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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: Doug_Nickels on July 26, 2009, 08:10:47 PM
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I am looking for examples of courses that have hole(s) playing over a public road. I know Shinnecock and The Old Course have roads but would like more examples.
Thanks in advance.
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Cypress Point Club.
Stanford Univ. Golf Course
Pebble Beach Golf Links
Lake Chabot (Oakland California)
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Doug:
Just from the world top twenty:
St. Andrews (the 1st & 18th play over Granny Clark's Wynd)
Shinnecock Hills (12th & 13th)
National Golf Links of America (8th & 11th)
Pebble Beach (15th & 16th)
Cypress Point (1st)
Pine Valley (18th plays over entrance drive)
Crystal Downs (12th plays over entrance drive in front of tee)
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No one's going to mention the Reverse Jans?
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Valparaiso CC plays over a fairly busy road (Indiana)
#17 at Olympia Fields North plays over the entrance road.
I think its #9 at Long Cove where the back tee plays over a road.
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i think Mid Ocean!!?
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The 11th on the Shore Course at MPCC plays over Ocean Road.
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Royal Worlington & Newmarket
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Mid Ocean plays over the road on a few holes, including 2-4.
Omaha Field Club (several times)
Cape Arundel (Entry Road)
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Misquamicut (RI)
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Mid Ocean does indeed play over a lot of roads, on the tee shot to the 2nd, the tee shot to the 4th, the tee shot on the 13th, the tee shot on the 14th, the second shot on the 15th, and the tee shot on the 16th. Four of those are playing over one of the main artery roads on Bermuda, and to make matters worse, half the traffic is people riding motor scooters.
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Although I think it's just the driveway into the course you can add Ganton to the list.
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I think the 5th at Trump National LA plays over a road too...
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schenley park golf course, Pittsburgh PA, holes 2, 8, 9, 13, 14, 15, 17
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Atlantic City Country Club! Several times!
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The back tee on 3 at Debordieu.
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10th at RavisloeCC
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In Pinehurst you have the 15th hole on #1 Course and the 3rd hole on #5 Course.
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Royal North Devon #3 & 17
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Dellwood CC in New City, New York. Both the 1st and 17th holes both play over an active public road. The club actually does not allow drivers to be hit from the 17th tee or ANY club from the tee that might reach the roadway.
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Tom Doak,
The 7th at Pine Valley also plays over the same road.
The 2nd at Fenway.
Several holes at Dellwood, an AWT course in New York.
# 1 and # 7.
I believe that one of the holes (7th ?) has a traffic light on the tee, for the golfers.
Red = don't hit, Green = tee off.
It's quite unique.
The 10th at GCGC ?
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The 7th and 4th at Huntington CC...RHE
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Winged Foot East #4 from at least one set of back tees plays over a road and over water!
Also, Gleneagles at the Equinox in VT plays over a road.
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CincinnTi Country Club, twice.
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Shennecossett, twice/
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#5 at Glen Echo CC in St. Louis plays over the entrance driveway
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Several holes at Dellwood, an AWT course in New York.
# 1 and # 7.
I believe that one of the holes (7th ?) has a traffic light on the tee, for the golfers.
Red = don't hit, Green = tee off.
It's quite unique.
I've played Dellwood a number of times but don't recall a light telling you when to hit. The times that I've played it the local rule prohibited hitting over the road on your tee shot and there is a penalty for doing so. Each hole has a landing area on the same side of the road as the teeing ground and you are then supposed to hit over the road on your second shot. The course was built on the Adolph Zukor estate and the road is called Zukor Road. The course was designed by Tillinghast and at the time it was buit there was not much traffic on the road. Today is a different story and you often have to step away from address several times as cars approach.
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Posted by: AndyTroeger
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I think the 5th at Trump National LA plays over a road too... [/quote]
I played Trump LA last week and don't recall a road on #5 or any other hole there. Here is a photo of #5 from the tee. There is a low area but I don't think there is a road there.
