| Ak Chin Southern Dunes | |
| Alotian Club | |
| Arcadia Bluffs | |
| Aronimink Golf Club | |
| Atlantic City Country Club | |
| Atlantic Golf Club | |
| Augusta Country Club | |
| Augusta National Golf Club | |
| Ballyneal | |
| Baltimore Country Club (East) | |
| Baltusrol Golf Club (Lower) | |
| Baltusrol Golf Club (Upper) | |
| Bandon Dunes | |
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| Banff Springs | |
| Battle Creek | |
| Bayonne GC, | |
| Bayonne Golf Club | |
| Beacon Hall | |
| Bel-Air Country Club | |
| Belvedere | |
| Berkshire | |
| Bethpage State Park (Black) | |
| Bethpage State Park (Red) | |
| Beverly Country Club | |
| Black Diamond Ranch (Quarry) | |
| Black Sheep Golf Club | |
| Black Mesa Golf Club | |
| Blackwolf Run Golf Club (River) | |
| Bob O Link | |
| Boston Golf Club | |
| Briggs Ranch Golf Club | |
| Broadstone | |
| Brook Hollow Country Club | |
| Brookside Country Club | |
| Bulls Bay | |
| Butler National Golf Club | |
| Cabo del Sol (Ocean) | |
| Cabot Cliffs | |
| Cabot Links | |
| Caledonia Golf & Fish Club | |
| California Golf Club | |
| Calusa Pines Golf Club | |
| Camargo Club | |
| Canterbury Golf Club | |
| Capilano | |
| Carolina GC | |
| Cascata | |
| Castle Pines Golf Club | |
| CC of Birmingham (West) | |
| CC of Detroit | |
| CC of Fairfield | |
| CC of Scranton | |
| CC of the Rockies | |
| Cedar Rapids | |
| Chambers Bay | |
| Champions Golf Club (Cypress Creek) | |
| Charlotte CC | |
| Chart Hills | |
| Chechessee Creek | |
| Cherry Hills Country Club | |
| Chicago Golf Club | |
| Clear Creek | |
| Cliffs at Mtn Park | |
| Clovernook | |
| Club de Golf Mexico | |
| Colonial Country Club | |
| Colorado GC | |
| Columbus CC | |
| Concession | |
| Congressional Country Club (Blue) | |
| Country Club of Fairfield | |
| Creek Club | |
| Crooked Stick Golf Club | |
| Crosswater at Sunriver | |
| Crown Colony Golf Club | |
| Crystal Downs Country Club | |
| Cuscowilla | |
| Cypress Point Club | |
| Dallas National Golf Club | |
| Davenport | |
| Desert Forest Golf Club | |
| Devil's Paintbrush | |
| Diamond Creek GC, | |
| Diamond Springs | |
| Dismal River Club (Doak) | |
| Dismal River Club (Nicklaus) | |
| Dormie | |
| Double Eagle Golf Club | |
| Dunes G & BC | |
| East Lake Golf Club | |
| Eastward Ho! | |
| Ekwanok Country Club | |
| Engineers Club | |
| Erin Hills | |
| Essex County Club | |
| Estancia | |
| Eugene Country Club | |
| Exmoor | |
| Fallen Oak GC, | |
| Fenway Golf Club | |
| Field Golf Club | |
| Fishers Island Golf Club | |
| Flint Hills National Golf Club | |
| Flossmoor | |
| Forest Creek Golf Club (North) | |
| Forest Creek South | |
| Forest Highlands Golf Club (Canyon) | |
| Forest Dunes | |
| Fox Chapel Golf Club | |
| Franklin Hills Country Club | |
| French Lick Dye | |
| French Lick Ross | |
| Friar’s Head | |
| Galloway National Golf Club | |
| Gamble Sands | |
| Garden City Golf Club | |
| Giants Ridge (Quarry) | |
| Glens Falls | |
| Gozzer Ranch GC | |
| Grandfather | |
| Greywalls | |
| Gulf Harbour | |
| Hamilton | |
