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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: Bob_Huntley on February 24, 2012, 11:44:01 AM
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Reporting from the Match Play event.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/9099331/Keegan-Bradleys-slow-play-and-spitting-is-a-real-turn-off.html
Bob
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All this stuff is arbitrary I guess, I didn't see anything wrong with it. I just saw a very nervous guy trying to cope with the mass rush of chemically induced stress.
So sure, the Brits wish us Yanks would stop spitting..
...and us Yanks wish the Brits would pay a visit to their Dentist/Orthodontist every now and then.
Who's right and wrong in these things? ;)
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I would love to professional events where the officials applied a 30 second shot clock on every shot. If you miss the time you just whiffed. I suspect that players would adapt after a few tournaments and kids would speed up as they mimick their heros.
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Since I was a child there has been concern about slow play. Nothing is ever done about it. Remember Bernard Langer?
The shot penalty is the only way.
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Slow play has always been a problem in the game and probably will always be a problem.
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Reporting from the Match Play event.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/golf/9099331/Keegan-Bradleys-slow-play-and-spitting-is-a-real-turn-off.html
Bob
Keegan justifiably stressed by whether the Red Sox will have decent starting pitching this year... ;)
All kidding aside, does anyone else think the British are kind of grating themselves in their presumption that they get to decide what constitutes 'manners' in other English speaking societies?
Given the percentage of skin-headed soccer hooligans lurking the streets of their urban areas, one is never sure if an innocent glance held a beat too long might be the precursor for a Liverpool "kiss', a Glascow "smile" or some other form of random violence aimed in your direction. I have never felt so vulnerable walking around the streets of any city, and I have lived in the Lower Haight, East of 16th Street in DC and in New York City when David Dinkins was mayor...
Maybe, as they leave your bloodied corpse for the local constabulary to sort out, they quip; "sorry old chap... dreadful misunderstanding...awfully sorry" ?
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Every time this thread comes up I refer to the rise again of one of the greatest killers Tuberculosis. I live in an inner city and I see young people doing it without thought, just like idiot sportsmen on TV do all the time.
Kalen believes” the problem” is only a European perception.
“5–10% of the U.S. population test positive...
Transmission
When people with active pulmonary TB cough, sneeze, speak, sing, or spit, they expel infectious aerosol droplets 0.5 to 5 µm in diameter. A single sneeze can release up to 40,000 droplets.[30] Each one of these droplets may transmit the disease, since the infectious dose of tuberculosis is very low and inhaling fewer than ten bacteria may cause an infection.[31]”
You can read more here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis
Of course there may be perfectly good reason for unecessarily putting people around you at risk, if so lets hear them. But don’t pretend spitting isn’t a public health issue.
Please desist from spitting and put pressure on anyone else you know who does it, to stop.
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Tony do you take craps in public restrooms?
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Tony do you take craps in public restrooms?
Yes Sam I do.
And ?
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Tony do you take craps in public restrooms?
Yes Sam I do.
And ?
I was just wondering, I'd be more worried about catching something sitting on the can than I would somebody spitting on the ground.
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All this stuff is arbitrary I guess, I didn't see anything wrong with it. I just saw a very nervous guy trying to cope with the mass rush of chemically induced stress.
So sure, the Brits wish us Yanks would stop spitting..
...and us Yanks wish the Brits would pay a visit to their Dentist/Orthodontist every now and then.
Who's right and wrong in these things? ;)
The Brits for sure.
Spitting in public is uncouth and utterly disgusting. The fact that a few high profile US golf pros do it routinely is just a sign of the times.
Maybe these guys were polluted by watching too much baseball on TV when they were growing up or something. Talk about an oral fixation..... : )
But golf ain't baseball. I think the PGA ought to slap a fine on a player every time they are seen spitting out on the course.
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He aknowledged he was unaware how much he was doing it and that he would try to curb it.
Couldn't give a better answer than that.
As far as his pace, he is a fidgeter, but once he's over it-he hits it quick so I'd say he's not far off the average time of a PGA TOUR player.
But,like the rest of the tour, plenty of room for improvement.