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Greensburg CC in Greensburg PA....the boyhood home of Rocco Mediate playes over a very busy road. A fence protects the road. If you hit the fence you get to drop on the other side about 100 yards from the green. The road is about 175 from the green.
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San Gabriel Country Club in LA, The 18th hole has one of the funniest tee shots I have ever played. You approach the tee box and think, “wait one second this can't be right." The tee box is literally 10 feet in front of a 5 foot tall black metal fence, and then you hit over a 2 land road that is pretty busy, and then on top of it trees all the way down the left, and another road on the right loaded with trees. Quite an intimidating tee shot, the big black fence is what tops it off though.
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Grossinger GC - Little G Course Liberty, NY
Glen Brook GC East Stroudsburg, PA
Charlevoix GC - Charlevoix, MI
The Club at Lochenheath Williamsburg, MI
Water Gap CC Del-Water-Gap, PA
Cape Arundel GC Kenebunkport, ME (entry road to course several times)
Garrison GC Garrison, NY (entry road to course)
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Mid Ocean plays over the road on a few holes, including 2-4.
Omaha Field Club (several times)
Cape Arundel (Entry Road)
Mid-Ocean also has a road in front of the Biarritz, is that #11?
Has no one mentioned Painswick's 17th hole?
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Victoria Golf Club's 7th and 17th holes tee shots go over a road. As does the first at Fallbrook.
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10th at Yale
17th Sugarbush CC
North Fork CC - dont remember the hole #, Cutchogue, NY (Some holes are attributed to Ross)
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So it's a pretty uncommon thing, then...
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18 @ Tobacco Road.
WW
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My home course used to play under one :o
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The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!
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The 15th at TCC-Brookline plays over the entrance drive. Any drive over about 280 will roll across the road.
The 9th at the Ross Course at French Lick also plays over the entrance road.
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Onion Creek Club #18 - Austin, TX
Tascosa Country Club #18 - Amarillo, TX
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The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!
Plus a cemetery on the left in the driving zone! It's a busy tee shot. There's also a set of stairs up to a viewing platform.
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I played Trump LA last week and don't recall a road on #5 or any other hole there. Here is a photo of #5 from the tee. There is a low area but I don't think there is a road there.
Stewart,
I'm pretty sure there's a road down there--its not something you would notice unless you're looking for it because its well below the level of the playing area. It was definitely paved although I can't guarantee it wasn't just a maintenance road.
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40 posts and no mention of Bandon Trails. #3 & #17 over Round Lake Dr.
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The 9th at Sebonack.
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#1 at Cypress Point
#8 (I think) at Equinox in VT
#10 and #18 at Rosapenna-Old, although no longer, as that nine is being taken out of play.
#1 at Bass Rocks in Gloucester, MA
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Ok Doug,
Now that you have oodles of examples, what were you hoping to discover? ;)
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Doesn't the first at the Teeth of the Dog go over a road as well?
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As previously stated, my home course Dellwood CC has 2 holes over the same road.
The 1st hole is a par 4 which a 3 wood or driver gets the ball over, although most of the membership can't reach it.
The 7th hole is a par 5 with a blind tee shot. For this reason, you have to lay back short of the road. Any ball that crosses the road off this tee is considered OB.
Because of the length of the first hole, and the local "lay back" rule on the 7th hole, the road really only comes in to play on the second shot of both holes.
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Here are a few more:
Galen Hall GC Wernersville, pa
The Pennhills Club Bradford, pa (over entry road twice)
Coudersport GC Coudersport, pa (over entry road)
Chris
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Two that I know of in the greater Phoenix area:
Mesa Country Club plays back and forth across the entry drive.
San Marcos GC in Chandler has a seldom used back tee on #18 that crosses a road that accesses the housing on the inside perimeter of the course.
I realize these are more "mundane" than some of the more glamorous examples.
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Pasatiempo #2 from the back tee.
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#10 at French Creek
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The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!
Plus a cemetery on the left in the driving zone! It's a busy tee shot. There's also a set of stairs up to a viewing platform.
