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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: Ulrich Mayring on September 17, 2014, 02:32:55 PM
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For some of us at least? Seeing that all Ryder Cups between 2018 and 2030 have been given to continental Europe, the earliest possible date for a return to Britain is 2034.
A lot can happen in 20 years, Scotland may be independent and out of oil, but more importantly: countries that haven't the faintest idea about the spirit of golf, but some idea of self-importance fueled by monetary influx, may have reduced this once-great competition to a commercial sideshow like the FedEx Cup. Would any British club pay through their nose to host a has-been event? Perhaps Gleneagles is the last hurrah.
Ulrich
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Ulrich:
A fine question that is guaranteed NOT to be asked in the coverage of the upcoming Ryder Cup.
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some idea of self-importance fueled by monetary influx, may have reduced this once-great competition to a commercial sideshow like the FedEx Cup. Would any British club pay through their nose to host a has-been event? Perhaps Gleneagles is the last hurrah.
Think that ship sailed somewhere around The Belfry...........
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Trumps is Nailed On.
And still on British Soil, no matter what.
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I think the Ryder Cup is great. Commercialism is everywhere. Get over it, show me a top level sporting event that isn't.
Are there any other examples of huge sporting events that were once a big deal that are no longer? The Ryder Cup is here to stay. If that means outside of the UK, I don't see it as a bad thing.
Jeff
The ship sailed when Europe started winning? I think that was the beginning of when it got interesting.
Walkover Cup may be on great courses, but it is dull more often than not due to the one sided nature of the contest.
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If the Ryder Cup ever gets back to Scotland, my guess it will be at either Trump Aberdeen or Trump Turnberry. ;)
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It's a professional sport/business. To borrow the phrase from 'All The President's Men' - "follow the money" - coz that's where the R-C will go.
One eminent English tour professional who played on many Ryder Cup teams once said something along the lines of "if the money's good enough I'll play golf on an airport runway".
atb
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Do we know that they have all gone to Europe, I didnt think that 2022 was even selected yet?
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All they have stated is 8 countries have shown an interest in hosting the Ryder Cup in 2022. Turkey being amongst them! It is still open for the UK to bid
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I think the Ryder Cup peaked a while back - it may be a bigger "show" now then it was in the mid 80s to mid 90s but I guarantee you it does not have as much significance to the players. The "us v them" of the Europeans (all actual active European tour players) v the US (on the other side of the pond) doesn't really exists at all to the same extent as they all play together week in, week out.I'll enjoy it for the drama and fist pumping, but I can't say the anticipation is anywhere near what it used to be.
Really? Better tell that to Ian Poulter.
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I don't understand the importance people place on the Ryder Cup. I guess it is just me but golf is an individual sport and that is the appeal. The wives everywhere is really annoying. I could care less who wins but will probably watch but not go out of my way like I do for a major.
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Ulrich
Given the number of events in the Middle East do you ever see it going there? I think it has to be in Europe as the rules are now but at one point it was against the rules to have Continental players in the team.
There are as many tour events in England as there are in Dubai currently:)
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I think the Ryder Cup is great. Commercialism is everywhere. Get over it, show me a top level sporting event that isn't.
Jeff
The ship sailed when Europe started winning? I think that was the beginning of when it got interesting.
Ryan,
Agreed it is great to see an evening up of the teams and recent dominance by Europe.
Money is what has taken the Ryder Cup to mediocre sites, perhaps beginning with the Belfry, though it could be argued that PGA National lead the charge down that road.
The European PGA has certainly sold out to the highest bidder, site quality and tradition be damned, but the US has followed pretty closely behind with Valhalla being the poster child. (not knocking Valhalla-haven't played it-just the fact that the PGA owns it)
A shame it can't be taken to the links but since most of the European team lives in Orlando ;) ;D, it really wouldn't be much of a European advantage ;)
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I don't understand the importance people place on the Ryder Cup. I guess it is just me but golf is an individual sport and that is the appeal. The wives everywhere is really annoying. I could care less who wins but will probably watch but not go out of my way like I do for a major.
Negative Nancy :D
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I have been called worse! Since I was born in Germany and was dual US -West German citizen until age 21,I am not sure which team I would play for under Ryder Cup rules.
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Hey, it could be the first Scottish Ryder Cup that wasn't on British Soil....
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Jeff Warne I'm guessing after Oakland Hills cleared north of $10m the PGA wanted a bigger slice of the cake.
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Hey, it could be the first Scottish Ryder Cup that wasn't on British Soil....
How is that even possible ?
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They're voting today :)
Ulrich
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They're voting today :)
Ulrich
To leave the Union.
We can hardly leave British Soil ::)
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Hm, a very deep thought, which I am unable to entertain at the moment. Best to vote no, thus avoiding philosophical problems like this ;-)
Ulrich
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Several OT comments:
- While it's hard to say whether holding the Cup on a links course would offer the Euros an advantage, Gleneagles Centenary is supposedly an American-style course
- Should the recent run of Euro success result in expanding the US team to include all of North America? Not that it would help much - or that the PGA of America would even consider it - but we could at least add #39 in the world rankings, Graham Delaet!
- This year's US squad is at least as weak looking as many of the Euro squads that pulled off Cup upsets in the 90s. Do I smell a US victory?
As for the original post, since the Cup has become the "Super Bowl" of golf, I say put it at a neutral site. ;D I'll watch even if it's held on the moon just to experience the schadenfreude that comes from seeing the pros miss short putts just like the rest of us. The only difference is that we're just trying to break 90.
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I think the Ryder Cup is great. Commercialism is everywhere. Get over it, show me a top level sporting event that isn't.
Are there any other examples of huge sporting events that were once a big deal that are no longer? The Ryder Cup is here to stay. If that means outside of the UK, I don't see it as a bad thing.
Jeff
The ship sailed when Europe started winning? I think that was the beginning of when it got interesting.
Walkover Cup may be on great courses, but it is dull more often than not due to the one sided nature of the contest.
You must have missed the 2005 and 2007 "Walkover" Cups that I attended at Chicago and Royal County Down. Each was won on the last shot of the last day! I think the Walker Cup is the best of all international competitions and is played on the finest courses.
I think you've misinterpreted Jeff's comment.
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They're voting today :)
Ulrich
To leave the Union.
We can hardly leave British Soil ::)
I guess in theory you could all move to the Shetland Islands...
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They're voting today :)
Ulrich
To leave the Union.
We can hardly leave British Soil ::)
I guess in theory you could all move to the Shetland Islands...
Well as everything north of the Great Glen is on the North American continental plate no need to go so far. A few strong lads with crowbars might do it ;D
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I guess in theory you could all move to the Shetland Islands...
:)