The rest of the players named are FAR slower than him and it's a never ending routine, far slower than the average TOUR player.
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Tony do you take craps in public restrooms?
Yes Sam I do.
And ?
I was just wondering, I'd be more worried about catching something sitting on the can than I would somebody spitting on the ground.
Then you have the choice of where to dump. If I'm next to you when you spit what choice do I have? There are public health campaigns warning of the danger of spitting, I don't recall one warning of the perils that lurk in small cubicles. There are also campaigns warning of the dangers in crossing the road, but that doesn’t change the fact that Tuberculosis is on the rise again.
Why are you trying to minimize the issue of Tuberculosis, why not challenge the research or tell me why spitting in public is desirable?
“Don’t be that guy”, indeed.
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Tony do you take craps in public restrooms?
Yes Sam I do.
And ?
I was just wondering, I'd be more worried about catching something sitting on the can than I would somebody spitting on the ground.
Then you have the choice of where to dump. If I'm next to you when you spit what choice do I have? There are public health campaigns warning of the danger of spitting, I don't recall one warning of the perils that lurk in small cubicles. There are also campaigns warning of the dangers in crossing the road, but that doesn’t change the fact that Tuberculosis is on the rise again.
Why are you trying to minimize the issue of Tuberculosis, why not challenge the research or tell me why spitting in public is desirable?
“Don’t be that guy”, indeed.
I'm not minimizing TB at all I was asking you about whether using a public restroom worries you.
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Watching Bradley at Riviera was excruciating for me. I rooted against him because I couldn't stand to watch him repeatedly spitting and backing off, spitting and backing off. If he's no slower than many others on the PGA Tour, he certainly gives the perception of being slower.
But hey, that's just me...and apparently a few million others. I'm glad Bradley is addressing this. He'll have significant portions of the gallery heckling him -- ala Sergio at Bethpage -- if he doesn't.
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I'm just amazed the author of the article only yells at the TV during golf. I yell at the TV all the time. Most of my friends and family think I'm a little crazy...
I didn't watch enough of this past Sunday's play to notice: was Bradley's group out of position? Not that is matters to me, I'm just curious to know if everyone around him was equally slow.
And, has anyone else noted the similarity between Keegan Bradley and Kalen Braley's names? I'm starting to wonder if Kalen is an alias for Keegan... after all, did anyone ask for ID at the Grudge Match? Rock Creek CC? Just sayin...
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As far as his pace, he is a fidgeter, but once he's over it-he hits it quick so I'd say he's not far off the average time of a PGA TOUR player.
I noticed that too. Once he finally took his stance, the club was moving back. It was almost one motion
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LOL@George.
I sure wish I had Keegans game...but alas not as I've lost to Garland twice in a row now! :'(
As for spitting and TB. While its possible, its really overdone in terms of how its normally transmitted. The vast majority of the time, one is more likely to get it from someone who sneezes, shouts, or coughs, as opposed to spitting. Even the CDC doesn't list it as a form of transmission. It is after all an airborne disease and the vast majority of spit usually ends up on the ground, not lingering in the air. Additionally:
"TB is NOT spread by sharing silverware or cups, sharing cigarettes, or sharing saliva when kissing someone."
http://www.cdc.gov/tb/publications/pamphlets/getthefacts_eng.htm
Additionally, while infection rates in other parts of the world can be very high, in the US its very low.
"In the United States, there are approximately 10 cases of TB per 100,000 people" or .01% of the population.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001141/
P.S. Tony, I have no idea where you got that 5-10% number from. Even the Wiki link you posted puts it at
"In the United States, the overall tuberculosis case rate was 4 per 100,000 persons in 2007"..that's less than .005% of the population.
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Watching Bradley at Riviera was excruciating for me. I rooted against him because I couldn't stand to watch him repeatedly spitting and backing off, spitting and backing off. If he's no slower than many others on the PGA Tour, he certainly gives the perception of being slower.
But hey, that's just me...and apparently a few million others. I'm glad Bradley is addressing this. He'll have significant portions of the gallery heckling him -- ala Sergio at Bethpage -- if he doesn't.
Hear, hear!
I kept thinking: Where in the HELL is he getting all that spit?