Dont forget that at Painswick one of those roads on the 17th is also driven across on 16. There is also the road that crosses where the 4th and 13th tees have their little face off.
A little known Alister MacKenzie course in Devon, Teignmouth has a road that crosses the 12th and 15th holes. Not usually a problem as its pretty wide open up there but it became obvious to me one day how dangerous it could be when I was driving through a thick fog and suddenly realised that I was on one of the roads crossing the golf course, but luckily there weren't many nutters out that day!
These are both pretty quiet country roads.
As already mentioned there are lots of examples of courses where the driveway, or a smaller access road to nearby houses or to the beach, pass over some holes like at St Enodoc, Ganton and Hunstanton.
There are also course which historically had holes crossing a road but had to be redesigned as the car became more popular. I'm thinking of Lindrick, site of the 1957 GB&I Ryder Cup Victory, when prior to the 1930s a couple of holes played across a road.
Lastly, and I'm sure there are tons of examples of this, but you have courses where you have to cross road between holes, where once it would have been not very busy and now one has to do their best chicken impersonation ;D Of specific interest on this front are Sutton Coldfield where the clubhouse has no view over the course as its on the other side of a busy suburban road. The other is Walton Heath, where the clubhouse and first hole are on one side of the road, while the rest of the old course and the whole of the new are on the other. I can't say for certain, but I'm sure at one point the roads in both these cases were not that busy, and the trees along them young, so there may have once been very little impact from the road?
Doug, as you are asking for examples, is it the safety aspect of cars and pedestrians crossing a golf hole or is it the incorporation of the tarmac surface that is the issue?
Cheers,
James
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Wentworth plays over the road 8 times I think, 1-2-3-4-5-16-17-18.
Our good friend Painswick has the 1st, 4th, 13th, 16th and 17th
There used to be a golf course called Tower Hill where from the 3rd tee you played directly across the clubs car park! It was much lower but a nice fat one would see you dump your ball onto the cars. This course had a dog leg par 3, a green of about 50 squared feet and a few other rarieties. Its no longer there though.
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17th at Alwoodley
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The first at R. Dornoch. The road to the beach is right in front of the 1st tee. It could cause quite a dent.
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Thanks everyone for all the information.
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My home club, Scarboro Golf & CC in Toronto has the 18th hole where the tee shot plays over Scarborough Golf Club Road, at least from the White, Blue and Gold tees. There is a fence to protect cars from tee shots so that is an additional obstacle but in most rounds (but not tournaments) there is a local rule allowing a free rehit if your shot hits the fence.
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Ihink MPCC takes the cake here.
Road Crossings;
DUNES
Between 1 and 2
" 2 and 3
" 5 and 6
under the road between 8 and nine
Between 12 and thirteen
" 13 and 14
" 14 and 15
" 17 and 18
SHORE.
Between 1 and 2
" 3 and 4
" 6 and 7
" 10 and 11
" 17 and 18
Bob
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Princess Anne CC, Virginia Beach, VA
#2, #5, #7, #9, #12, #14, #15, all over public a public road. At one point you could add #1 and #11.
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Both par 3's. I believe it's the 3rd at Glenwood Springs GC in Colorado and I think the 4th at Hurricane Creek in Anna, Texas.
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The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!
Does anyone have a picture of the view from the teebox? I'm having trouble visualizing this.....I knew Painswick was quirky but damn!
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Both par 3's. I believe it's the 3rd at Glenwood Springs GC in Colorado and I think the 4th at Hurricane Creek in Anna, Texas.
Sam,
Hurricane Creek? More please....in PM if necessary.
Thanks,
Wyatt
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The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!
Does anyone have a picture of the view from the teebox? I'm having trouble visualizing this.....I knew Painswick was quirky but damn!
Courtesy of James Boon's awesome Painswick pic thread (http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,35805.0/).
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn267/jamesboon53/DSC03162.jpg)
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The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!
Does anyone have a picture of the view from the teebox? I'm having trouble visualizing this.....I knew Painswick was quirky but damn!
