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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: PThomas on May 27, 2009, 08:22:43 PM
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The last issue of Golf Digest's Index magazine has an article about a member of Yeamans Hall and Headwaters , both clubs that allow him to take his dog on the course when he plays at quiet times...i remember reading a similar article decades ago about a golfer - it might have been the legendary Bill Campbell - who took his dog out with him too
being a lifelong dog lover, i can't think of many cooler things than that: having your own pooch accompanying you as you play...the writer even mentions how his dog gets excited when they get near the 6th at Headwaters, cause it knows the hole has a water hazard and his owner throws a toy into the water hazard for him to retrieve!
any good similar stories anyone?
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I played Sherwood Country Club With Garland Bayley.
Anthony
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As best I can recall, the first time I saw a golfer and his dog together was on the Lundin Golf Club course in Lundin Links, Fife. I saw them on the first hole, in the rain, with a caddy. One golfer, one dog, a caddy and rain. We were in the restaurant in an inn, now maybe closed, overlooking the first fairway. I thought it was neat. I decided I wanted to play Lundin. In 2007, probably 10 years later, I did.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBtFTF2ii7U
not on a golf course, but a must see
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About two weeks ago I was on deck at The Old Course when someone stepped onto the first tee with their Golden Lab. Does that count?
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During my last round at Wild Horse I was joined by my wife and dog. We had the place to ourselves, and it was a round I'll never forget. Charlotte (my dog) wanted to try and retrieve nearly every shot (and would've if she wasn't on leash). Years later she still tries to follow the flight of the ball when I'm just swinging a club in the backyard.
(http://www.heavygen.com/gca/wildhorsefamily1.jpg)
Cheers,
Brad
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The best dogs on the course story that I am aware of is that of Cinderella who appeared in Bill Murrays book, "Out of Nowhere." A dear friend, Bill Brandt, now deceased, had a Black Labrador that was the greatest ball retriever in history. Bill, a member of the Beach and Tennis Club at Pebble beach would go over to the Club in the early morning for a cup of coffee. Afterward he would take Cinderella up the hedges on the right of the eighteenth hole of Pebble and Cinderella would plunge into the hedgerows and pull out brand new Titelists and Callaways with PB logos galore.
Later on, Cinderella taught my Max, a giant Rottie and Black lab mix to try his luck. The end result was that Bill accumulated a few thousand balls that he donated to a Pacific Grove charitable group but insisted that that they should charge att least a dollar a ball. They refused his request and basically gave them away. He then gave them to any youngster that he saw.
Cinderella and Max have passed on but my two Labs are now in training to carry on the tradition.
Bob
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Eric,
Great link. I think it should be required viewing for all of our Merion thread buddies.
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I saw a fellow with his cocker spaniel on #13 green out at Garden City MC last week. The dog looked happier to be there than I was!
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I remember the dogs following the SWWOG match at Sunningdale between Nicklaus and Player. They spoke about how the dogs were often seen as playing partners at the club.
I did see a couple out playing with their dogs in the late afternoon at Prairie Dunes a couple of weeks ago as well.
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some great stories guys, thanks
Eric, that video is awesome! i just had my youngest girl come down and watch it
Brad, i remember that picture from an earlier post by you...a yellow lab, yes? i have one too Junie B...
Sir Bob, hope those labs are doing well
Kyle, I dont think i've seen that entire match, cause i dont remember the dogs......and PD would be a great course for a dog with all the gunch for one to explore!
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Paul, in the UK there is no better indication of whether you are on a traditional course than the dog-count. And yes, Huntercombe, where I play always has a few dogs around. Mostly they pootle around gently beside or behind the owner, but occasionally you get a young tearaway who hares around the course. The younger ones are on leads, the older one's behave themselves. Mostly in the UK they are labradors, but you also get a fair number of terriers of one sort or other. Wherever you have a drinking fountain for humans there is invariably a little plastic bowl beneath for the pooches!
If I lived in the country I am sure i would do the same - the dogs are always so pleased to be out and their presence adds such a civilised dimension to the sport and the club.
No dog story, alas, can ever match the surreal humour of Peter Herreid's Pebble Beach companion who brought along not a dog, but his white rabbit!
