Golf Club Atlas
GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: kconway on July 06, 2008, 12:40:02 PM
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Mine would be:
Western Gailles
Royal Cinque Ports
County Louth
Guillane 1
Glenview Club
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Pennard, Elie, Golspie, La Cumbre, Tokatee.
Painswick ;D ;D
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Good question.
The Rim
Mauna Kea
Paa-Ko Ridge
Knollwood (Chicago)
The Bridges at RSF
Subject to editing.
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matt,
i am member of Knollwood...if you come to chicago let me know.
kelly
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I had to go check out a list online because I'm not sure about what is and isn't top 100 in the world. I'm shocked that Whistling Straits is #40 on the 2007 Golf list. It probably wouldn't have been on my top 5 non-100 that I wanted to get back to. It seems way too high on that list for my taste.
Banff
Pasatiempo
MPCC Shore
Yale
Wild Horse
Still many more non-100 that I haven't played that I'd want to get to before I return to some of these.
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I had to go check out a list online because I'm not sure about what is and isn't top 100 in the world. I'm shocked that Whistling Straits is #40 on the 2007 Golf list. It probably wouldn't have been on my top 5 non-100 that I wanted to get back to. It seems way too high on that list for my taste.
Banff
Pasatiempo
MPCC Shore
Yale
Wild Horse
Still many more non-100 that I haven't played that I'd want to get to before I return to some of these.
Tim, I suspect Pasatiempo has or will re-enter the Top 100 list.
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I am assuming courses not top 100 in the world, GB&I or US. I will pick ones I don't get to see on a yearly basis and I am assuming Brora & Machrihanish are top 100.
Old Town
Tenby
Perranporth
Lakewood Shores
Princes
Ciao
I think Old Town and Princes are now top 100 something so off they must go. I will stay with Tenby, Lakewood Shores and Perraporth as I haven't seen them since the original post. I will add Cavendish and U of M.
Ciao
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I had to go check out a list online because I'm not sure about what is and isn't top 100 in the world. I'm shocked that Whistling Straits is #40 on the 2007 Golf list. It probably wouldn't have been on my top 5 non-100 that I wanted to get back to. It seems way too high on that list for my taste.
Banff
Pasatiempo
MPCC Shore
Yale
Wild Horse
Still many more non-100 that I haven't played that I'd want to get to before I return to some of these.
Tim, I suspect Pasatiempo has or will re-enter the Top 100 list.
Agreed.
I would say Wilshire would be one for me.
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Bethpage Red
Inniscrone (I hated it the first time, but I played it blind and they had no yardage guides. Might not hate it the second time).
Yale
Tavistock (would like to see the renovation work)
Port Royal (Bermuda) Thought it was a blast to play and would like to see it when it reopens next season.
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This is an interesting thread. Here are five courses outside of the top 100 that I really enjoy and would love to play again:
1. Idle Hour CC. This course blew me away the only time I played it. The renovation was fantastic. Totally the biggest surprise of '07 for me. If you're in Lexington for some reason, do what you can to play here.
2. Raleigh CC. I used to be a member here. It's a really fun Ross course. And I'd get to see several old friends in the Triangle.
3. Kirtland CC. This one has been discussed some on here. Another old-school course that has gotten a facelift. Very cool place.
4. Oak Ridge CC. While I get out here pretty much every year (thanks, Jason), I think it is the most underexposed/underrated course in the Twin Cities.
5. Plantation course at Kapalua. Playing here would mean I was again on Maui. And that's not a bad thing.
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Interesting that for me the golf courses that first come to mind might not be entirely because of the golf...
1. The Rawls Course...Lubbock is the home of one of my best friends...I can't wait to get back there and see him again.
2. Peru Muni... a small quirky ragtag course in Peru IN where I learned to play the game with my grandmother..I always look forward to going back there.
3. A small pitch and putt just next to Lahinch. Have been there twice...family loves it and playing there means I am getting ready to play my one of my favorite courses (Lahinch) in the world.
4. Thousand Oaks in Grand Rapids...pretty good golf...but being there will mean that I am starting a weeklong vacation with my best golfing buddies next May touring through Northern MI again.
5. Austin Golf Club (is this top 100?)....I had a fabulous experience there and have learned so much about GCA since my last trip 6 yrs ago that I'd like to see it again to more fully appreciate it.
Bart
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need to add more...Formby
I thought Formby was a really special place
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I have an overseas membership at Westward Ho! It is not the best course in the world but it certainly is one of the great places to play golf.
The European Club is top 100 but it is special place and the welcome I get from Pat Ruddy and his family makes me feel at home.