Courtesy of James Boon's awesome Painswick pic thread (http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,35805.0/).
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn267/jamesboon53/DSC03162.jpg)
Thanks Scott,
And dont forget that the tee shot into this landing area is blind!
Cheers,
James
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Scarborough Golf Club (Scarboro) in Toronto
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Shennecossett, twice/
And over a railroad to boot. Hard to match that.
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Posting this on behalf of Niall Carlton.
(http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/350dtm/UisguintuieGCIslayplanEvenTimes18th.jpg)
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Thanks Bryan. Thought folks might like to see this little gem which NLE. By my reckoning their were 8 holes straddling Islays main road. Sadly the article doesn't mention whether the bunkers had sleepers.
Niall
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Two more:
Cavalier G & YC Virginia Beach, VA
Bostonia CC Distant, PA
Chris
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The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!
Does anyone have a picture of the view from the teebox? I'm having trouble visualizing this.....I knew Painswick was quirky but damn!
Courtesy of James Boon's awesome Painswick pic thread (http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,35805.0/).
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn267/jamesboon53/DSC03162.jpg)
I don't see any intersection there, I guess that's hidden by the trees? I guess its not as bad as I was imagining, even a wild hitter like me is probably not going to endanger those cars unless the road is a lot further away than it looks!
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Stanford # 1.
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Both par 3's. I believe it's the 3rd at Glenwood Springs GC in Colorado and I think the 4th at Hurricane Creek in Anna, Texas.
Sam,
Hurricane Creek? More please....in PM if necessary.
Thanks,
Wyatt
Nothing great, nice course right off of 75 north of McKinney. We played the NTPGA Assistants Championship up there a few years ago.
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Doug,
I've attached an annotated aerial of the 17th at Painswick which hopefully shows the cross roads better? Its pretty tight down there with OOB left and right and the cross roads. It is a reasonably quiet road, but it is a public road not just a driveway to the clubhouse. I did once find my ball sitting in themiddle of the cross roads and I wouldn't be suprised if someone has hit one that goes running down the road to the right, that ends up on the main road at the bottom of the hill?
he picture in the previous reply is taken walking after a drive on 17, when just past the 16th green. The aerial doesnt show the raised ground here that makes it a blind tee shot...
Cheers,
James
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Shoreacres plays over the entrance driveway....
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Shoreacres plays over the entrance driveway....
Lake Chabot in Oakland, CA plays over the entrance driveway 5 times!!!! ;D
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North Andover CC (over power lines as well, for an added visual bonus)
If you include entrance road, Ludlow CC (MA), Belgrade Lakes (ME), Woodland Golf Club (MA), Crumpin-Fox (MA)
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#2 at Essex County (NJ)
#1 and #4 at Willimantic (CT)
#18 at Fenway
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inwood 10 and white bear 5 and 12.
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Doug,
I've attached an annotated aerial of the 17th at Painswick which hopefully shows the cross roads better? Its pretty tight down there with OOB left and right and the cross roads. It is a reasonably quiet road, but it is a public road not just a driveway to the clubhouse. I did once find my ball sitting in themiddle of the cross roads and I wouldn't be suprised if someone has hit one that goes running down the road to the right, that ends up on the main road at the bottom of the hill?
he picture in the previous reply is taken walking after a drive on 17, when just past the 16th green. The aerial doesnt show the raised ground here that makes it a blind tee shot...
Cheers,
James
Great picture, gotta get back! ;D That tee shot on 16, over the grassed quarry grounds, is amazingly daunting. Tlhe tee shot on 17 is even more nerve wracking.
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Boulders (Carefree, AZ) No. 6 South Course plays over the entry to the main resort.
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Holes playing over a road.....hmmmmmmm I think I have one
;)
Cheers,
(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/97/l_7d24d817489e4b4aa9d8f3aaaeb58cf8.jpg)
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40 posts and no mention of Bandon Trails. #3 & #17 over Round Lake Dr.
I agree. Bandon Trails is what first came to mind for me. Also the post regarding San Gabriel Country Club which I agree is very unusual.