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For a couple of years, I kept my membership at a small town country club about an hour away primarily so I could take my dog along during the winter. I never tried taking her when there would be more than a few groups out, but she probably would have been fine.
One day I needed to play quickly because I was going to visit some friends. So I took a cart, with Lola running alongside. On the last hole she just ignored me, went over to the parking lot, and plopped down beside the truck. Seems that she preferred walking too.
If there were any club around that encouraged (or at least permitted) dogs, I would likely join it - regardless of the architecture. I spend around an hour on dog walks every evening already. It would be so much better to have a couple of clubs along and play a few holes at the same time. The dog would get more exercise and I would get more golf in. Talk about win-win.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s196/jmayhugh/lolagolflookback.jpg)
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Dogs seem to be permitted on some of the courses in Argentina. But this may reflect nothing more than the fact that in a country with a horrible stray dog problem, no one minds if you bring a non-stray along when you golf.
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Philip, it certainly would be tough to top the PB bunny story!
and John you are so right about that win-win situation...i wish i could do that too!
and come to think of it, when I played Ekwanok the ladies in the group behind me had a little terrier with them riding along in their cart while they played...
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At the Irish Open at Baltray, there was a clip of a gentleman watching from the rough, with his dog at his side. My golden retriever might have had problems not retrieving any ball hit in the vicinity.
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another story just came back to me: in the highlights video for the 1970 British Open Trevino is shown missing a putt and after that you here him moaning about how hard he's worked and then somebody brings there dog out there (not sure if someone brought there dog our there or if it was a stray) and distracts him, yada , yada...
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Coincidentally, I just got off the phone with Richard Zokol. We talked about this very subject. Zokol's encouraging/allowing "qualified dogs" to accompany members of Sagebrush Golf and Sporting Club, in B.C., while playing the course.
Though I'm yet to play with a dog, it certainly sounds like a wonderful experience. Sagebrush will be one of the few clubs in Canada I can think of that will be encouraging members to take their dogs out, onto the course. Great stuff.
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Jeff:
Very smart move. I can't figure out why this doesn't happen at more clubs. Maybe Cabot will adopt this policy. I brought this issue up at my club and they looked at me like I was an alien.
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My home course allows members to bring their dogs as long as they are well behaved. We make sure the owners know there is no allowance for any trouble... first strike means no doggie. So far we've had no trouble whatsoever and we have usually 3 or 4 dogs per day. It's kind of cool to see a walker with his dog taking off from the first tee.
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Please pardon the following.
In 1998, my brother and I drove for the day to Hot Springs to play the Lower Cascades at the Homestead. The parking was (as it usually is) nearly empty. After checking in, the starter said "Mr. Snead is here today. He's on #2 by now. Take your time so you don't catch up to him." We played as slowly as we could, but were within sight many times, especially on the somewhat parallel holes near the middle of the front. Sam Snead was, indeed, playing. He was in a group of five, which occupied five golf carts.
At the turn, as we stopped to order a snack, JC Snead, who was chipping on the practice green immediately behind the clubhouse, said "They want you to play through. Play as fast as you can and don't wait on them to wave." We could see them ahead, hitting approach shots on the tenth. We forwent food and headed to the back.
A few minutes later, as we neared the tenth green we stopped to watch Mr. Snead hit his shot on the eleventh, a lovely downhill par four. He struck it pure, then called "Run, girl!" From his cart sprang a golden retriever, who proceeded to bound down the fairway, all the way to the green, where she circled a few times and laid down. She waited while he hit his approach, then walked to meet him as he arrived to putt.
On the twelfth tee, one of Mr. Snead's playing partners waited for us. He told us to play through. "Don't worry about any of those guys. Hit when you're ready," he instructed. Everyone ahead was waiting next to the par five's fairway, except for Mr. Snead, who continued to play towards the green. Minutes later, my third shot stopped in the fringe and left a birdie chip of about 18 feet. Mr. Snead's retriever was laying just a few paces from my ball when we arrived at the green.
Mr. Snead tended the pin and I hit my chip. It neared the hole, lipped out, and stopped about a foot past. To this, he remarked "That son of a bitch would have rolled off the green if it hadn't rained last night." All I could muster was "Thank you, sir."