Dustin Johnson's another big spitter. But he's a bit more discreet, at least.
I would probably look away if I were playing with someone who spat that often.
I would *definitely* look away from any playing partner as fidgety as Bradley.
No, take that back: I wouldn't willingly play with anyone that fidgety. My blood pressure couldn't take it.
I GOTTA GO TO CHURCH IN THE MORNING. HIT THE FREAKIN' BALL!
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Bradley's preshot routine is worse than Furyk's.
I didn't think it was possible that anyone could come up with something more annoying than Furyk's repeated backing off.
But Bradley's fidgeting and spitting and crazy-eyes staring makes him look like he's jonesing for a few lines of coke.
Slow play is an issue that is easily fixed in the same way that the 4-corners stall was fixed in college basketball. The NCAA realized that the 4-corners was a boring-ass thing to watch, they knew they would lose their audience and, therefore, revenue, so they put in a shot clock.
If the powers that be in golf really wanted to fix the slow play problem, they could do so.
In basketball, if you violate the shot clock you lose possession of the ball. Impose an equivalent penalty in golf. Violate the shot clock and you in essence lose your turn, i.e., get penalized a shot. Violate it again, drop another shot. Problem solved.
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I'm going to defend the lads to a certain extent on the spitting, but not the slow play.
Spitting and excessive production of phlegm or mucus is a result of many things, including allergies and impurities in the air, and a hypersensitive airway passage nerve endings. We all know that strenuous physical activity leading to deep respiration and eventually more mouth breathing inhaling than nasal as we get ampped up is normal. Also, asthma in many forms from that triggered by the air quality to exercise induced or stress induced causes plenty of coughing and clearing of the throat.
As one that produced a great deal of phlegm and clear mucous or spit either in exercise or stress, or in certain environments from when some woman is wearing the wrong scent and any of those airfresheners that say 'fresh' or 'mountain', there is something that gets me going and both coughing and wheezing.
So, take Bradley on the course, in the desert or at Riv in polluted L.A. or whatever the environment or stress that causes him to produce a lot of spit-mucus-phlegm, the only question is; what does he do with it? I'm willing to give anyone a 500-1 odds he doesn't have TB! ::) ;) ;)
So I say, and as I do, spit the crap out on the grass. (certainly not near where you are respitorily near someone else breathing) but on the ground, which is a field of sporting play covered by turf that has no health problem with it. Maybe even some beneficial microbial activity is induced... I'll defer to a guy like Mahaffey on that! ;D I for one, given how much I produce, am not about to swallow that much sputum, mucus, etc. Any M.D.s that wish to weigh in on swallow or spit it out, would be much appreciated.... along with a private e-mail on any really great jokes that come to mind.... ::) ;D ;D
But, with Bradley saying he will try to modify his spitting, I'll give him credit that he is "trying" to not be rude. I didn't note him doing so much spitting at the PGA win, so I'm guessing it is environmental irritant.
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I think he was spittin' tobacco juice or whatever it's called.
Brandel Chamblee actually had a funny line about the spitting: he said he thought Bradley was just showin' off, as he never could work up a spit in that situation.
Even a blind squirrel...
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That's all very rich, given the tendency of the European side to "slow-play" the Americans in the Ryder Cup.
Keegan Bradley is, by all accounts, as nice as can be. And to boot, he recognizes the need to minimize what amounts to a nervous tic and will do so. I cannot imagine how I would feel and what kind of fidgeting I'd be doing if I were playing with that kind of money on the line.
And so many golfers spit on a regular basis that to be up in arms about this is, in my opinion, a little drastic. He didn't spit on the putting green, so he gets a pass from me.
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Tiger's spitting, where he generates a huge loogey and then spits it quite obtrusively, is the worst IMHO.
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The fidgeting and resulting slow play is pitiful. I guess if he is trying to control the spitting then you have to give him credit. That said it is still over the top.