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All in Southern California...
Hacienda 14
Victoria Club 7 & 18
Moreno Valley Ranch (Mtn) 9
Mountain View 18
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The 2nd tee at Chestfield, in Kent, England is directly above the A299 dual carraigeway!
When they built the new highway it was routed directly through the middle of the golf course. Their solution was to cut and cover the road and put the golf course back on top. Jonathan Gaunt was the architect. i've tried to attach an image. If it doesn't work you can see it in Google Earth clearly enough.
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Hooray! No longer a picture virgin ;D
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11th at Deal plays over the ancient highway
Whilst the 1st at Deal plays alongside the road the odds are pretty low of some "road action" during the BUDA!
14th (?) at R Adelaide is pretty cool hitting over the railway line.
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Lucky your bro isn't playing, Mark, or the oldies having lunch in the clubhouse would be in danger ;D
At Deal a month or so back I was telling a visitor about the Ancient Highway as we approached the 11th green and a couple of oldies toddled past. The woman, who must have been 70-plus, says "Did you hear that?" to her husband. "He just said 'here comes a couple of ancients on the highway'." ;D
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Haven't read all of these posts, but Wentworth (West) in Surrey, UK plays over several roads, starting on the first tee, with a road crossing below the elevated tee, also at the second par-3 and on a number of holes thereafter.
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I am rather fond of Painswick's 17th, but the best over-roader I have seen is Trevose's excellent 18th. From the back tees this is a monster par 4 - something like 470 uphill. Even from the daily marker of 430ish carrying the road on the second can be problematic into a good breeze. I haven't mentioned the tweeked nerves yet. Combine this with the necessary eagle eye skill of gaging when its safe to play through all the people and cars and you have one hell of an over-road doozy.
(http://www.trevose-gc.co.uk/images/course_map/course-map.jpg)
Ciao
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Sean, not to mention that in playing that shot you also have players making their way to the Short and Headland courses by way of the 18th fairway, resort guests bustling around... a lot happening!
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I can testify that the 18th at Trevose is dangerous. Whilst checking out the course on a drive through my car was struck by a wayward approach shot to the 18th green.
Fortunately it was a glancing blow. Even more fortunately it was a hire car and no-one noticed the mark when I returned it ;)
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17th at Alwoodley
Not to mention a fence!
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The tee shot on the 17th at Teeth of the Dog used to play over an airport runway although I've heard they've since moved it (the jetport, that is).
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Macdonald's Piping Rock plays over club roads a whole bunch of times as does his NGLA, his Links Club (NLE), Mid Ocean, and even The Creek Club in the beginning. If he really did have something to do with Merion East it would not surprise if those original holes crossing Ardmore Ave were endorsed by him too. Given his love of TOC and the proximity of roads to those holes it seems like playing near or over roads was very much a Macdonald thing which he may've even looked to do! ;)
I don't think there is much question that using existing roads as hazard features was very common in early golf architecture. Obviously they looked at roads as a ready-made and preexisting hazard feature to use.
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Hole No.15 at Colt designed Royal Belfast Golf Club in Northern Ireland plays over a street just crossing in front of the green....
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My home club, Scarboro Golf & CC in Toronto has the 18th hole where the tee shot plays over Scarborough Golf Club Road, at least from the White, Blue and Gold tees. There is a fence to protect cars from tee shots so that is an additional obstacle but in most rounds (but not tournaments) there is a local rule allowing a free rehit if your shot hits the fence.
Had to dig up this topic again after playing Scarboro G&CC yesterday in our provincial better ball qualifier. The 18th hole here is quite something - none of us had played the course before and we sat around for at least two minutes before figuring out that we had to hit our tee shots over the protective fence, uphill and over the main road to reach the hidden fairway.
Loved the course - a true Canadian gem (rated 53rd in Canada) and Tillinghast's only Canadian design. Loved the new Ian Andrew/Gil Hanse bunkers...just gorgeous!
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But have we yet established why the author wanted to learn all this information?