I love the Island course in Ireland
St. Enodoc is not on the list but could be. What a great place ot play.
I don't think Shoreacres is on the list but it is very special and would baack there in a flash.
Ballyliffen would be on that list as well. I could spend many days there. In fact I have.
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FWIW...Golf Magazine ranks Pasatiempo 55 and Yale 75.
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And Formby, St Enodoc TEC are all rated quite highly in GB&I.
I hope more people reply as these are the kind of threads which give me ideas on where to play when I make the odd or one off visit to a place.
Ciao
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FWIW...Golf Magazine ranks Pasatiempo 55 and Yale 75.
I'll remove my nominations if needed. The criteria wasn't laid out very clearly and when I saw courses from around the world being posted, I assumed we were talking World 100 rather than US 100. I should probably remove Banff as well as it is certainly Top 100 Canada or North America or otherwise.
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US list only:
In the Phila. area Manufacturers G&CC and Philadelphia Cricket once all of the tree clearing and restoration is done.
Would also like to see Omaha CC and Metairie CC to see their restorations.
And in California, would like to go back to Wilshire CC.
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Kington, Pitreavie, Papago, Berkhamsted and Castle Combe.
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Since the various top 100 lists are so different, I've excluded courses which appear on any of them, including both the Golfweek classic and modern lists. In no particular order:
1. Diamond Creek - Even though I can play there anytime, I can't wait to return.
2. Morris County CC - I played there many times as a kid and would love to see the recent restoration.
3. MPCC Dunes - Played there many years ago and would love to see it again.
4. Firestone South - I know it takes flack on this board, but I really liked it.
5. Deepdale - I enjoyed the course. Plus, if I am playing Deepdale then it likely means I am on my way further out LI to play some more celebrated courses again.
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In no particular order:
Applebrook (PA)
Monroe (NY)
Beechtree (MD)
Bull's Bay (SC)
Columbia-Edgewater (OR)
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FWIW...Golf Magazine ranks Pasatiempo 55 and Yale 75.
I'll remove my nominations if needed. The criteria wasn't laid out very clearly and when I saw courses from around the world being posted, I assumed we were talking World 100 rather than US 100. I should probably remove Banff as well as it is certainly Top 100 Canada or North America or otherwise.
Obviously no need to remove your nominations. Just thought I would mention the Golf Magazine rankings. BTW playing Yale Thursday and very much looking forward to it.
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MPCC Dunes and Shore- how can these not be in the top 100? Maybe the members quietly enjoy the omission knowing what they have.I would add Carne , Dooks, and Skokie.
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I'm going to do a regional non top 100 top 5, from the greater Philadelphia area:
1. Inniscrone (hey, Jim Coleman, please respond now how much you hate this course!)
2. Cobb's Creek (AFTER restoration, ;) )
3. Lederach
4. Pilgrim's Oak
5. Merion West
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MPCC Shore is in the Golf Digest Top 100, and Paa-Ko Ridge and The Rim both make the top 50 modern for GolfWeek.
My top five that are not on any of the lists that I'm aware of:
Lakota Canyon Ranch
Colorado GC
Cougar Canyon
Aldarra
South Bend CC
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I'm going to do a regional non top 100 top 5, from the greater Philadelphia area:
1. Inniscrone (hey, Jim Coleman, please respond now how much you hate this course!)
2. Cobb's Creek (AFTER restoration, ;) )
3. Lederach
4. Pilgrim's Oak
5. Merion West
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Joe
Lederach would have been my #6. Talk to me about Inniscrone - sounds interesting.
Ciao
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As far as I know, none of these are on any Top 100 lists, public or private:
Tobacco Road
University of Michigan
Muskegon CC (Mich.)
Wuskowhan Players Club
Oak Hills CC (San Antonio)
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I'm going to do a regional non top 100 top 5, from the greater Philadelphia area:
1. Inniscrone (hey, Jim Coleman, please respond now how much you hate this course!)
2. Cobb's Creek (AFTER restoration, ;) )
3. Lederach
4. Pilgrim's Oak
5. Merion West
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Joe
Lederach would have been my #6. Talk to me about Inniscrone - sounds interesting.
Ciao
Inniscrone has been talked about plenty here. It is incredibly polarizing, IMO. It seems a few people love it (those that know what the heck they are talking about, ;) ), while most hate it. It is an early Gil Hanse design that started private and now is public and can be had from Forewinds Hospitality for a sum of seven figures I'm told, with the first number not far above two.