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I agree that haucking up a loogey of phlegm and depositing it on a green is inexcusable. Sergio's little temper tantrum a few years ago where he deposited a really gooey one in the cup in disgust, should have been a big fine (I think it was). But, one can slip over to the rough or green surround off the putting surface and relatively inconspicuously deposit the expectorate in the turf, where crowd don't sit or aren't allowed. I don't know if the caddie would love it if you placed it in the wipe towel. ::) I'd be fine with a rule of a fine going to charity for spitting phlegm on the putting surface.
The ancient Greeks had a notion held well into modern times about the 4 humors (one of which is the spectrum of phlegm-mucus) being in balance for good health. From Wikipedia excert:
Phlegm and humourism
Humourism is an ancient theory that the human body is filled with four basic substances, called the four humours, which are held in balance when a person is healthy. It is closely related to the ancient theory of the four elements and states that all diseases and disabilities result from an excess or deficit in black bile, yellow bile, phlegm, and blood. Hippocrates, an ancient Greek medical doctor, is credited for this theory, about 400 BC. It influenced medical thinking for more than 2,000 years, until finally discredited in the 1800s.
Phlegm was thought to be associated with apathetic behaviour; this old belief is preserved in the word "phlegmatic".
But certainly Sir Boab being quite the wordsmith, is well aware of that last bit....whilst I learnt something new today... ;D
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I find the slow play on the PGA Tour in general to be bad for the game. it creates a belief by many golfers that is the way to play the game. I watch so many college players now going through almost comical routines and prep, reprep and reprep again. Keegan and Padric Harrington are just a few of the slow play pros. I think it should be a 4 hour round and put the clock on them. I frankly cannot watch it live.
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Would it be safe to say that slow play habits are largely coming from golf academy or golf camps where young promising players attend in their early teens?
A couple of years ago, we had a Women's Am open and then after they were through, they allowed the public to fall in behind them. We (a 4some of old coots) were first one's off, after they allowed the last group in the toon-a-mint to get clear ahead by about 3-4 holes. We caught them when they were on 2nd shots on par 5 10th and we were putting out on 9. Then, I was able to see their putting routines, and we were all so exasperated and frustrated at watching these college player ladies, torturously look and plumb-bob their puts from every conceivable direction, and mark and replace and remark to get their cheater line so perfect. I suspect all of those 18-20somethings in that last Am group were golf academy schooled.
But, I didn't see any of them haucking up loogeys, the little darlings... ;D
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Kalen it’s at the end of paragraph 3 of the article I linked. I made a direct quote for you in brackets. You see what you want to see.
Sitting let me be clear is projecting fluid form your body why compare it to sharing a cup?
If Wiki won’t do how about The world Health Organisation. Paragraph two.
http://www.emro.who.int/stb/Facts-AboutTB.htm
For those of you who can’t bring yourselves to condemn an action that spreads disease, why do you want to promote it as being acceptable at best? What right are we abusing when (as happens in some countries) it’s banned. Fine by me if you do it in your own home but not in public please.
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Tony, not to engage in a debate with you on something you apparently feel quite strongly about, for purpose of upsetting you... I just wonder if the practice of spitting on turf, or other athletic fields or pitches, why haven't we heard of any athletes contracting respiratory diseases that might be obviously corresponding to sputum, mucus, phlegm exposure?
In fact, there are far more obvious and present dangers in soil born bacterial disease that are naturally occurring in certain soils, than microbial and bacterial residue of spit, in my humble estimation based on NO scientific data or knowledge. But, anecdotally speaking, my wife got exposed to 'Valley Fever" ( a soil born infection that greatly mimics TB causing legion in the lungs - treated with anti-biotics) that could have only been contracted one day when we spent a great deal of time tooling around Rustic Canyon during construction where sand and dust was kicked up quite a great deal. Valley fever is only found in U.S. in SoCal ag valleys and AZ. Blastomycosis and other soil born diseases are a factor where I live, which occur along swampy or low riverside mucky soils and hikers and stream fisherman have a factor of risk.
But, have you or anyone else ever heard of any disease contracted by an athlete, most particularly a golfer, attributed to spitting? I haven't even heard of a boxer getting a specific respiratory disease like TB or other related, from all the sputum they spray on eachother in a match, have you?
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Last year at The Masters, the Augusta National overlords notified Rickie Fowler that wearing his hat backwards is not condoned.