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One of the courses at Moor Park (can't remember which) crosses the access road but I guess that isn't uncommon.
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Holes 1 & 4 at The University Club of Connecticut (formerly Willimantic CC) play across Club Rd in Willimantic, CT.
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Mark, I recall several holes playing across internal roads at Moor Park. Doesn't the par-3 18th on the High Course sit just beyond one of the roads? While these roads are within the estate and not technically public there is traffic on them, as at Wentworth, with so much housing on the estate. By the way, the traffic calming humps on Sandy Lodge Lane within the estate are some of the fiercest I've encountered.8
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White bear...5 AND 12. Pix soon.
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Even better than a road, courses in Scotland and Ireland that have stone walls that come into play. Notably North Berwick in Scotland which is famous for "the pit". One of the top courses I have played as far as a course with "character". Then Tralee which might have one of the most fun 9 holes around.
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Yeamans Hall #1 plays over the entrance road as well...
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It would be pretty hard to beat San Gabriel CC #18 tee shot. This is one hole where you are penalized if you play the middle tees. You better get that ball up quick!
(http://i485.photobucket.com/albums/rr220/pferlicca/SG18t.jpg)
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Mid Ocean is not the only course in Bermuda to play over a road:
Port Royal #2
St. George's #14
I can't recall much of the other courses but I seem to recall others do so as well. Land is a bit tight on the island.
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Peter, that might be the "story beater" pic. WOW. Awesome photo...
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Given it is an oft discussed course here ahs anyone mentioned Greenbrier Old White #1?
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Just saw one on monday.. 18 at Fenway in Scarsdale, NY
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Three holes (#13, #14, and #17) at Louisville Country Club play over the same road. I don't think they used to, but the course has had a number of renovations over the past couple of decades, and the small road couldn't be moved/destroyed (it is the only way to get to a number of homes). I don't prefer it, but it definitely does create an interesting dynamic (you have to time the shots!).
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I believe a few holes at Leatherstocking play over a road.
Which holes play over a road at Atlantic City? Was that pre renovation? I dont remember playing over a road there.
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Schenley Park Golf Course in Pittsburgh crosses a well traveled city road on 3 holes.
In fact there is a sign at each end of the road declaring that risk is assumed by the drivers, that neither the golfer nor the course is responsible for damage -- and the sign lists the city ordinance declaring it. There are also lots of cyclists and walkers on this road because the golf course separate the Squirrel Hill neighborhood from Carnegie Mellon (and lots of profs & students live in Squirrel Hill).
#2 is a dog leg right par 4. First shot is parallel to the road. Then you hit a wedge over the road to the green. There is actually a chain link fence that boarders the road about 8 feet high but with a 2 foot gap at the bottom. You have to hit your drive left of the fence so you have room to wedge over the fence. The fence prohibits skulled shots from killing drivers/walkers/cyclists. You can see the shadow of the fence parallel to the road (on the north) if you look closely.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/imm91e.jpg)
The other two crossings are far less dangerous. Both holes (which are side-by-side) are 300 yard par 4s, I think they're 8 & 17. The tees and greens are elevated and the road is in the valley. Basically drives just bang into the side of the hill. If you're lucky the ball sticks and you have an uphill wedge/punch. If you're unlucky the ball rolls all the way back to the bottom of the hill and you have a long, very uphill 2nd shot. The trees look like they're in the way of the tee shot, but they're well below both the tees & the greens because the valley is deep.
(http://i39.tinypic.com/esnuxj.jpg)
Awful course. But cheap and right next to campus!
Funny this is my advisor in grad school lived just on the other side of the course from campus. So mornings I'd play I would be on the lookout for him walking to school and try to hide if I saw him coming.
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Shennecossett (CT) #1, and #10.
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Elie #9
St Andrews Balgove and Jubilee
RTJ Course Cornell #8 (also telephone lines)
Boyne Highlands Heather
and a personal favorite I just got to experience, Tain #1 and 18. There are fences as well and sheep grids at the crossing points.