Ran did a write-up on it and that is a great place to start:
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/inniscrone1.html
I have a more extensive picture documentation of 'Scrone here:
http://darwin.chem.villanova.edu/~bausch/images/Inniscrone/
Inniscrone is one of a handful of courses that met my personal litmus test of a fine design: after my first round there I could remember every hole in order with very little difficulty. I realize many people on this site can remember the 14th hole of a putt-putt course from their family vacay when they were six years old, but easily recounting an entire course only happens with fantastic layouts for me.
The par 4 16th at Inniscrone, also vigorously talked about here, is one of my all-time favorite par 4's. I've never played another hole quite like it.
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Inniscrone is one of a handful of courses that met my personal litmus test of a fine design: after my first round there I could remember every hole in order with very little difficulty. I realize many people on this site can remember the 14th hole of a putt-putt course from their family vacay when they were six years old, but easily recounting an entire layout only happens with fantastic layouts for me.
Joe, I have always had similar feelings. There have been many supposedly "great" courses that 5 minutes after finishing the round its all a fog. On the the other hand, other lesser known courses are immediately memorable. I won't go so far as to say it is a threshold for evaluation. But its pretty close.
Ed
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Courses I want to get back to play:
Tobacco Road (I could probably play this course once a month, and I would still enjoy going back and want to get back quickly)
Olde Liberty (I want to see what it looks like once they get the grass in fully)
Park Ridge (FLA, while not the best, certainly the most interesting and unique course I played while in Florida)
The President CC (Whichever course I played, best I played in Fla.)
Eagle Point
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1. Palmetto GC
2. Cuscowilla
3. Tobacco Road
4. Tot Hill Farm
5. Callaway Gardens--Mountain View
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1. Sleepy Hollow
2. Upper Baltusrol
3. Old Town
4. Caledonia
5. Fenway
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1. Palmetto GC
2. Cuscowilla
3. Tobacco Road
4. Tot Hill Farm
5. Callaway Gardens--Mountain View
As mentioned, it decides which list someone goes by. Cuscowilla is near the top of the Modern 100 by GOLFWEEK.
Some for me:
Jeff Brauer's renovation of Indian Creek - Cool greensites on an already solid routing
Golden Valley in Minnesota, as well as other favorites up there like Cloquet, Owatonna, & Winona Neighboring Wisconsin has Eau Claire.
Makena - I'm leaving out Plantation...like Shelman says, this means I'm on Maui
Closer to my present Orlando home is the Dunes at Seville. It is undergoing renovation I believe.
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Upper Baltusrol is Top 100 in several places. Good idea though.
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depends on which top 100 list one is referring to but here are a few:
yale
st thomas
longue vue
pasatiempo
the sheep ranch
rockaway hunt club which i played today for the 1st time - a few clunker holes but the great ones were tremendous -some all world green complexes - reminded me at times of atlantic city cc and maidstone
lookout mountain
st louis cc -was there last week - they are closing for 9 months to re-do the fairways - a lot of fun to play
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Good question.
The Rim
Mauna Kea
Paa-Ko Ridge
Knollwood (Chicago)
The Bridges at RSF
Subject to editing.
Lake Merced
MPCC (either)
And a couple of hometown honorable mentions...
La Jolla
Rancho Santa Fe CC
RSF Farms
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I'm going to do a regional non top 100 top 5, from the greater Philadelphia area:
1. Inniscrone (hey, Jim Coleman, please respond now how much you hate this course!)
2. Cobb's Creek (AFTER restoration, ;) )
3. Lederach
4. Pilgrim's Oak
5. Merion West
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Joe
Lederach would have been my #6. Talk to me about Inniscrone - sounds interesting.
Ciao
Inniscrone has been talked about plenty here. It is incredibly polarizing, IMO. It seems a few people love it (those that know what the heck they are talking about, ;) ), while most hate it. It is an early Gil Hanse design that started private and now is public and can be had from Forewinds Hospitality for a sum of seven figures I'm told, with the first number not far above two.
Ran did a write-up on it and that is a great place to start:
http://www.golfclubatlas.com/inniscrone1.html
I have a more extensive picture documentation of 'Scrone here:
http://darwin.chem.villanova.edu/~bausch/images/Inniscrone/
Inniscrone is one of a handful of courses that met my personal litmus test of a fine design: after my first round there I could remember every hole in order with very little difficulty. I realize many people on this site can remember the 14th hole of a putt-putt course from their family vacay when they were six years old, but easily recounting an entire course only happens with fantastic layouts for me.
The par 4 16th at Inniscrone, also vigorously talked about here, is one of my all-time favorite par 4's. I've never played another hole quite like it.