I putted out, shook his hand, and walked to my cart. My brother said "Beautiful pup," to which Mr. Snead shared "I wouldn't be out here without her."
Before we drove to the thirteenth, I turned to see Mr. Snead already in his pocket and crouching, petting his dog. I'll always remember that image: a legend of the game, enjoying his day, and appreciating the finer things just a few miles from the place he was born.
WW
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great thread.
On the course I grew up playing, a little 2700 yard nine holer her in town, the owner had 2 labs that were the "course dogs." They just roamed the course, occasionally hanging out around tees and greens looking for a scratch or often just around the clubhouse greeting the golfers as they showed up. For whatever reason, the dogs just created a community feel to the place that I'll never forget.
I'd love to belong to a club someday that had "course dogs" and allowed mine out there too.
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Our club allows dogs but they must be kept on a leash, except the pro's dog Jesper (after Parnevik) but he never strays far from the spike bar where is a demon "sausager".
I often see a chap at St George's playing with his 3 Irish Wolfhounds. I'm told he's the pro there. He's got them well trained; they always walk across to Prince's to do their business :)
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great thread.
On the course I grew up playing, a little 2700 yard nine holer her in town, the owner had 2 labs that were the "course dogs." They just roamed the course, occasionally hanging out around tees and greens looking for a scratch or often just around the clubhouse greeting the golfers as they showed up. For whatever reason, the dogs just created a community feel to the place that I'll never forget.
I'd love to belong to a club someday that had "course dogs" and allowed mine out there too.
A public course I used to play at quite a bit had a dog. The dog hunted moles (I forget what his one year record was). When he wasn't out hunting, he would hang around the grill and patio with the golfers. Often he would ride in the carts with the rangers as well.
After a round one day, I asked a guy in the pro shop where Sam was. He said "Mrs. So-and-so's foursome is playing this morning, Sam likes to ride along with them when they play."
The dog died a few years ago and was buried complete with a marker under the flagpole right outside the pro shop.
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I had a scary on course dog encounter many years ago at Stockdale CC in Bakersfield, CA. I was playing the course for the first time and was carrying my bag in the afternoon and had the course to myself. The course was surrounded by big houses but there was noone within shouting distance when I got to the 13th hole. I got to the tee, propped my bag up and looked over my shoulder to see the biggest Doberman I had ever encountered standing still about five yards away from me looking what seemed to be eye to eye with me. The first thought I had was he must have escaped from one of the big houses and was a guard dog wondering what I was doing in his backyard. I looked around for an owner, but saw noone. I looked back at the huge hound, still standing silent, no movement what so ever and thought I am going to have one shot at him if I grab for a club before he goes for my throat. Thank God, the dog then sat back and started panting with his nub tail wagging.
After letting my heart get back into my chest from my throat, I carefully pulled out my driver and teed up my ball while he sat and watched. I then hit a great tee shot down the fairway at least 280 yds and the dog took off like a race horse after my ball. In what seemed like seconds the dog brought my ball back and dropped it almost on the spot I hit it from. I then figured out that his owner must have practiced with him. He looked for some gratitude so I gave him a pat on the head. I then thought how am I going to get rid of him and finish my round. I got an old ball out of my bag and teed it up in the opposite direction and let it fly. He took off after it and I took off on my hole hoping he wouldn't follow. Luckily I didn't see him again and finished my round.
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Most golf clubs in Northern Germany do not allow dogs on the golf course, which is a pity for my Dutch Shepherd dog FRODO!
Things are different in Eastern Germany, Bavaria, Denmark and France where most courses allow dogs on the course...
Some years ago I was playing Le Vaudreuil, a 1960s Hawtree design, some 80km west of Paris where the friendly club
manager told me while checking in that of course I could take my dog on the course, on lead.
After having finished the 18th hole with Frodo (see below picture) a lady club member came up to me and said "You're obviously
not French?" - " I replied "How did you find out without having listened to my lousy French? - "Oh" she said "French Golfers never have
their dogs on lead on the golf course even though it is compulsory!"