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many mentioned aleady
mid ocean 4 - lovely hole14 / 15-hit a bus once there wit a second shot
scarboro's 18th
yale 10
ngla and shinny have some
pine valley
sunningdale old has a trail / pedestrian walkway across fairway on hole 2 with non golfers having tight of way
olympia fields south 17
cypress 1
shoreacres 1 -back tee
atlantic city
walton heath old
piping rock
essex county club outside boston may have one
15 at the national in toronto
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Berkhamsted GC (Herts) - Multiple Holes (some at ground level)
Henley GC (Oxon) - 3rd Hole (Road hidden behind a mound that Red Tee sits on, which was suggested by Cecil Leitch when she was Ladies President in the 1920s)
See:
https://x.com/CambridgeGrey/status/1847699181814640748
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https://x.com/CambridgeGrey/status/1851998505490882682
Verulam GC (Herts) - 17th Hole - (Par 3 where they have had to install a fence to protect traffic, no choice I guess)
Sunningdale Heath (Surrey) - 1st & 15th
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Vesper CC 1st hole
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Elie #9
And 8
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Two occasions I recall when a shot played over a road hit a car and on both occasions the type of car was ……….. a VW ‘Golf’. Ironic. Coincidence. The odds at a bookies. Whatever.
:) :)
Atb
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No mention on this thread of 18 at Ganton or 17 at Goswick. 15 and 17 on Crail Balcomie.
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It was done after I was there but at some point Arnold added a tee on #15 such that the tee shot plays over Bay Hill Blvd.
That said, not sure if they ever use it for daily play...
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Philadelphia Cricket Club’s St. Martins course plays over public roads 4 times in its 9 holes.
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I nearly hit a plumbing truck at NGLA the last time I was there.
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Philadelphia Cricket Club’s St. Martins course plays over public roads 4 times in its 9 holes.
St. Martins is such a contrast to Wissahickon and Militia Hill but so much fun to play!
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Philadelphia Cricket Club’s St. Martins course plays over public roads 4 times in its 9 holes.
St. Martins is such a contrast to Wissahickon and Militia Hill but so much fun to play!
I agree, I play it often and am happy to have a place that I can sneak out to play in about an hour.
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Manor Golf Club (1928 Alex Findlay design) in Sinking Springs, PA, plays over a public road twice (11 and 15). And you play over the road leading to the clubhouse twice as well (on 16 and 17).
Manor together with nearby Galen Hall makes for a raucous 36 hole day!
Photos of Manor GC from March of 2024:
http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/Manor_March2024/index.html
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I nearly hit a plumbing truck at NGLA the last time I was there.
That road goes across two holes!
I think the 8th and the 11th.
You have to drive over the road on the 8th and I can easily see how you could hit a plumbing or FeDex truck.
On 11, the tee shot comes short of a mound before the road where you now hit a 150 - 170 yard shot (depending on pin position) that is largely blind and the traffic seems less hazardous to all.
I was a bit surprised when I saw this first time.
It's NOT some small country road. Cars are going 40 mph+ and dont seem to care that you are there... ;D
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Ganton 17
Stanford 1
Sacred nine 9
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Bristol and Clifton 7th hole
Trevose 1st hole
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While people arrive at the beach in the morning or leave the beach in the late afternoon, Westward Ho! #17 might be the busiest street to hit over. I waited for what seemed like 5 minutes once for a gap in cars.
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1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 11, 14 and 18 of the Flynn nine-hole reversible (now unmaintained) at the Rockefeller estate in Pocantico Hills NY. After the treat in August of walking on some of it, I forgot to look for dents in the carriages shown at the conclusion of the tour.
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#2 and #18 at Sleepy Hollow...
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Te Arai North hole 9
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Berkhamsted (still, I think)
But (sadly) neither Royston nor Kingsdown do any more.
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Theoretically this also applies to #1 at Dornoch as the public road to the beach (Golf Rd) comes right up past the (soon to be old ) clubhouse and turns right after the first tee box before descending down to the beach.