Cheers Joe. The course looks quite interesting and a bit Merionish in places. Its certainly one to consider for a future visit. How is the pace of play? This was the one area of concern I had for Lederach. It seems that if an archie gets bold with his design then the already strained game is slowed even moreso.
Ciao
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US
Long Shadow
Mountain Lake
MPCC Shore (if using Golf Mag list)
Ireland
County Louth
The Island
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Using Golf Magazine's Top 100 World list...
Waterville
European Club
Bandon Trails
Tobacco Road
Baltimore CC
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Bidermann
Pine Barrens
Meadow Club
Laurel Hill
The Sagamore
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1. Dunbar Links
2. Fernandina Beach Muni (will be there next week, actually)
3. Pelican Hill South (just for the views and the canyon carries)
4. Okefenokee GC (grew up there, best hidden gem EVER)
5. Sawgrass CC (old Sawgrass, original Players host)
Haven't played any of these in multiple years, but all have great reasons for wanting to go back.
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Western Gailles - for the shear fun of it
Prestwick - for the inspiration
Jasper - lessons on scale
Tobacco Road - out to the edge
Essex County - for the perfect grass lines
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This is easy. North Berwick and Prestwick. I must not know golf because I have no idea why they are not in the top 100.
Anthony
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Westwood CC in St. Louis
Palos Verdes CC
St. Louis CC
Gleneagles in San Francisco
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Perranporth
Enniscrone (how this is not top 100 in GB & I I'll never know)
Portrush Valley (ditto)
Boat of Garten
Dooks
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Royal Cinque Ports
West Berwick
Berkshire Red
Old Elm
Flossmoor
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This is easy. North Berwick and Prestwick. I must not know golf because I have no idea why they are not in the top 100.
Anthony
North Berwick is now in the GOLF Magazine top 100. ;)
Mine would be:
Claremont CC
Enniscrone, Ireland
Narin & Portnoo, Ireland
Northstar-at-Tahoe, simply to avenge myself for the back nine debacle I had in the forest over the summer.
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Good call Ed,
Boat of Garten
Machrie?
Southerness
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Inwood
Orchard Creek (NY)
Beechtree
Indian Creek (Brauer's in TX- Very cool greens)
Wintonbury Hills
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San Antonio CC
Del Paso CC
Cal Club
East Hampton
Rockaway Hunting Club
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off the top of my head:
Marquette Park in CHicago - the 9 holer i grew up on....to see if its gotten any better
Manufacturers - played before the restoration work
French Lick /Ross course - great fun
Kirtland - should be in the top 100!
Broadmoor in IN - played in heavy rain
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Stoneham
Berkhamsted (thanks, Mark, for reminding me)
Ardglass
Tenby
Crail
(not in any particular order)
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Eastward Ho, Winchester, Stonewall, Stone Eagle, Capilano
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secession
old memorial
burning tree
cuscowilla
macarthur
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Thirteenth Beach (Aus)
The Creek (US)
Limburg Golf & Country Club (BE)
Narooma Golf Club (Aus)
Oitavos Golf Club (PT)
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St Enodoc
Elie
Alwoodley
Silloth
Notts
With the exception of Elie they are all in the UK top 100 but none are in the world top 100.
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Tuxedo
Tamarack
Whispering Pines
Nassau CC
Suburban GC
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Kinloch, Taupo NZ. This course could possibbly end up on a few lists.
Arrowtown, NZ. A fun course with terrific scenary. $nz 30 a round.
Jacks Point, Queenstown NZ. Not great but worth another look.
National Moonah, Australia. Very good course, underrated.
Metropolitan, Australia. Not compelling architecture but a good place to play.
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*Royal Ashdown Forest (one of the friendliest places in golf, in my experience)
*The Abaco Club (prime choice for, say, February)
*Pennard (I want to hit the tee shot on 16 with the sun setting over the water)
*Noordwijk (played it in blasting rain, could barely see the holes)
*Golf Club of Uruguay (toured it start to finish, never played it)
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Western Gailes for certain, there is no way there can be 100 courses better than that...oh well
Also MPCC .....The Stranz renovation
Southerness...if it is not there already?
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This is a really great topic IMO ...
1 Fernandino Beach -- Tom Paul is one experienced and accomplished golfer. I really want to find out why he gushes about this place.
2 Inlet -- I always play it on vacation, often with my son, often in flip flops and while the course is hardly extraordinary, it's in a terrific setting (Adirondack mountaints) ... and I'm on friggin vacation.
3 Yahnundasis - This was in my backyard for years and I never really appreciated how neat this course is until I left the area.