I'll never understand why it is not allowed to take well trained dogs onto my home course - a golf course at Brunstorf East of Hamburg has now discovered dogs as a marketing tool and they openly advertise that dog owners might bring their well behaved dogs with them. When paying the greenfee the dog owner receives a doggy bag to collect any leftovers - It's so easy isn't it? - at least (my) children are allowed at my home course!
Christoph
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i love these stories!
JAL, your story reminded of the tombstone there is on Lost Dunes for a dog..not sure if it was the clubs dog or the pro's or supers...quite touching
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Great sight for me yesterday at Soule Park at 5:30 PM. A dad, golf cart, two little boys about 7-9 in age and their dog teeing off #1. It took them about 45 minutes to play #1 and #2, but it looked like they were having fun. Obviously the dad was attempting to teach the kids to play, what a thrill for them.
I suspect dogs are not allowed on the course, but hopefully the starter was awake, often there they are not, and decided, hey it's Ojai, we are loose up here. I saw no harm in the setting.
Love watching the senior members play at Swinley Forest with their dogs. It seemed so natural.
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Lynn,
Ojai didn't strike me as too uptight. I think kids often get interested in golf thanks to carts, but I believe bringing the dog along would work just as well.
Christoph,
Your dog doesn't look quite as scary as the one Tim described. ;D I don't think I've ever seen a dog that looked quite like yours before.
I'm really enjoying all the stories.
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and the cover of The Confidential Guide has a guy with his dog on...I forget the course!
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Black Sheep Golf Club, outside Chicago, has about 3 or 4 dogs that just wander about the grounds near the pro shop, 1st and 10th tees and sometimes will follow a group halfway down the fairway if they have food. The dogs belong to the head pro and various other staff members. The dogs only add to the very cool and low key vibe that is Black Sheep.
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Christoph,
Your dog doesn't look quite as scary as the one Tim described. ;D I don't think I've ever seen a dog that looked quite like yours before.
I'm really enjoying all the stories.
John,
no it's definetely not a Doberman, but a Dutch Schapendoes, a very rare breed almost extinct during WWII - see also:
http://www.dogsindepth.com/herding_dog_breeds/dutch_schapendoes.html
Very nice with family and children, but allways defends the flock (family) against gatecrasher barking like a big dog!
You would typically find that dog with shepherds on dutch heathland similar to the land where Colt designed courses such as
Utrecht De Pan and Eindhoven are built...
Christoph
That's my dog's area when he is not joining me on the golf course:
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I visited the Berkshire last year where my uncle is a member and was amazed to see the number of dogs out walking the course with their masters. it really summed up the relaxed nature of the club.
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Though not a dog lover unless I am hunting, I too like to see dogs on the course. I can still recall my first visit to Brancaster. Upon walking into the lounge I encountered a family of children on the floorin their bathing suits and several dogs lying about as well. I couldn't determine which was more bizarre! Royal West Norfolk is one cool club.
Ciao
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Sean, I'm sure I also recall there was a water bowl specifically for the dogs at Brancaster?
Very often if I find myself visiting another club alone when its not very busy, the only other people on the course may be one man and his dog? Also, when I was a kid visiting Brora in the summer I would often walk our dog along the beach, then if it wasn't busy back along the course, though she was always on a lead because of the sheep!
However, don't forget it wasn't long ago that Royal St George's had their notorious sign "No Dogs and No Woman"...
Cheers,
James
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I had a day booked to play Brancaster by myself and the day before I thought it won’t hurt to ask.
“Excuse me, but do you allow visitors dogs on the course?”
“Yes Sir, we love dogs here”.
So one beautiful February day we enjoyed 36 magical holes together. Apart form one other group we had the place to ourselves. I’ve never seen him more alive and his energy levels rushing hither and thither were amazing. I’ve said it before on here but I think it was the best day of his life.
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f174/Muldoon3/Brancaster/Img0906.jpg)
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This summer I hope to show him Deal.
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at Bayonne in NJ they have some specially trained dog that cost something like 10k that roams the course by himself in order to keep the geese away....and he must do his job cause i saw no gifts on the ground from the geese, if you catch my drift
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I’ve never seen him more alive and his energy levels rushing hither and thither were amazing. I’ve said it before on here but I think it was the best day of his life.