| Harbour Town Golf Links | |
| Harvester Golf Club | |
| Hawk’s Ridge Golf Club | |
| Hawktree Golf Club | |
| Hazeltine National Golf Club | |
| Hidden Creek Golf Club | |
| Highlands Links | |
| Hollywood Golf Club | |
| Holston Hills Country Club | |
| Homestead Resort (Cascades) | |
| Honors Course | |
| Hope Valley | |
| Hudson National GC, | |
| Huntingdon Valley Country Club | |
| Huntsman Springs | |
| Hyde Park | |
| Idle Hour | |
| Indianwood Country Club (Old) | |
| Innisbrook Copperhead | |
| Interlachen Country Club | |
| Inverness Club | |
| Jasper Park | |
| John’s Island Club (West) | |
| Jupiter Hills Golf Club (Hills) | |
| Kapalua Golf Club (Plantation) | |
| Karsten Creek Golf Club | |
| Kiawah Island (Ocean Course) | |
| Kiawah Island (River Course) | |
| Kiawah Island Club (Cassique) | |
| Kingsley Club | |
| Kinloch Golf Club | |
| Kirtland | |
| Kittansett Club | |
| Lahontan | |
| Lake Las Vegas (SouthShore) | |
| Lancaster Country Club | |
| Laurel Valley GC, | |
| Lawsonia Golf Club (Links) | |
| Lehigh Country Club | |
| Long Cove Club | |
| Lookout Mountain | |
| Loop Black | |
| Loop Red | |
| Los Angeles Country Club (North) | |
| Lost Dunes Golf Club | |
| Madison Club | |
| Maidstone Club | |
| Manele GC | |
| Martis Camp | |
| May River | |
| Mayacama Golf Club | |
| Medinah #3 | |
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| Mid Pines | |
| Milwaukee Country Club | |
| Mimosa Hills | |
| Minikahda Club | |
| Mission Inn- El Campeon | |
| Monroe GC, | |
| Monterey Peninsula CC (Shore) | |
| Moraine | |
| Mossy Oak | |
| Mount Juliet | |
| Mountain Lake Club | |
| Mountaintop GC | |
| Mtn Ridge | |
| Muirfield Village | |
| Musgrove Mill Golf Club | |
| Myopia Hunt Club | |
| Nanea Golf Club | |
| Naples National | |
| National GC of Canada | |
| National Golf Links of America | |
| NCR CC (South) | |
| Newport Country Club | |
| North Shore (NY) | |
| Northland Country Club | |
| Oak Hill Country Club (East) | |
| Oak Tree Golf Club | |
| Oakland Hills Country Club (South) | |
| Oakmont Country Club | |
| Ocala GC | |
| Ocean Course at Kiawah Island | |
| Ocean Forest Golf Club | |
| Ol Colony | |
| Old Elm | |
| Old Macdonald | |
| Old Tabby Links | |
| Old Town Club | |
| Old White | |
| Old Sandwich Golf Club | |
| Olde Farm Golf Club | |
| Olympia Fields Country Club (North) | |
| Olympic Club (Lake) | |
| Omaha | |
| Orchard Lake | |
| Paa-Ko Ridge Golf Club | |
| Pacific Dunes | |
| Palmetto | |
| Paramount | |
| Pasatiempo Golf Club | |
| Patriot GC | |
| Peachtree Golf Club | |
| Pebble Beach Golf Links | |
| Pete Dye Golf Club | |
| PGA West Stadium | |
| Philadelphia Country Club (Spring Mill) | |
| Philadelphia Cricket Club (Wissahickon) | |
| Pine Needles Country Club | |
| Pine Valley Golf Club | |
| Pinehurst No. 2 | |
| Pinetree | |
| Piping Rock | |
| Plainfield Country Club | |
| Point O’Woods Country Club | |
| Prairie Dunes Country Club | |
| Princeville- Prince | |
| Pronghorn (Fazio) | |
| Pronghorn Club (Nicklaus) | |
| Pumpkin Ridge Golf Club (Witch Hollow) | |
