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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: Jim_Kennedy on April 11, 2009, 07:41:47 PM
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Angel Cabrera is the only player left who has a chance at shooting in the 60s for all four rounds. This feat has been accomplished at every other major tournament except the Masters.
Probably a meaningless statistic but it's always impressed me (and posting about it keeps me away from other inanities, like cheater line threads ;D )
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I believe the Duck wins tomorrow.
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I hope not, did anyone else turn the TV off on the last 2 groups? Glad to see Furyk in the hunt, but its too bad most of the other players worth watching are pretty much out of it. If its a battle between Campbell, Perry, and Cabrera tomorrow, count me out.
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I hope not, did anyone else turn the TV off on the last 2 groups? Glad to see Furyk in the hunt, but its too bad most of the other players worth watching are pretty much out of it. If its a battle between Campbell, Perry, and Cabrera tomorrow, count me out.
I don't get how Furyk is so much more appealing than Cabrera, unless you find extended pre shot routines riveting? ;)
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The Tiger/Phil pairing could get some fireworks going, and they are 'only' 7 back. A -4 front side from either/both of them tightens the cheeks of the leaders.
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David,
I think you're right, The Duck wins tomorrow.
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I'd say it is a 3 man race and Roberto de Vicenzo is flying north. Unless someone at -4 starts 4-3-3 before the leaders tee off.
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Pete,
Tiger and Phil should have 6 holes under their belts by the time Cabrera/Perry tee off. Plenty of time to get some fireworks started.
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Jim - refreshing to see a guy just walk up and hit it, isn't it? And it makes sense, too - if you're not feeling confident about your swing or playing the shot, how is standing there frozen over the ball for 30 seconds gonna help? I know, I know - they're "visualizing." But if you're taking 30 seconds, you're not visualizing, you're praying....
Peter
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Peter,
I'm with you about Cabrera's style, but I don't begrudge a guy some time when he's playing for a million in cash and other untold rewards.
TV could, and should, do a better job of coming to a player only when he's 10 seconds or so away from hitting, with some exceptions for putting or trouble shots.
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I'd like to see Perry win it. He's a top notch guy, I think. And he might not ever get another chance; be a great Lifetime Achievement Award of sorts for him.
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But if you're taking 30 seconds, you're not visualizing, you're praying....
Peter
...and as any decent law-abiding lapsed Catholic knows, 30 seconds of praying ain't near enough to guarantee a decent outcome. ;)
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Never knew that fact. Who has done it at the US Open?
Anthony
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Anthony,
Lee Jantzen.
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Jim - me neither, actually. But when everyone is doing it, I start to wonder if there isn't some mass brain-washing going on.
Charlie - 30 seconds or 3 hours, doesn't make much difference if your asking to break 70 when the whole world but you sees you can't break 90 (if that makes any sense)
Peter
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Peter,
The mass brainwashing happened many years ago.
JK Moore,
I'd be happy to see Perry win it. I don't think I've ever seen a harsh word written about him and he really has that everyman thing going on.
In the category of sports figures as role models go, he'd definitely be a good choice.
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i'll take Perry
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I think this statistic was given on tv:
15 of the last 16 winners were in the final pairing.
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Hamilton fires a 65 and takes home the green jacket without having a single shot televised...
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I hope not, did anyone else turn the TV off on the last 2 groups? Glad to see Furyk in the hunt, but its too bad most of the other players worth watching are pretty much out of it. If its a battle between Campbell, Perry, and Cabrera tomorrow, count me out.
I don't get how Furyk is so much more appealing than Cabrera, unless you find extended pre shot routines riveting? ;)
Agreed, Will. I think Cabrera is a throw back. He's one of my favorites. And the man has uber talent.
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Hamilton fires a 65 and takes home the green jacket without having a single shot televised...
I wonder if they'll ask him to piss in a cup again should he win ::)
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I ws looking at the history of the final round scores of everyone from Tiger/Phil to Carbrera/Perry in their Masters appearances and not one of them has ever gone particularly low, with -3 the lowest.
Hope that doesn't hold true or the hoped for fireworks show will be a dud.