Look forward to Keegan receiving similar direction about spitting after his first practice round.
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Howard, I seem to have it in my memory banks that Tiger has deposited some rather viscous expectorates around that hallowed ground. Would that be a haughty double standard, if true? But, as young Keegan has already acknowledged, he'll try to curtail it. Let's see how that goes...
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I didn't see either of them spitting but I followed a bit of the Senden-Day match on the front nine yesterday and those two are painfully slow. Partly because they were both playing rather poorly, but they were a full three holes behind the match in front of them!
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Howard, I seem to have it in my memory banks that Tiger has deposited some rather viscous expectorates around that hallowed ground. Would that be a haughty double standard, if true? But, as young Keegan has already acknowledged, he'll try to curtail it. Let's see how that goes...
Good memory. Tiger let one go as recent as last year at Augusta.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-10/sports/29420343_1_tiger-woods-japan-s-hideki-matsuyama-poor-judgment (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-10/sports/29420343_1_tiger-woods-japan-s-hideki-matsuyama-poor-judgment)
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I don't know why I keep coming back to this subject. But it has my curiosity.
Then Howard, is there a slippery slope, or not so slippery and more a line of rigid decorum? It seems our man Tiger has had more than his share of such displays of poor etiquette. Didn't he and Stevie have an episode of farting and laughing about it not too long ago, clearly picked up by the broadcast? Is that also uncouth enough to merit a fine? Then what is next, belching overtly and purposefully? Isn't that a sign of approval to a meal in some cultures? Perhaps after a famous pimento cheese sandwich on the tee, a foreign player gives out a big overt belch; then what? And what of the sweaty player who gets his undies in a bunch with some twisted recovery shot, reaches in on a hot day to grab a handful of male fruit and rearrange them in the old horn of plenty? Ahhhh, that feels better! ;D
I don't know... maybe rather than legislate how to be polite, suave and deboner... we ought to leave it to the public who are offended to say, 'what an a-hole', or to wives and mothers to correct their impolite children or spouses. But then again that leaves Tiger a 50% disadvantage.
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Dick I doubt you could ever upset me...
To address your argument
1 Healthy athletes can be carriers without being personally struck down by the disease. Carriers can spread.
2 I mentioned athletes generally in an earlier post. Tell me are the young kids in London going to be influenced by my arguments against this or by watching top sportsmen ‘gobbing’ (to use the local vernacular) on TV? The governing bodies should hit the players in the only place they seem to hurt these days , their wallets.
Maybe it is a European sensibility, but from Camnille, La Traviata, La Boheme through TB Sheets the shadow of Consumption lays a heavy pall. Generations were blighted by it and within my lifetime it was under control. Now there are drug resistant varieties and its making a comeback.
Now a question for you. Why on earth do you (and others) support, or at least tolerate, such a habit?
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Tony,
Not to rain on your parade, but once again, its best to remain accurate. Site after site all say that only "active TB" carriers are contagious. Latent or non-active carriers are not contagious because the disease is not in thier saliva.
"However, a person with latent TB infection, but not disease, cannot spread the infection to others, since there are no TB germs in the sputum"
http://www.health.ny.gov/diseases/communicable/tuberculosis/fact_sheet.htm
"Transmission can only occur from people with active—not latent—TB."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuberculosis#cite_note-Robbins-0
As most people have the latent form, most aren't contagious. And of those who do have it and are being treated, they are almost always no longer contagious after only two weeks of treatment.
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The best thing that ever happened to me was being able to play in Scotland on a regular basis. It immediately sped up my game, allowed me let go of my overall attachment to "score" and thus my enjoyment of the game. Now do not get me wrong, I still burn internally to do my best, but when I see the ball leave the face not towards a hazard...I might as well pick up my bag and start walking after it. :)
As far as spitting....I am not much of a spitter so I cannot judge. However, I have played in several State tournaments. Usually in Mid-Ams, no one spits...in Ams, most of the younger crowd spits. Just an observation. Maybe they think it is what they are supposed to do....or maybe salivary glands are more active at a younger age. I have no idea.