| Punta Espada at Cap Cana | |
| Quail Hollow Golf Club | |
| Quaker Ridge Golf Club | |
| Quintero Golf and Country Club | |
| Ravisloe | |
| Redtail | |
| Ridgewood CC (Championship) | |
| Riviera Country Club | |
| Roaring Gap GC | |
| Robert Trent Jones GC | |
| Rock Creek Cattle Company | |
| Rolling Green Golf Course | |
| Rustic Canyon Golf Course | |
| Sage Valley GC | |
| Salem Country Club | |
| San Diego CC | |
| San Francisco Golf Club | |
| Sanctuary | |
| Sand Hills Golf Club | |
| Sand Hollow | |
| Sand Valley (C&C) | |
| Sankaty Head GC | |
| Saticoy | |
| Saucon Valley CC (Weyhill) | |
| Scioto Country Club | |
| Sea Island Golf Club (Seaside) | |
| Sebonack Golf Club | |
| Secession Golf Club | |
| Seminole Golf Club | |
| Seven Canyons Golf Course | |
| Shadow Creek Golf Club | |
| Shaker Heights | |
| Shaughnessy | |
| Shinnecock Hills Golf Club | |
| Shoal Creek Golf Course | |
| Shooting Star GC | |
| Shoreacres Golf Club | |
| Skokie Country Club | |
| Sleepy Hollow | |
| Somerset Hills Country Club | |
| Southampton | |
| Southern Highlands Golf Club | |
| Southern Hills Country Club | |
| Southern Pines | |
| Southerness | |
| Spring Hill | |
| Spring Island/Old Tabby Links | |
| Springfield (OH) | |
| Spyglass Hill Golf Club | |
| St. George’s G&CC, | |
| St. George's (Canada) | |
| St. Louis Country Club | |
| Stoatin Brae | |
| Stone Eagle | |
| Stonewall Old | |
| Streamsong Blue | |
| Streamsong Red | |
| Sunnehanna Country Club | |
| Sutton Bay Club | |
| Sylvania CC | |
| Taconic GC | |
| Taconic Golf Club | |
| The Club at Black Rock | |
| The Country Club (Composite) | |
| The Country Club (OH) | |
| The Fields | |
| The Golf Club | |
| The Golf Club at Cuscowilla | |
| The Minikahda Club | |
| The Powder Horn | |
| The Preserve | |
| The Rim | |
| The Stone Canyon Club | |
| Timuquana | |
| Tobacco Road | |
| Torrey Pines South | |
| TPC at Sawgrass (Players Stadium) | |
| Trump National GC Bedminster (Old) | |
| Trump National Golf Club | |
| UofM | |
| Valhalla Golf Club | |
| Valley Club of Montecito | |
| Victoria National Golf Club | |
| Wade Hampton Club | |
| Wannamoisett Country Club | |
| Warren (ND) | |
| We-Ko-Pa (Saguaro) | |
| Westchester Country Club (West) | |
| Whippoorwill Country Club | |
| Whisper Rock Golf Club (Upper) | |
| Whispering Pines, | |
| Whistling Straits (Straits) | |
| White Bear Yacht Club | |
| Wild Horse Golf Club | |
| Wild Horse, | |
| Wilshire | |
| Wine Valley GC | |
| Winged Foot Golf Club (East) | |
| Winged Foot Golf Club (West) | |
| Wolf Run | |
| World Wood (Pine Barrens) | |
| Wykagyl CC, | |
| Yale University Golf Course | |
| Yeamans Hall |
Tom,
I just sent him a PM. I assumed since he approved it last time, it wouldn't be an issue. I threw it out as an idea in which people can come up with ideas on how to move forward. When you say HOW, do you mean rating criteria? I personally think spontaneous order is best. I however would advocate removing any history from choosing courses (who was pro, tourneys ect.)