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Jim,
When you were writing Tiger-Phil, deep down did you really think Stevie-Bones?
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How are guys like Perry and Cabrera not worth watching? Perry is the PGA Tour's "Grand Old Man" right now and would be the oldest major champion ever. Plus he's an essentially unquestionably good guy and a humble, fierce competitor. Cabrera has already turned in an incredible major performance at the 2007 Masters, plays aggressively, and breaks the typical PGA Tour player mold.
I'll be glued to the television tomorrow. Anyone who can't find a compelling reason to watch needs to look harder, IMHO.
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I'm a Furyk fan because he's local and such a non-Matinee idol hero, but I can't say I'd be too disappointed in the swashbuckingling bull Cabrera, or the southern gentleman who started his own public course, who now at a late age is realizing that perhaps The MAJORS were called that for a reason, Mr. Kenny Perry.
In fact, as I think about it most of the day, I'd love to see Kenny win because it simply shows that most of us still have a lot to learn at these later stages of life.
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Put me in the same group with the other Kenny Perry Homers.
The guy is classy, has done much to grow the game, and give back to it. I'll be pulling hard for him, and the oldest major winner tag will be nice too!! ;D
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As much as I would like to see Perry win it, Angel is just unflappable when his putter is going. If I was betting, he is where my money would go.
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Kenny Perry is no slouch either.
He's won 4 PGA tournies in the last 10 months. Can anyone on tour match that recent success rate?
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I believe Cabrera has established two firsts...
First player to win a major championship while hitting a shank in the final round.
And looking at the 2007 US Open ceremony, I believe he is the first player in history to win two major tournaments while wearing the actual same shirt.
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I believe Cabrera has established two firsts...
First player to win a major championship while hitting a shank in the final round.
And looking at the 2007 US Open ceremony, I believe he is the first player in history to win two major tournaments while wearing the actual same shirt.
I don't know, Jim. Some of TW's shirt's look similiar on Sunday. ;)
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Jim - refreshing to see a guy just walk up and hit it, isn't it?....
Peter,
Cabrera took a total of 30 seconds (I timed it) to line up and then strike his first putt on the second playoff hole. Beautiful. Too bad more players don't emulate his pace.
On another note, earlier I said that TV should do a better job of cutting to players when they were only a few seconds away from hitting a shot. CBS was very good in this department today, cutting away from slow pokes to show action somewhere else on the course.
Bravo to them.
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I'd like to see Perry win it. He's a top notch guy, I think. And he might not ever get another chance; be a great Lifetime Achievement Award of sorts for him.
I'm really happy to see El Pato win another major :D.
Kenny Perry may well be a nice guy, but his continuing diminishment of the value of those Majors that don't "fit his game" demean a very important part of the game. The majors define a very large part of the competitive history of golf for me. The Masters and two Opens place some of the greatest values on every facet of a golfer's skill and perseverance. The Ryder Cup and yearly PGA schedule aren't even in the same ballpark. That may be just my opinion, but I'm hardly alone.
Kenny Perry has great skills and immense talent, but his aversion to the irregular challenges that the Majors present provide for the ultimate schadenfreude. The gods of the Majors will always favor those who rise to any and all challenges and hold high the privilege of competing against the best in the game at their most exalted venues and their grandest titles.
Angel Cabera has the right mentality. He shares that with a snappy pace (what a relief!), an emotive style and a knowledge of the history of the game. He is the real "top-notch" guy here and deserved this win by exhibiting the desire and perseverance of a true champion.
Grilled Skirt Steaks and a good Malbec for all tonight!!!
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Steve,
I didn't see the "Major" Gods rise up and slap down Lee Trevino for skipping the Masters 3 times even though he had qualified to go. Last I checked he won 6 Majors.
99.99% of pro golfers who ever played this game would love to have a major total like that.
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i guess Cabrera is a very nice guy, so good for him
2 different major wins, both times in very impressive fashion
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Jim - yup, I was watching. He slowed down a little, more practice swings here and there, a little longer over some putts. But he still moved liked one cool customer, even though he quit smoking after his US Open (remarkable -- if I was under that kind of pressure, I'd be smoking like Edward R Murrow...)