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Now a question for you. Why on earth do you (and others) support, or at least tolerate, such a habit?
Honestly Tony, I don't know? I am and was appalled at Sergio's display, previously mentioned. And, I didn't see the one of Tiger's in Dubai that he was fined for, although I read a good piece on it:
http://www.cbssports.com/golf/story/14692992/spittake-leaves-tigers-road-to-redemption-in-spittoon (http://www.cbssports.com/golf/story/14692992/spittake-leaves-tigers-road-to-redemption-in-spittoon)
I guess it is the manner in which it is done, as an overt act of disrespect or uncouthness, or a bi-product of honest and real physiological process during the moment, in play outdoors, etc. I know I won't be apologizing for doing so when I get a mouthful of asthmatic or exercise induced or hypersensitive throaty over production of phlegm if I don't make a show of it, or discretely launch it out of companions way or they also do it in such manner. I know I am not about to swallow that much. (still no jokes submitted by the way) BTW also, we called it gobbing also when I was a kid.
I'm not insensitive to any real potential for TB, and in fact my uncle Jim Daley, whom I never knew and died of TB a few months before I was born in 1948, after a long time confined in a sanitarium. But, TB isn't really any concern in any of the environs, where I live or play. So, I tolerate it, particularly if it is not so much a habit as an outdoor, in the moment sporting activity bi-product. Certainly not indoors or at the church picnic or such polite and obvious place not to do so. It is context of the setting for me I guess.
Now, for this most famous of spits, you will just have to sit through the first top 9 'favorite GWB moments', to get to the all important and relavant, #1!!! :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gFqWwoipGs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gFqWwoipGs)
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Given the percentage of skin-headed soccer hooligans lurking the streets of their urban areas, one is never sure if an innocent glance held a beat too long might be the precursor for a Liverpool "kiss', a Glascow "smile" or some other form of random violence aimed in your direction. I have never felt so vulnerable walking around the streets of any city, and I have lived in the Lower Haight, East of 16th Street in DC and in New York City when David Dinkins was mayor...
Maybe, as they leave your bloodied corpse for the local constabulary to sort out, they quip; "sorry old chap... dreadful misunderstanding...awfully sorry" ?
What a pile of crap. Skin-headed soccer hooligans? I take it that it's at least 20 years since you were anywhere near a "soccer hooligan"? And when was the last time you wondered around a British inner city? You describe an experience which was only to be had in the imagination of Daily Mail readers at the very worst of times.
For what it's worth I feel pretty safe in most areas of most citieS I have ever visited but I'd far rather be forced to walk through a rough part of London than a rough part of Washington DC. Whatever you think about the British dislike of spitting, your post was xenophobic rubbish of the most ignorant sort.
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It's funny how everybody always talks about the pros playing slow and the tour never does anything, because it is true!!!!! You go to an amateur event, though, and the officials crack down on every slow player, especially the U.S. Am. I heard a stat where at least 10% of the golfers at least received a shot penalty during the stroke rounds. One golfer made an ace but received a two because of slow play. The USGA has timers every 4-5 holes (if you are wondering how a golfer with an ace received a slow play penalty) and they will crack down if you don't have a reason for playing an average of about 18 minutes per hole or less (bathroom break, looked for lost balls, made a 9, etc.) I wish the tour would do something about the slow play. I hate it when professional sports players, in general, think they can do anything because of their "I'm a pro" and rub-it-in-your-face attitude.
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It's funny how everybody always talks about the pros playing slow and the tour never does anything, because it is true!!!!! You go to an amateur event, though, and the officials crack down on every slow player, especially the U.S. Am. I heard a stat where at least 10% of the golfers at least received a shot penalty during the stroke rounds. One golfer made an ace but received a two because of slow play. The USGA has timers every 4-5 holes (if you are wondering how a golfer with an ace received a slow play penalty) and they will crack down if you don't have a reason for playing an average of about 18 minutes per hole or less (bathroom break, looked for lost balls, made a 9, etc.) I wish the tour would do something about the slow play. I hate it when professional sports players, in general, think they can do anything because of their "I'm a pro" and rub-it-in-your-face attitude.