How does Whistler only get a 4 seed!
How does Whistler only get a 4 seed!
I guess you would have a better pool of voters here if you tried to do it the same way, but you're only going to produce a #1 that way ... want to bet it's Pine Valley? You can't really declare a #5 or a #10 in a knockout thing like that, because so much depends on the seeding, which biases the results.
Mike
No love for Big White in BC?
Mike
No love for Big White in BC?
I'm not familiar with Big White, but where can you capture moments like this there?
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I'm actually chomping at the bit to get out to Revelstoke, as that place looks killer! :)
I'm sorry to hear that, but I feel your pain.
Nice picture
alas HS basketball has squashed my skiing for another couple winters.....
As far as Pine Valley is concerned; the course wouldn't even make my Top 10. It's essentially Pinehurst #2 laid out over rolling terrain. I'll take ANGC and about a dozen others over it. But hey, that's just me.
Considering there are few of us who have played even a fraction of the so-called Top 100, we all have subjective opinions based on what we see on TV, through images and stories passed down from other people - some who have played the courses in question and who's opinions we value and others whose opinions we read about. People make judgments on courses they've never played or claimed to have played all of the time. It's no different with movies. People have opinions on films they have never seen. That's human nature and it permeates every part of societal life.As far as Pine Valley is concerned; the course wouldn't even make my Top 10. It's essentially Pinehurst #2 laid out over rolling terrain. I'll take ANGC and about a dozen others over it. But hey, that's just me.
By jove, Mike Bodo, I read the above and your quote from one of the other threads copied below and I think you've solved the whole rater/comp issue preoccupying so many on the other threads. All we need to do is have the raters rate courses they haven't seen. It'll help the magazines, as the raters will need to keep up their subscriptions just to see if its true that Pine Valley looks just like the North Carolina courses in pictures, and thus must be the same in quality. Obviously, this might cost the courses themselves a bit more money, as it will be necessary to have the florae in tip top shape when the magazine photographers come through.
Still working out how you do rater retreats in this new world of rating, perhaps by gotomeeting and powerpoint.
"Can someone explain to me how Pine Valley is rated above ANGC as the No. 1 course in America, besides being a tough SOB? I've never played it, but from the images I've seen it looks very similar to NC courses such as Pinehurst, Mid-Pines, etc. which none are in the Top 10 this year. Then again, I've never played Augusta National either, but from physical characteristics alone I would think ANGC offers more variety/challenge, in addition to being drop-dead gorgeous - especially when everything is in bloom."
How does Whistler only get a 4 seed!Whistler at #4 is sandbagging... uh oh... we're trending OT.
I doubt you will think PV is "just P#2 over rolling terrain" after you visit!
Sorry Mike...you aren't going to get too far on here analyzing courses you haven't seen.Ponint well taken, Brad. I appreciate the constructive crticism.
I have learned this the hard way on GCA before...this is a well-traveled group, and even if you have pored over every square yard of PV and ANGC on google maps or TV, if you haven't been there you haven't been there.
I have not played (or visited) ANGC, and I have ideas on how I might like it/not like it someday, but I can't honestly say much before I see it/play it.
I have played PV, and it's pretty incredible. It's not my #1 US course, but it's up there. While both P#2 and PV have sandy wastes, they are quite different. P#2 is very wide, with trees well back from the playing corridors, while every hole at PV is rather enclosed (which I hear they are working on changing!). P#2 has recovery options all around each green, while PV is more penal around the greens. P#2 has always been a resort course opened to those with a few bucks to spend...PV has always been a very private enclave with a secluded retreat feel, etc.
I doubt you will think PV is "just P#2 over rolling terrain" after you visit!
Come to Utah... the resorts, mountains, trails, ease of access and best of all snow conditions are all epic!!