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f174/Muldoon3/Brancaster/Img0863.jpg)
Great story.
Check out that smile!
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Our golf dog, Barkley, a Samoyed, had to be put to sleep this afternoon. I will miss him greatly.
He was a rescue dog (found abandoned and given a temporary home by the breeder's association), and was almost a year old when we got him. I took him out on the golf course right away, first at High Pointe and then at Crystal Downs, and he just loved it out there, having so much room to roam when the courses were quiet.
But then, about the third time we had him out at High Pointe, it was starting to get busier, and as we were walking down the sixth fairway he spied his first golf cart over on #8 ... and he just took off on a dead run straight toward it, barking furiously. I was afraid he was going to attack the thing, but he ran it down and jumped aboard and sat up on the seat next to the startled driver, happy as could be. Of all ironies, Barkley was a cart dog.
After that he was fine on the course in the spring when there were no carts, but once the golf season really started, he wanted to be in the cart and wouldn't necessarily stay quiet about it, so I couldn't take him out nearly as often as I would have liked to. Even at Crystal Downs, I was a bit self-conscious about bringing him out in-season, because while a few older members liked to bring their dogs, I knew there were others who frowned on it. I would take him to High Pointe, because nobody would say anything to me there, and occasionally down to Lost Dunes, which was very dog-friendly. [The memorial on the course at Lost Dunes is to Ollie, the founder Jeff Shearer's dog. There is also a club tournament in Ollie's honor.]
I wish more clubs were less uptight about people bringing out their dogs. Golf courses are supposed to be happy places, and people are generally happy with a dog around.
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Tom,
My condolences. I know only too well what it is like to lose an old friend.
Max, my Rottie/Swiss Mountain dog mix and Beaufort our Corgi, departed just a couple of years ago. After some discussion we now have a couple of yellow Labradors, Amber and Brinkley and are glad that we jumped into the pool so quickly. Don't wait too long.
Bob
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Tom,
Sorry to hear about Barkley. Losing anything that loves you unconditionally is a tough experience. I've lost a couple great Lab's when I was away from home after I left for the Academy, it was tough going back to Georgia with Hoss and Little Joe missing. Looking forward to getting a puppy this fall after the wedding.
I remember the only time I took Little Joe to the course. I didn't start golfing until he was 10 years old and I was in college, so I assumed his age would make him less apt to run down balls and other golfers. WRONG!! In my beginning days, I swung too hard and would sometimes catch one with my awfully violent swing, which sent Little Joe into a 300 yard dead sprint off the first tee. I didn't coral him until after my second shot. I learned that day that Titleist cover polymers are quite grabby when dog slobber is added to the equation. One of my better golf memories.
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Tom,
Thanks for sharing that story. So sorry for your loss. Sounds like you showed him some fun times.
My dog loves car rides but carts do not appeal to her at all.
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Great stories - even the sad ones. My mother took one of our dogs to our club some 25 years ago (probably an afghan hound). She was politely told to cease. We can take push-carts over greens, but we can't take dogs on a golf course.
Here is the Eden Course, circa 2007, first hole. What a magic sight. I wish I could have walked with them, but my time in that blessed spot was nearly up.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e381/JamesBennett/P1050420a.jpg)
James B
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I remember seeing a few dogs out on the course with members at Prestwick when I played over in Scotland a few years ago.
I have also, on numerous occasions, seen coyotes up on the ridges at Rustic Canyon. Not exactly the kind of dogs you want to meet out on the course.
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Tony,
Are you sure he's from the right stock old boy? He may get on at Deal but Sandwich requires a pure black or golden Labrador, come to think of it Brancaster can field a team of Lords so he clearly knows how to behave himself!
page 228/229 of Legendary Golf Clubs of Scotland, England....... has a great picture of 2 dogs on a green at Brancaster.
Mark
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Dear Tom,
I shall keep you in my thoughts and Barkley in my prayers.
I have always thought that of the countless touches of genius in The Confidential Guide, none was better, or more meaningful, or a better statement of "this is golf... get it?", than the front-of-the-dustjacket photo of the single golfer at Cruden Bay, with both he and his faithful labrador watching the flight of the golf ball on a sunny afternoon. It might just be the best non-dramatic, non-artsy, no-celebrity golf photo I have ever seen.