4 Walton Heath New - The Old gets the raves, but the New is really the better of the two IMO
5 Old Head - Breathtaking views, great clubhouse, and I've played it only with a great group of guys.
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1. Cape Fear CC in Wilmington, NC - I was an Assistant there all through college but haven't played it since the restoration.
2. Murray State University Course - nothing fancy, just the course that I learned to play on, I haven't played there in 18 years and would like to see it with grown trees.
3. Tobacco Road - once isn't enough.
4. Hawks Ridge - premier in every way.
5. Cuscowilla - I can't play there enough.
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San Antonio Country Club
Oak Hills (San Antonio)
Pecan Valley
Austin Golf Club
Pines Dunes
Mira Vista
Roman Nose State Park (OK)
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USA...(c)Old Town in North Carolina[the varsity guys called it that, said it always felt cold there...], Old Orchard, Webhannet and Kebo Valley in Maine, Ralph Mhyre in Vermont (it's average, but oh those Middlebury language summers!)...that's about it. Got back to Taconic this Summer.
There are so many great courses out there to play, I have little desire to return anywhere until I've played them all. My wife won't watch a movie twice and I believe this is rubbing off on me when it comes to golf.
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All in Michigan
1. Belvedere CC
2. Barton Hills CC
3. Orchard Lake CC
4. U of M
5. Grosse Ille CC
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1.) Balsams Resort - Panorama Course
2.) Rutland CC
3.) Prouts Neck CC
4.) Culver Military Academy GC / Maxinkuckee CC
5.) Whiskey Creek GC
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All in Michigan
1. Belvedere CC
2. Barton Hills CC
3. Orchard Lake CC
4. U of M
5. Grosse Ille CC
Sadly, my father has recently resigned his membership of Grosse Ile so I reckon I will get a hankering to return after a few years. Its almost like losing a member of the family not being able to skip over to the island for a game when I am in town.
Ciao
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1. Lookout Mountain
2. Franklin Hills
3. Lawsonia Links
4. Meadow Club
5. The Creek Club
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1) Kirtland. (OH)
2) Biderman (DE)
3) Stonewall North (PA)
4) CC of Troy (NY)
5) Sakonett (RI)
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Cherokee Plantation
Indian Creek
Teugega
Boca Rio
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Old Warson, Minikahda, Knollwood, Skokie, Gulph Mills.
Some underrated sleepy clubs that are just fun to play, Jack
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Rivermont...okay, I'm a member and just played there yesterday...but I can't wait to get there again.
(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu239/mplumart/Rivermont2approach.jpg)
Country Club of Columbus...a cool little Ross that has many, many fun shots.
The River Club...I think I might be the only person on the face of the planet that likes this heavily bunkered Greg Norman design. But I like it.
Aiken Golf Club...what a course. 6,000 from the tips. $25 to walk. Great greens. Unkept bunkers. No rakes. Total a unique experience.
(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu239/mplumart/Aiken6.jpg)
(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu239/mplumart/AikenMarkslie.jpg)
Augusta CC...why isn't this Top 100 again? At least GW Top 100 classic.
(http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu239/mplumart/Augusta_CC_15_i-600x450.jpg)
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1. WOLF RUN (once again, IMO one of the most overlooked courses on this website)
2. Wine Valley (one of the most fun courses I have played in a while)
3. Essex County Country Club (A great course just recently restored by Bahto)
4. Sand Hollow Golf Resort (A first class facility, not only is the 18 hole course fantastic, the 9 hole links course is a blast to play)
5. Montesoro (it is in the middle of nowhere in the desert, but it is a fazio hidden gem)
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Tough field but hard to look past
1. Brora
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9521/p5180514.jpg)
2. Huntercombe
(http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/7458/p3050212.jpg)
3. MPCC Dunes
(http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2171/pa280798.jpg)
4. Hardelot (Les Pins)
(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/8917/p9270154.jpg)
5. Crail (Balcomie)
(http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6721/p5150200.jpg)
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Scott...awesome photos!!! I love Crail and Brora especially. Thanks for posting.
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I am assuming courses not top 100 in the world, GB&I or US. I will pick ones I don't get to see on a yearly basis and I am assuming Brora & Machrihanish are top 100.
Old Town
Tenby
Perranporth
Lakewood Shores
Princes
Ciao
I think Old Town and Princes are now top 100 something so off they must go. I will stay with Tenby, Lakewood Shores and Perraporth as I haven't seen them since the original post. I will add Cavendish and U of M.
