How you gonna rake a divot.
If you were anywhere close to the lip, it would be quite a bit harder to get out I would think. If you were further back, it would be quite a bit easier. That's assuming that the grass was cut short. If it was rough, then it would depend entirely on the lie. If it was greenside, it would be brutal.
If you were anywhere close to the lip, it would be quite a bit harder to get out I would think. If you were further back, it would be quite a bit easier. That's assuming that the grass was cut short. If it was rough, then it would depend entirely on the lie. If it was greenside, it would be brutal.
As long as they are not to deep then it should not be too hard. Also, a decent slope near the base of the face to ensure a decent bit of distance from it would also be a good thing.
Jon
If you were anywhere close to the lip, it would be quite a bit harder to get out I would think. If you were further back, it would be quite a bit easier. That's assuming that the grass was cut short. If it was rough, then it would depend entirely on the lie. If it was greenside, it would be brutal.
As long as they are not to deep then it should not be too hard. Also, a decent slope near the base of the face to ensure a decent bit of distance from it would also be a good thing.
Jon
Fair point. I think of revetted bunkers and I think of something like this:
(http://www.europeantour.com/mm/Photo/Tournament/Tournaments/23/74/84/237484_M08.jpg)
Re the "eyebrow" on no.3 at CS, looks twee
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Re the 18th grass bunker, I should declare an interest and say that I've been in it and failed to get out of it. I was lying in a divot if I remember correctly. Niall ps this formatting is becoming a pain |
Re the "eyebrow" on no.3 at CS, looks twee
Is this a Scottish expression I'm not familiar with, or a typo?
Regarding Castle Stuart's revetted faces, I think they are inspired by those short sleepered walls on a couple of holes at Rye. When Gil Hanse worked for me, he mentioned that he'd loved those, and we put one in on a grassy hollow to the right of the 13th green at The Legends in Myrtle Beach.
As with formalized grass bunkers, I wonder if such things are really any more effective than just normal shaping.
I found on one hole (believe it was the 14th), I was a mere 5 feet off the left side of the green, but had gone down into a swale. It was a virtually impossibility to get up and down because I couldn't putt (sleeper eyebrow), but there was a slope behind my ball that made any shot but a bump and run (again protected by sleeper) non-existent. It was sublime. People talk about knowing where to miss at Augusta, but I would say the same was true at Rye. I learned the hard way where not to miss :)
I found on one hole (believe it was the 14th), I was a mere 5 feet off the left side of the green, but had gone down into a swale. It was a virtually impossibility to get up and down because I couldn't putt (sleeper eyebrow), but there was a slope behind my ball that made any shot but a bump and run (again protected by sleeper) non-existent. It was sublime. People talk about knowing where to miss at Augusta, but I would say the same was true at Rye. I learned the hard way where not to miss :)
So you missed the green by 5 feet and you had no shot you could play? That strikes me as a little much. I have no problem with it being very difficult, but there should be something you can do.
I found on one hole (believe it was the 14th), I was a mere 5 feet off the left side of the green, but had gone down into a swale. It was a virtually impossibility to get up and down because I couldn't putt (sleeper eyebrow), but there was a slope behind my ball that made any shot but a bump and run (again protected by sleeper) non-existent. It was sublime. People talk about knowing where to miss at Augusta, but I would say the same was true at Rye. I learned the hard way where not to miss :)
So you missed the green by 5 feet and you had no shot you could play? That strikes me as a little much. I have no problem with it being very difficult, but there should be something you can do.
I found on one hole (believe it was the 14th), I was a mere 5 feet off the left side of the green, but had gone down into a swale. It was a virtually impossibility to get up and down because I couldn't putt (sleeper eyebrow), but there was a slope behind my ball that made any shot but a bump and run (again protected by sleeper) non-existent. It was sublime. People talk about knowing where to miss at Augusta, but I would say the same was true at Rye. I learned the hard way where not to miss :)
So you missed the green by 5 feet and you had no shot you could play? That strikes me as a little much. I have no problem with it being very difficult, but there should be something you can do.
Michael,
So any green that has a water hazard within 5 feet of it are no good? I guess you think ANGC #13 is chopped liver then!! ;)
Michael,
If I saw a green with a wicked nasty steep grass face on one side...in my mind I would use just as much caution if it were a water hazard.
Like for example, I think its 16 on PGA West that has that nasty deep bunker on the left side of the green. I would be just as hesitant to get anywhere near that as if it were a water hazard. Ditto for the road hole bunker on TOC.
I found on one hole (believe it was the 14th), I was a mere 5 feet off the left side of the green, but had gone down into a swale. It was a virtually impossibility to get up and down because I couldn't putt (sleeper eyebrow), but there was a slope behind my ball that made any shot but a bump and run (again protected by sleeper) non-existent. It was sublime. People talk about knowing where to miss at Augusta, but I would say the same was true at Rye. I learned the hard way where not to miss :)
So you missed the green by 5 feet and you had no shot you could play? That strikes me as a little much. I have no problem with it being very difficult, but there should be something you can do.
Michael,
So any green that has a water hazard within 5 feet of it are no good? I guess you think ANGC #13 is chopped liver then!! ;)
I think in my mind, there is a difference between a water hazard, which you know is there and the penalty is clear versus an area of grass that I assume has a tendency to put a ball in a virtually unplayable position.
Synthetic revetted bunkers with no sand....that would fuel some debate!!