Peter
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Steve,
Steaks and Malbec will be part of next years champion's dinner, along with empanadas and yerba mate. ;D
Peter,
Too bad he didn't get that 4th round in the 60s.
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Kalen,
Trevino never turned down multiple majors for consecutive seasons, did he? There were also issues, truly unrelated to the game of golf, that played a significant role back then. There were also issues of feeling "comfortable" and I'm not referring to shot shape!
99.9% of all contemporary golfers would love to play in EVERY major, if qualified....si?
PS...Seems the ghost of Bobby Jones is the one that haunts Kenny Perry...strikingly similar to Scott Hoch, no?
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I believe Cabrera has established two firsts...
First player to win a major championship while hitting a shank in the final round.
And looking at the 2007 US Open ceremony, I believe he is the first player in history to win two major tournaments while wearing the actual same shirt.
The shirt is also very similar to the one that Jack wore when he won in 86.
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I don't believe Perry skipped the Masters last year, I believe he wasn't invited.
Hats off to Cabrera, that scrambling par on the first playoff hole was awesome. Perry's struggles down the stretch were definitely sad, I was really hoping he'd pull it off, seems like a great guy.
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George,
You are correct, I just looked at the list of invitees for 2008 and KP didn't qualify.
I still don't understand why KP gets so much flak for deciding to honor his sponsor commitments to play in tournaments that made playing in The Open a difficult fit for his schedule. Is it really that bad to be patriotic and do everything he could to qualify for the Ryder Cup team? Don't most of us really enjoy watching this event and get those chills when these guys tee it up not for personal glory but for country?
I just don't get the criticsm...I really don't.
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May I ask a simple question? Who is "the Duck?" ;)
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From the transcripts of various comments he made this weekend, including after the round, I get the impression that Kenny Perry is a nice guy who is limited more by his own expectations than by his (more than ample) talent. He sure sounded like a guy who knew he was going to lose the tournament before he even played the final round. What a burden to bear for a golfer competing at the highest level of the game!
It actually makes me appreciate his physical gifts and emotional resilience even more. Playing that well while the little voice in your head says you have no chance to win is amazing. Then again, maybe he just says those things to appear humble.
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At the time, I didn't recognize it for the premonition it turned out to be, but Saturday morning, I looked out my window to find a duck swimming in my pool!
Somewhat later in the day, I was rooting around my pantry and found this:
(http://www.teejaywhy.com/content/jpegs/ElPato.jpg)
:o
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May I ask a simple question? Who is "the Duck?" ;)
That would be Cabrera. "El Pato" translates into 'The Duck" and he got the nickname because of the way he walks.
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May I ask a simple question? Who is "the Duck?" ;)
Pinche gringos... no pueden hablar otras idiomas... ingles, ingles solamente ingles! ;)
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At the time, I didn't recognize it for the premonition it turned out to be, but Saturday morning, I looked out my window to find a duck swimming in my pool!
Somewhat later in the day, I was rooting around my pantry and found this:
(http://www.teejaywhy.com/content/jpegs/ElPato.jpg)
:o
........so why weren't you at your bookies that evening? ;)
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........so why weren't you at your bookies that evening? ;)
big sigh...
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People please.
I know they talk and look the same, but Angel is Argentinian not Mexican. ;)
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Kalen,
Has anyone confused the Genial Argentine with the Merry Mex?
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Kalen,
Has anyone confused the Genial Argentine with the Merry Mex?
Jim,
I thought that might be a bit vague...was referencing that the can of the The Duck is a "Mexican" hot sauce, not Argentianin...i know i know, I won't quit my day job.
(http://www.teejaywhy.com/content/jpegs/ElPato.jpg)
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Kalen,
I could see how someone might confuse Angel Cabrera("El Pato") with Eduardo Romero ("El Gato"), or even with John Daly ("El Blotto"), but you're right, don't quit your day job. ;) ;D
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the birdie putt that Cabrera poured in before Perry's kick in on 16 was really the shot of the tournament and it seems like it was completely overlooked. El Pato's powder yellow shirt was probably the best match for the green jacket in a loong time. good show!