the fairest test.
F.
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I'm sitting watching a formula e thing in Montreal. They change cars midway. The world is clearly spinning off its axis.
F.
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Maybe they could change the Rule to INSIST on continuous putting and no marking and cleaning of the ball after the first instance. That would definitely speed up play would it not?
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That is a spectacular idea, Tom. (Count me all-in, stymie rule too.) No concessions of those pesky li'l' ones, but play your ball into the hole!
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Maybe they could change the Rule to INSIST on continuous putting and no marking and cleaning of the ball after the first instance. That would definitely speed up play would it not?
How? Given that you'd have to wait for a player to read the second putt without allowing another player to hit his/her putt in the meantime?
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Maybe they could change the Rule to INSIST on continuous putting and no marking and cleaning of the ball after the first instance. That would definitely speed up play would it not?
How? Given that you'd have to wait for a player to read the second putt without allowing another player to hit his/her putt in the meantime?
The USGA enforced this in the 1966 US Open: putt continuously and only mark once per green. They didn't want rounds to exceed four hours... Strangely, they seem to have been quite keen to stamp out slow play back in the 60s - I'm not sure when they threw their hands in the air and gave up.
Anyway, it'd probably shave about 15-20 minutes off a round. Yes, you'd have to wait for a player to hit their second putt but you'd be waiting on that anyway. At least this way they wouldn't be able to mark the ball, clean it and painstakingly line it up before they hit the second putt.
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Maybe they could change the Rule to INSIST on continuous putting and no marking and cleaning of the ball after the first instance. That would definitely speed up play would it not?
I have been saying this for years. I did an experiment and MARKING IT ONCE ON THE GREEN saved 27 minutes. A lot of players take time aligning their putts with a golf ball line, we have a member that does it on the tee!
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If I'm correctly reading the shotlink data I could find, PGA tour players miss an incredibly small percentage (.1% or lower) of putts shorter than 12". Given the complete lack of spectator interest in watching guys finish these short putts, and considering the time that would be saved, should they just be conceded?
Dear Carl,
I love the idea. And can we make it retroactive?
Sincerely,
S. Hoch
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If I'm correctly reading the shotlink data I could find, PGA tour players miss an incredibly small percentage (.1% or lower) of putts shorter than 12". Given the complete lack of spectator interest in watching guys finish these short putts, and considering the time that would be saved, should they just be conceded?
Dear Carl,
I love the idea. And can we make it retroactive?
Sincerely,
S. Hoch
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Haha. ;D ;D
I was thinking Hoch last night. Sir Nick wouldn't approve.
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If I'm correctly reading the shotlink data I could find, PGA tour players miss an incredibly small percentage (.1% or lower) of putts shorter than 12". Given the complete lack of spectator interest in watching guys finish these short putts, and considering the time that would be saved, should they just be conceded?
Dear Carl,
I love the idea. And can we make it retroactive?
Sincerely,
S. Hoch
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Haha. ;D ;D
I was thinking Hoch last night. Sir Nick wouldn't approve.
I believe that was a 2-footer
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Not sure if you are playing in Pro events Adrian but if it saves 27 minutes in the way you tested I am shocked. I would also say that I would probably not want to play with the other members of your group if that is what they do in a casual five $ nassau Saturday round.
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by the time the player asked for an official to come out to measure the "gimmee", the player could just putt the stupid ball in the hole.
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No.
BUT, we should outlaw the televising of any putt inside that length
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Not if it means that we'll never see this again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm6tTdn-P2Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm6tTdn-P2Q)
Yes those were all longer than 12 inches...but he probably would have missed them had they been 12 inches...
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They'd have to paint a gimmie circle around each hole.
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Not if it means that we'll never see this again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm6tTdn-P2Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm6tTdn-P2Q)
Yes those were all longer than 12 inches...but he probably would have missed them had they been 12 inches...
He made the one that was less than 12 inches. ;D
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I think they should have to putt out without marking once they start even if they stand on another player's line. Make the game much quicker.
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I think they should have to putt out without marking once they start even if they stand on another player's line. Make the game much quicker.
Exactly.
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I think they should have to putt out without marking once they start even if they stand on another player's line. Make the game much quicker.
Exactly.
+1....or is it +2
Especially these days in the age of soft spikes and bubble soles.
Atb
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I think they should have to putt out without marking once they start even if they stand on another player's line. Make the game much quicker.