Ciao
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New Zealand Golf Club What great bunkers and strategy in a small package
Austin Golf Club Fantastic use of the terrain and excellent green sites
Woods Hole Golf Club My dad's club and fun, quirky golf
Shepard's Crook An enjoyable muni which makes you think
Harrison Hills A cool mixture of the old and classis and new and classic
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Courses I've seen that I dont believe have been featured in a mainstream World / US / GB&I or Aust. Top100 listing
Hidden Creek
Lancaster CC
Rolling Green
St Andrews (Eden)
Royal Portrush (Valley)
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Austin Golf Club
Dormie Club
Rivermont
Squire Creek
Pine Dunes
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Stone Eagle
Belvedere
Debordieu
Kirtland
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/dfjb23/Kirtland/IMG_0569.jpg)
The Country Club Pepper Pike
(http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt263/dfjb23/Country/IMG_0764.jpg)
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I've seen Austin Golf Club mentioned several times and agree, I'd love to get back there again. The only reason I think it's not Top 100 must be not enough rarer play. It's a really strong, very natural course with landmine greens.
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Old Warson, Minikahda, Knollwood, Skokie, Gulph Mills.
Some underrated sleepy clubs that are just fun to play, Jack
Good call on Minikahda! I went to Minneapolis two years ago for a few days and thought it was fantastic and underrated.
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Sleepy Hollow CC - Because C.B. Macdonald courses are so dang fun to play
Pronghorn - Great 36 hole day!
Desert Highlands - Most fun I've had with desert golf
Kapalua Plantation - Played it early on in my golf addicted life and would love to go back and see it after experiencing so many other courses now
Snake River Sporting Club - Because it means that it is out of bankruptcy and operating again!
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County Louth (baltray)
It's been a while since I played it, but I remember having such a lot of fun playing it.
Elie
How can you not love a course that starts with the Starter using a periscope to determine if you can hit away. Plus, I highly recommend jumping over the fence on the 4th tee (I think) to grab a wee dram at the local pub before continuing on.
Sylvania CC
Wonderful Willie Park Jr layout in Toledo that could do with some tree clearing.
Saddle Creek GC
Fun course in Gold Country in the Sierra foothills by Carter Morrish.
Bucknell GC
Generally, when there wasn't snow on the ground, I was out playing. Having played (probably) 400 rounds over four years and none since 1999, it would be fun to get back out there.
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Any Seth Raynor course
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Bidermann
Pine Barrens
Meadow Club
Laurel Hill
The Sagamore
From what I put in this thread two years ago I would keep Meadow Club and add:
Charles River
Pine Canyon
Bedford Springs
Engineers
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Kington, Pitreavie, Papago, Berkhamsted and Castle Combe.
Cory, weird, I had just been thinking about this thread, and that I would put Charles River in my 5 now, having played it earlier this year. In fact my 5 would show a fair bit of change:
Kington, Charles River, Pennard, Berkhamsted, Leven Links.
I haven't included Elie or Crail, since I know I'll be back at both soon.
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Pennard - with Sean Arble
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Non top 100 UK/US/World:
Ballyliffin Old
Dooks
Boat of G.
Lundin
Houthalen
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Wolf Point
Sheep Ranch
Eisenhower Blue
Royal Worlington & Newmarket
Stone Eagle (the more I learn, the more underrated I think it is)
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Too many to choose from... ::)
Askernish
Painswick
Brora
Pennard
Huntercombe
Cheers,
James
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Wolf Point
Sheep Ranch
Eisenhower Blue
Royal Worlington & Newmarket
Stone Eagle (the more I learn, the more underrated I think it is)
Ben,
Good call on Royal Worlington, I was thinking about it only earlier today.
And I missed off Cavendish, but The Yank Arble has already mentioned there...
As I said, too many to choose from and certainly more fun than discussing those in (any) top 100!
Cheers,
James
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Today's list
Ballyliffin Old
Rockaway River (NJ)
Schuylkill
Royal Dublin (I fear I didn't give it a fair shake the first time)
Huntingdon Valley (if Golfweek Top 100 classic does not count)
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Rory:
Rockaway River ?
Can you explain why ?
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Sand Hollow in Utah. Some of the best views and holes anywhere
Oak Hollow Hight Point NC. Relive some of the many rounds played during college. Bonus if we could get same four guys together.
Oak Hill West. Great preserved course and fantastic greens.
Westhampton CC. I am a sucker for Punchbowls greens and short par 4's.
Friar's Head. I feel like it is cheating that one of my top 5 is not in the top 100, but I get to use it here.
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Chechessee Creek
Hidden Creek
Knoll CC (West)
Hackensack
St. Andrews - New
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Dooks
Otesaga
Yahnundasis
Whisper Rock (play both courses next time)
Woking (not sure this isn't in top 100!)