Shhh! Utah sucks go to Colorado. In all seriousness, Utah vs. Colorado would be an interesting ski resort match play. Alta/Snowbird, Brighton/Solitude, Snowbasin and Pow Mow is a solid line-up. Snowbasin is a Doak 9 and Pow Mow is a hidden gem! Plus the snow's better in Utah and SLC has the Red Iguana.
Seeing how this has turned into a ski resort thread...
Come to Utah... the resorts, mountains, trails, ease of access and best of all snow conditions are all epic!! :D
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Say you produce two Top-100 ranking lists -
- the 1st, as is usual done.
- the 2nd, the Top-100 most photogenic.
I wonder how many courses would appear on both lists.....and what that would tell us about relative course quality, architecture, playability etc?
Atb
I've skied Snowbird, Alta, Canyons, PCMR, and Deer Valley in Utah, with my favorite being Snowbird. Here's a shot taken at Alta in 2015.
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I used to use my Go Pro mountain biking, but I haven't really used it for much else other than skiing. The last time I used it was when my son and I went skiing in Vail/Beaver Creek last January. It's pain to have to charge continually, not to mention you look like a dork with it on, but the video it captures is pretty cool. I'll give it that.I've skied Snowbird, Alta, Canyons, PCMR, and Deer Valley in Utah, with my favorite being Snowbird. Here's a shot taken at Alta in 2015.
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Mike-Got any pictures in a speedo doing the crawl or hopping the net in tennis whites? Do you use the "Go Pro" regardless of activity?
If you're going to do that, go to Mike Nuzzo's suggestion from years ago and give courses THREE ratings: I think his suggestions were Challenging, Beautiful, and Fun. Hardly any course would make all three unless you define "challenging" with some sort of governor on it.
If you're going to do that, go to Mike Nuzzo's suggestion from years ago and give courses THREE ratings: I think his suggestions were Challenging, Beautiful, and Fun. Hardly any course would make all three unless you define "challenging" with some sort of governor on it.
Some possibilities that came to mind:
CPC (four leading pro's played it in 2012, and only one broke 70)
Pebble
Banff
Jasper
Rock Creek
Cape Kidnappers
Monterrey Pacific (both?)
Himalayan Golf Course
RCD
Old White
Teeth of the Dog
Cabot Cliffs
Black Mesa (when conditioned)
New South Wales
Tara Iti
Casa de Campo
Sleepy Hollow
Lookout Mountain
Sean,
I think 2-3 other lists should be generated by others (Southern Hemisphere, Europe, Asia & Russia, The Islands)?
In order to vote you need to have played 30 or more on the list. 10 plays needed for course to get included. Throw out low and high. Use the Doak Scale.
I have 310 courses to start out with, please let me know if I should add ones? Please IM me your list with rankings. Hopefully we can get 50+ people to contribute to the NA list.
Does anyone want to get this thing started? Bueller? We could make all entries due Nov 1st!
Sean,
I listed courses in opening post. If everyone who is interested can start compiling their Doak Ranking for courses on this list, would appreciate it. I'm sure many people will play 3-10 new plays that are on this list by Nov 1st. Please suggest courses that are Doak 5's or 6's or greater to add to list.
What courses are from across the pond that I left on? Berkshire is a WPJ in Reading, PA. Sean, you need to play more on this side of the pond.Hankley Common, Hillside, Mount Juliet, Remedy Oak, St. Mellion, Kasumigaseki, Kennemer, Berkshire Red and Blue, Wexford, Druid's Glen, Kingston Heath, Little Aston, Metropolitan, and Rosapenna... from a quick glance.
Joey,
Thanks for those names. I can't see Berkshire Red and Blue on the list?
Mark,
I hope we get all the Canadian ones you and Ian recommend. Anymore?
John,
Are you a rater now? Did you get the golden ticket? Playing the Ocean course for free, shame on you..... I'll add Swope Memorial if you submit a list in November! ;)