Are the players going to take their ball and go home? No play no pay. No visibility no endorsements. Get tough with these guys and it should trickle down to the amateurs. The culture has to change at the pro level to affect the rest of the game. The reason these guys do it is because they are allowed to do it.
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Men who play sports have a tendency to spit when they do so.
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This all comes down to the letter "r" and the difference between pigs and prigs.
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Call me stodgy if you wish but I have always felt that golf has a certain decorum which lends to its overall quality and Keegan shouldn't have been spitting - even if it is just a nervous habit. (I don't he realized the issue and has said he is going to stop it and he should be commended for that.) I played at one of the more upscale private clubs in my area on Thursday and someone in front of us was leaving sunflower shells on the greens and it was driving my host crazy and I agree.
Okay, so here is another one that bothers me but I am sure others will find me terribly old fashioned. Sometimes I watch the Morning Drive show in the Golf Channel and the one guy is always wearing a really nice golf shirt and sweater with some cool logo on it. On the other hand, Eric, whatever his name is, always wears some non-golf long sleeved shirt with a couple of buttons opened. To me, he should either be wearing a golf shirt and/or sweater or a jacket and tie - is that too much to ask?
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Call me stodgy if you wish but I have always felt that golf has a certain decorum which lends to its overall quality and Keegan shouldn't have been spitting - even if it is just a nervous habit. (I don't he realized the issue and has said he is going to stop it and he should be commended for that.) I played at one of the more upscale private clubs in my area on Thursday and someone in front of us was leaving sunflower shells on the greens and it was driving my host crazy and I agree.
Okay, so here is another one that bothers me but I am sure others will find me terribly old fashioned. Sometimes I watch the Morning Drive show in the Golf Channel and the one guy is always wearing a really nice golf shirt and sweater with some cool logo on it. On the other hand, Eric, whatever his name is, always wears some non-golf long sleeved shirt with a couple of buttons opened. To me, he should either be wearing a golf shirt and/or sweater or a jacket and tie - is that too much to ask?
you mean the guy who looks like a complete tool on the way to a disco?
excess makeup and all...
Holly Sonders is actually the golfer of the group and yet is rarely called on to comment,but when she does she actually adds to the conversation.
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Sorry Jerry but I have to agree with Jeff on the Critical Issue of the Morning Drive co-hosts. Unfortunately I can't remember Eric's co-host's name but he looks like some weanie blueblood named Chip or Trip or Trey. Maybe his Country Day School chums still call him Flap or Scooter because he looks and sounds like he might be able to get a game with another famous vest-wearing guy, Rick Sanitorium. Well dressed? Yes. Interesting, a guy you might want to have a beer with? Not so much.
Just remembered. It's Gary something.
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Fish bars are usually clean places.
Anthony
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Jerry Kluger, either you aren't stodgy or we both are.
Bradley's spitting is similar to an untucked shirt or a backwards hat. It doesn't really hurt anyone but it just isn't a good idea, and I wouldn't let my children do it on a golf course.
WW
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Terry: I read Jeff's post as agreeing with me that Eric looks like he's on his way to a disco and not all like a golfer or a host on a golf show.
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Terry: I read Jeff's post as agreeing with me that Eric looks like he's on his way to a disco and not all like a golfer or a host on a golf show.
That's the difference between us Jerry. You read it for content and I scanned it looking for an opportunity for a cheap comedic shot!
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"They waggle for hours; the stroll rather than walk; the dive into their monstrous bags in search of the right club and then it is the wrong number, but they are not sorry that we have been troubled; their putting is a kind of funereal ping-pong. We could forgive them all these tricks, from which we ourselves are conspicuously free, if it were not for the absurd punctilio with which they observe the rules. They will insist on waiting on the people in front of them when it must be palpable even to their intellects that the best shot the ever hit in their lives would be fifty yards short." Bernard Darwin in the essay "The People in Front".
This comes from someone who extolls the virtues of TOC as a place where you can count on playing an unhurried four-ball match in three hours. I suspect that if he played now at a time when an unhurried four-ball match is expected to take 4 and a half hours, he might have given up golf and never been inducted into the golf hall of fame.