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1) Ballyhack - One of the best overall experiences I've had. The atmosphere, the breath-taking vistas, the variety of challenges - I could go on for hours about this course. I think this deserves to be on the "Top 5 RANKED Courses" I want to get back to, but no matter.
2) Leatherstocking - My introduction to Devereux Emmet. A pleasant surprise - I was smitten by the time I had reached the 3rd tee. I know when it's special when I talk about "feeling" a course, rather than "playing" it.
3) Bethpage (Red) - Falls victim to being built next to the Black, but I'd give the Red's 1st and 18th holes the nod over its Black counterparts. Also, if I'm there, there's a good chance my planned "Bethpage Tour" trip has been scheduled.
4) Tobacco Road - Love it or Hate it - you're certainly not bored. Each time I play I find something new, whether it be a hidden challenge or yet another Love It / Hate It characteristic.
5) Coudersport Golf Club - Quirky little course in Northwest Pennsylvania that is as fun as any I have played. Drivable Par Fours and reachable Par Fives, all with significant potential penalties. Throw in mountainside elevation changes and one of the coziest 19th holes, and I'm appalled at myself for not making the 100 minute drive happen in several years.
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Prestwick...North Berwick.....Diamonte......Crail.....Roko Ki......Rustic Canyon
Anthony
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Francis Byrne Golf Course
Galloping Hill Golf Course
Weequahic Park Golf Course
Hendricks Field Golf Course
Flanders Valley (Red-Gold, White-Blue)
Grew-up playing those as a 12 yr old to 20 yr old and never really appreciated how unique they were. Haven't played them in 20 years.
Need to take a drive to visit Mom a few times this spring and play them again. Great memories.
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Black Sheep
Black Sheep
Black Sheep
Black Sheep
Black Sheep
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1) Ballyhack - One of the best overall experiences I've had. The atmosphere, the breath-taking vistas, the variety of challenges - I could go on for hours about this course. I think this deserves to be on the "Top 5 RANKED Courses" I want to get back to, but no matter.
2) Leatherstocking - My introduction to Devereux Emmet. A pleasant surprise - I was smitten by the time I had reached the 3rd tee. I know when it's special when I talk about "feeling" a course, rather than "playing" it.
3) Bethpage (Red) - Falls victim to being built next to the Black, but I'd give the Red's 1st and 18th holes the nod over its Black counterparts. Also, if I'm there, there's a good chance my planned "Bethpage Tour" trip has been scheduled.
4) Tobacco Road - Love it or Hate it - you're certainly not bored. Each time I play I find something new, whether it be a hidden challenge or yet another Love It / Hate It characteristic.
5) Coudersport Golf Club - Quirky little course in Northwest Pennsylvania that is as fun as any I have played. Drivable Par Fours and reachable Par Fives, all with significant potential penalties. Throw in mountainside elevation changes and one of the coziest 19th holes, and I'm appalled at myself for not making the 100 minute drive happen in several years.
Totally agree with Kevin - Ballyhack can sneak on this list only because enough raters haven't made it there yet. It will be a top 100.
Also on my list;
Meadow Club
Tobacco Road
I will slide another Strantz course - Royal New Kent, onto the list.
Southport and Ainsdale
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Lookout Mountain - most underated course I have ever played.
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Those greens are awesome at Lookout, aren't they?
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Austin Golf Club
Dormie Club
Rivermont
Squire Creek
Pine Dunes
Kyle I will agree with you on Pines Dunes and AGC, we need to make that happen. I will also add Twin Hills in OKC, Pecan Valley in San Antonio, and Tulsa Country Club.
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Paxon Hollow GC - old stomping grounds when I was kid... would love to see recent work done to the course
Rolling Green - Been too long since I've played RG.
Wichita CC
Omaha CC
Wilshire CC
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1. Rock Creek Cattle
2. The Alotian
3. Ballyneal
4. Black Mesa
5. Kingsley
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Jim:
The real issue is why the five courses you mentioned are NOT in the top 100 ! ;D
Michael Blake:
Interesting listing.
Can tell you this -- plenty of things have changed with a few of the courses you mentioned -- some good / some less than good.
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Matt -
That is a VERY good question. They are all deserving.
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Francis Byrne Golf Course
Galloping Hill Golf Course
Weequahic Park Golf Course
Hendricks Field Golf Course
Flanders Valley (Red-Gold, White-Blue)
Grew-up playing those as a 12 yr old to 20 yr old and never really appreciated how unique they were. Haven't played them in 20 years.
Need to take a drive to visit Mom a few times this spring and play them again. Great memories.
Michael-No shortage of characters hanging around Weequahic Park in Newark. Great choice.