I get it. With much gratitude to you.
Chuck
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Tom D...sorry to hear about your buddy...I hope you find a new golf friend soon.
This is a great thread...
Speaking of the white rabbit at Pebble Beach...how do you pull up those old threads on the new site?
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Yeah sorry to hear about that Tom. That's what's lousy about having pets - you're probably going to outlive them. It's hard for non pet-owners to understand how people get so attached to a dirty barking hairball, then you get one and see why. Nobody loves you like your dog does.
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My rescued Greyhound 'Big Dave' is welcome at Ballyneal anytime. He rarely gets a foot away from your hip when walking. Not like our 'Pablo' who likes to play goalie. Sadly, about 9 weeks ago Dave sprained his front leg. After a month and a half it was getting worse. Turns out he has Bone cancer. The doc took the leg two weeks ago and he started chemo. As of this writing he is completely back to being a dog.
Sorry to hear about your loss Tom.
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Tom - Very sorry about your loss. Sounds like he had a great life though, and that is what is important....
Adam - glad to hear your guy, Big Dave is doing better!
I have never had the great fortune of playing a round with my girl, Galleon, a black lab mix we saved from a shelter almost 4 years ago. I am hoping to take her with me on a late evening round at Black Mesa this weekend.
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Thomas:
Good for you for mentioning Black Mesa. Mr. Peck and crew are serious dog lovers and I have never seen so many dogs on a course in the USA ... even if half of them were Eddie's!
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Tom - Perhaps you've seen Pete Dye walking the grounds at Crooked Stick most evenings with his dog Sixty. It's pleasing site seeing Pete trudging along the course he knows like the back of his hand with his friend alongside. He moves along at a pretty brisk pace -- and still walks (with a caddie) when he plays.
I'm fairly certain Pete puts several miles of walking every day at the Stick when he's in town. For the members it's sort of a tradition and a reminder how important Pete is to all of us.
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This is one of my favorite pictures. It was taken several years ago. My son and I traveled 12 hours to get this little golden. She comes from a long line of show dogs. We stopped on our way home to look at a course I helped convert sand greens to grass in South Dakota.
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She is actually pretty good on the course. Playing The Golf Club at Red Rock.
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We have 2 Goldens, and our course has a goose problem.
Theory - Goldens will chase the geese, get exercise and keep geese away. Perfect theory. ;D
Reality - the dogs are more interested in eating goose shitsicles than chasing the sources of same. Less than perfect reality. :(
Our younger male does show great enthusiasm for chasing any kind of ball, so:
Next theory - teach him the difference between Pro Vs and other balls.
Not sure of the outcome of this theory yet. ???
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We have 2 Goldens, and our course has a goose problem.
Theory - Goldens will chase the geese, get exercise and keep geese away. Perfect theory. ;D
Reality - the dogs are more interested in eating goose shitsicles than chasing the sources of same. Less than perfect reality. :(
Our younger male does show great enthusiasm for chasing any kind of ball, so:
Next theory - teach him the difference between Pro Vs and other balls.
Not sure of the outcome of this theory yet. ???
You need to get a trained shepherding dog. I know a company that has one that keeps the geese from leaving their mark in the company's parking lot. Plus all the employees love the dog. But not any dog will do, some just aren't interested in chasing geese.
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Have seen dogs on a leash numerous times at Lookout Mountain GC. I have no idea what the club rule is, as I do not have a dog.
On the other hand, dogs often roam the course. So if you had a good whistle or call, or a dog treat, you could probably have a friend for a few holes.
At my home course, dogs used to be allowed. In fact, the golf pro emeritus loves dogs and always had his small poodle at the shop. His poodle had a special friendship with another member, and would always accompany that member, and ride in his cart as he played. The poodle would fall behind at times, and run towards the golf cart. Jack would slow the cart down, and 'Bogey' would speed up and jump in the cart. She had a fondness for cheese crackers and Jack always had that treat. After finishing play, 'Bogey' returned to the shop.
There is still a small marker labeled 'Bogey' in the small flower plot next to the golf shop, still there after about 10 years now.