I believe they tried that at the 1966 US Open, when Casper came back to tie Palmer from 7 back with 9 to play. If I recall the story right, they were tied coming to 18, and both hit the green with Palmer away. He lagged and left himself a 3-foot downhiller that he had to putt before Casper putted from about 15 feet, and Palmer was already shell shocked after losing his huge lead.
Supposedly Dave Marr and Jack Nicklaus were sitting next to each other on the hill after finishing their rounds, and Marr whispered to Nicklaus "if Arnold missed this one, the new rule goes out the window". But Palmer actually made the putt, though of course he went on to lose the playoff the next day.
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They'd have to paint a gimmie circle around each hole.
I like it, they could take a page from soccers book and have a guy at each hole put down spray foam before each group plays thru! ;D
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140707182003-spray-2-horizontal-gallery.jpg)
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Many, many things wake me in the night with sorrows, fears, and regrets.
The pace of play on the PGA Tour, thankfully, is not on that list.
I'm sure there is some reason that I should be worried about how long it takes to play golf on Tour; I just don't know what it is. Hell, I even enjoyed watching Speith take that drop!
Have you watched an MLB game lately?
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No.
BUT, we should outlaw the televising of any putt inside that length
Yep, along with caddy discussions and practice swings
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I think they should have to putt out without marking once they start even if they stand on another player's line. Make the game much quicker.
Exactly.
+1....or is it +2
Especially these days in the age of soft spikes and bubble soles.
Atb
Trust me Dai. You don't want to putt after I have walked on your line in my bobble soles. :o
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Want to speed up play at all levels of the game and make it more natural? Simple...make any golf ball with a line or logo that is straight for more than say 0.25" non-conforming...and make it illegal for to mark a ball with a straight line of more than 0.25". Try watching players on tour or at your home course remark their ball and line up the ball with the intended line...must take a good 10 seconds on average per putt addition time. If say 25 putts per player per round lined up (most do not line up a 6" with the line) in a foursome that is 100 putts, 1000 seconds, or 16 minutes 40 seconds per round (if if is 15 seconds per putt it is 25 minutes per foursome round)...
and how can we let a player line up a putt that way when the caddy cannot stand behind the putt (or ahead of Jordan Spieth on 13 Sunday at Birkdale) and a player cannot place a club on the ground to help with alignment when taking a shot.
the ball manufacturers can scream bloody murder, but too bad...they can still manufacture whatever they want just a penalty for any player who uses it in competition governed by these rules.
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Your idea is interesting, Paul R, but I could see a manufacturer changing the name of their golf ball to:
T–– –––––t
And that could pretty much serve the same purpose!
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And people would come up with some other way to slow down their putting routine if they didn't use a line.
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Joe-- see my comment "make any golf ball with a line or logo that is straight for more than say 0.25" non-conforming"
Wayne--this may well be a long term battle, but one worth fighting
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Then players would make a series of dots that form a line.
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Gimmes inside one foot? Nah, make 'em putt it.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/16ixhxc.gif)
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Then players would make a series of dots that form a line.
Peter--
What about is a player took about 6-8 tees and stuck then in the ground for an approach shot from the fairway to indicate the correct alignment of a shot?
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Then players would make a series of dots that form a line.
Peter--
What about is a player took about 6-8 tees and stuck then in the ground for an approach shot from the fairway to indicate the correct alignment of a shot?
There is a rule against that isn't there?
You can lay a club toward you target, then line up to the club, and then remove the club though. Nobody seems to do that, but maybe they should (based on how many people you see aligned no where near their intended target line).
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How long was Scott Hoch's putt?
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24 inches. He maintains to this day that he hit the putt how he wanted to (inside left edge) and it just didn't go in.
Faldo really benefited from some missed opportunities from his opponents at Augusta.
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If anyone was watching the Women's Open from Kingsbarns today, Mel Reid who was leading missed a putt that appeared to be about a foot long.
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This would result in more rulings & delays ... was the putt 11 7/8" or 12 1/8" from the hole?
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Maybe they could change the Rule to INSIST on continuous putting and no marking and cleaning of the ball after the first instance. That would definitely speed up play would it not?
For some of the pros that mark their ball no matter what....this would blow their minds!!!....and I'm all for it.
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24 inches. He maintains to this day that he hit the putt how he wanted to (inside left edge) and it just didn't go in.
Faldo really benefited from some missed opportunities from his opponents at Augusta.
Hale Irwin's air shot putt at Royal Birkdale when Tom Watson ultimately won one of his Opens comes to mind.
Atb