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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: Patrick_Mucci on September 24, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
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a President, Green Chairman or Superintendent disfiguring a hole ?
# 2 green at Yale comes quickly to mind, but, what are some other examples ?
Please include the dates where possible, even if the disfiguration is about to take place ;D
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Pat:
My all time favorite was a par-3 at Hirono. When I visited twenty years ago, the president of the club had decided the green was too big, so he instructed the superintedent to cut the sod off 1/4 of the green ... and just leave it bare sand without digging out a bunker or anything!
At least he made it easy for them to repair later. :)
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Tom,
You couldn't make up stuff like that.
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Pat,
Here is an example of what the president, greens committee, and superintended to to the 17th hole at Palm Beach CC (Ross 1917).
(http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/673/oPB30s.png)
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a President, Green Chairman or Superintendent disfiguring a hole ?
# 2 green at Yale comes quickly to mind, but, what are some other examples ?
Please include the dates where possible, even if the disfiguration is about to take place ;D
Pat,
What happened to No.2 at Yale? I seem to remember you telling me the green was lowered at the back - is that right?
Excellent hole as is all the same...
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Ally,
Evidently, the green had significant internal contouring that the superintendent removed at his sole discretion and without prior approval.
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Ally,
The green was banked higher on the right. The intention I believe was to allow golfers to use it to work approach shots over to hole locations on the left, thereby avoiding a direct challenge to the bunkers over there.
What about the 18th green at Pine Valley? Was that changed after the fact?
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12 and 15 at Merion. :-X
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Ally,
The green was banked higher on the right. The intention I believe was to allow golfers to use it to work approach shots over to hole locations on the left, thereby avoiding a direct challenge to the bunkers over there.
What about the 18th green at Pine Valley? Was that changed after the fact?
Yes, circa 1926-8
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12 and 15 at Merion. :-X
Mark,
Those greens were not changed by the President, Green Chairman or Superintendent, acting on their own.
Considerable debate preceeded the changes, ditto Winged Foot West.
I was referencing a more unilateral and arbitrary change rather than a change vis a vis consensus.
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Too many examples to name... :-X
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#17 at Medinah #3....a few times.
Every green at Medinah #3 prior to the last renovation - (1996-2010).
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I'm thinking that this thread and your "white sand" thread were both prompted by the same course...
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I'm thinking that this thread and your "white sand" thread were both prompted by the same course...
Subtlety isn't Mucci's strong suit.
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No particular examples but I'd generally suggest that the 80-20 rule has a strong tendency to apply in reverse and thus negatively when ii comes to golf :)
atb
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Committees, and supers, don't only disfigure with a blade. Arbitrary presentation decisions, disfigure the whole course, not just one hole.
Pat, Have they removed the rough on the leeward side of those jutting bunkers at Mtn. Ridge?
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I'm thinking that this thread and your "white sand" thread were both prompted by the same course...
Subtlety isn't Mucci's strong suit.
JME,
Only because you're unable to detect it.