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Tim,
No Kidding! There was always a good chance SOMEONE on the course was going to get mugged.
(Reminds me of another city course I frequently used to play while at college in Philly.)
Matt,
I'm curious about those changes since I've last played there. And to which coures. Can you elaborate?
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Michael:
A quick sampling of comments ...
Francis Byrne Golf Course -- has been improved since the low points several years ago -- could use a major makeover with the righjt architect in tow. Likely not going to happen. A pity.
Galloping Hill Golf Course -- Smart move by the county to have Kemper Mgmt enter the scene. Possibilities exist for a really superb 2011 golf season as meaningful efforts for the first time are being done.
Weequahic Park Golf Course -- shape was good this year -- the issue is the layout needs a bit of upgrading. Essex County simply does the bare bones stuff.
Hendricks Field Golf Course -- Too much play and too little effort in trying to improve what is there.
Flanders Valley (Red-Gold, White-Blue) -- Never understood the fanfare attached to the place. Above average holes in spots but generally pedestrian design.
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Thanks Matt.
If I remember correctly, Flanders (White-Blue) was a highly-ranked NJ public course back in the '80's-before the building of resort publics and CCFAD types. Do you remember if was very highly regarded back then?
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Michael:
FV had plenty of hype -- it's one of the very few courses to have hosted both the Men's and Women's Amateur Public Links.
The Blue & White are two above average nines but the overall state of Jersey public golf hit the launch pad in the mid to late 80's. Now FV is more in the middle of the pack. For those looking for a nicely conditioned layout with some holes of note -- it's fine. In Doak terms -- no more than a 4 in my book and I'm being generous because it's the holiday season. ;D
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Littlestone - should be GB&I top 100
Pyle & Kenfig - back nine as good as it gets
Flossmoor - knocking on the door of top 100 classics
Knole Park - lovely deer parkland course
Royal Hobart - probably top 100 Oz
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Wolf Point
Sheep Ranch
Eisenhower Blue
Royal Worlington & Newmarket
Stone Eagle (the more I learn, the more underrated I think it is)
Ben,
Good call on Royal Worlington, I was thinking about it only earlier today.
And I missed off Cavendish, but The Yank Arble has already mentioned there...
As I said, too many to choose from and certainly more fun than discussing those in (any) top 100!
Cheers,
James
Boony
Your one and only job for early summer is to organize a fine day at Cavendish on a weekend (or at worst a Friday).
I lied, you are also obligated to organize a game at ----- once all is in order - on a weekend.
I lied again....
Ciao
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3 to start with in north of Scotland
Elgin - reminiscent of Rosemount with its surround of birch and fir trees but a better course IMHO. 10 holes over 400 yards only one of which is a par 5 suggest that it might be a slog for some but you never feel you're getting beaten up, just challenged. Other features include some great old green complexes and good heathland type turf.
Moray Old - only played it once on a shitty day towards the end of the year but saw enough to look forward to going back (if you know what I mean). At first glance a fairly flat links but lots of variety in green complexes etc. No comparison to the much tamer Moray New which is OK.
Duff House Royal - MacKenzie design with the best set of 18 greens that I've ever played on. Admittedly I need to get out more but these greens really are good. For the wide fairway brigade who like uncluttered fairways and angle of attack dictated purely by the greens this is for you. Also very nice free draining turf.
A couple down in Ayrshire;
Prestwick St Nicholas - its been too long since I last was there and I'm itching to see if its as good as I remember. Admittedly uneven out and back links course with the most interesting land (plenty of rumple) being near the clubhouse and the flatter ground out the far end. I recall short driveable par 4's, gorse and heather, and one of the most dangerous holes I've ever played. Need to get back there.
Darley - the second municipal at Troon. While it may be a links course, you get no sea views and the course is variously bordered by housing, a railway, two schools and a cemetery and you have to cross a busy public road twice. Sounds great doesn't it ? I could also mention that the last time I played it the litter problem on the course was shocking as was the problem of dog walkers not clearing up after their mutt. For all that though it is a cracking wee (?) course with plenty of undulations, loads of variety in holes, heather, gorse and greens that are invariably in very good nick.
Niall
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Lookout Mountain - way under the radar
Desert Highlands - could be in the Top 100
Stone Eagle - best course I've played in that area
Meadow Club - a cool course in a great spot
Ross course at F Lick - WICKED greens!
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Timuquana CC - Jacksonville, FL
Sara Bay CC - Sarasota, FL
Blue Mound GC - Milwaukee, WI
Maple Bluff CC - Madison, WI
Kinderlou Forest - Valdosta, GA