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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: David Stamm on June 01, 2008, 10:45:53 PM
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Since we'll be hearing this name quite a bit this coming up week (at least I hope we do), I thought I'd present a short bio if you will of the man responsible for the course we will be seeing this U.S. Open. Of course, Rees Jones name will be mentioned as well, but much of what you will see next week is the work of a man many in California are familiar with, William Francis Bell, also known as William Bell jr.
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William Francis Bell (1918-1984) was the son of William Park Bell (1886-1953) and was born in Pasadena, CA. His father, born in Canonsburg, PA, got his start as a caddiemaster at Annandale CC after moving to California in 1911. He later became superintendent at the Pasadena Golf Club (now Alta Dena GC). Bell sr served as construction superintendent for Willie Watson on a number of courses before striking out on his own in 1920. He later formed a partnership with George C. Thomas, jr. and together they produced not only some of the greatest courses in California, but in all of the golden age of design. Bell sr also had a brief partnership with AW Tillinghast during the Depression and produced a handful of courses with him. Bell also served as turf consultant to the Army Corps of Engineers during WWII. It was after the war that Bell jr joined his father in the design business.
Together, they worked on about a dozen designs together, such as Yuma G&CC and North Ridge CC. They were again to work together on the Torrey Pines project, when Bell sr. died in 1953. Bell jr carried out the work and the courses opened in 1957. Bell jr continued to design courses until his death in 1984, all the while keeping the name of the firm, William P Bell and Son in his fathers honor and has been responsible for some of the most recognized courses in California. Sandpiper (1972), Industry Hills (Ike and Babe, 1979) and Bermuda Dunes CC (1960), Bell jr designed or redid nearly 200 courses in California, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah and did a course on Guam, Windward Hills G&CC. Combined with his father, they are responsible for work on approx. 400 courses throughout the west, hence garnering the unofficial title of "California's First Family in Golf".
While most agree that WFB was not as skilled as his father (a rumor is that after Sr died Jr's routings were done by his mother), WFB nevertheless proved to be a capable, if not stylish, designer. Some have argued that he has had better pieces of property to work with than his father and in some cases, they were a lost opportunity. While one could never confuse his bunker style with his illustrious father, or his seaside efforts such as Torrey Pines, Sandpiper and Los Verdes with Pebble Beach or Cypress Point, Jr's courses are very playable and rarely offend. I myself have played close to a dozen of his courses and have never walked away feeling cheated. His designs are solid overall and provide a good and fair test.
WFB had helped to spawn the career of other architects such as William Johnson and William Neff who went on to fine careers. The following is a presentation of some of William Francis Bell's work in California.
The par 3 6th at Torrey Pines North
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The 10th at Sandpiper
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The 11th at Sandpiper
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the 13th at Sandpiper
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The 5th at Sandpiper
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The 18th at Sandpiper
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Malibu CC
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Los Verdes
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Industry Hills (Ike and Babe, prerenovation)
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Other courses of note:
Hesperia
Country Club of Rancho Bernardo
Rancho Bernardo Inn
Mesa Verde
El Camino
Saticoy
William Francis Bell enjoyed a successful career and left a indelible mark on the West coast. While never the best of his time, he was very good at what he did do, which was produce solid no nonsense tests of golf that all levels of golfers have enjoyed for many years. In the end, I think his father would have been proud of his son's achievements and the fact that the last project that they started together will be playing host to our nations championship.
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Great thread. I also hope that he gets credit for the course here in a couple of weeks and the Bell story is told. I say a prayer of thanks most every day that he was able to keep T-Rob's market share in check all those years......Let's also add a couple of other "notables" to the list:
San Clemente, back 9 (a couple of his better holes)
Lake Arrowhead
Costa Mesa - both courses
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Bravo.
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Well done, David.
Although Bell, Jr.'s work has never received the acclaim of his father's work (and probably rightly so), he did some solid courses and was a force in Southern California's golf scene for three decades. I hope that NBC and the other media outlets won't let his involvement in Torrey go unnoticed.
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David,
Quite a wonderful thread; I know I've never been disapointed spending 4 hours on any Bell course, father or son. My memories of playing Palos Verdes are a signiifigant part of my golfing memory; starting my wife off in golf by putting there began her 20 year love affair with this geat game. Although the father produced more compelling fields of play than the son he has kept many golfers in So Cal happy to wack a ball on a truely functional muni.
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I played at Industry Hills once, and it has always bothered me that I wasted a whole day of my life I can never get back. Had to be one of the worst golf courses I had ever played. Even their funicular was overrated.
I should have just spent the whole day in the Ralph Miller Library rather than going out on the golf course. The problem is all golf courses look like they will be fun from a distance.
Cheers,
Dan King
The best thing about Eisenhower's Presidency was his Jeffersonian conviction that there should be as little government and as much golf as possible.
--Alister Cooke
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During my junior high and high school years, I lived about a mile from the Palo Alto Municipal Golf Course, out in the San Francisco Baylands. I didn't play golf back then, but I played the front nine many times in an industrial twilight league after college, about 20 years ago.
My source says the course was built in 1956, and designed by William F. and William P. Bell. Perhaps Billy Sr. designed the course before he died. The course is relatively long (~6800 yards) and simple, except that the wind really blows out on the Bay in the afternoons. The holes use the wind quite well, and I found playing the course to be enjoyable for that reason. The wind factor would have been even better, had they not planted the course with the dreaded eucalyptus trees. The world's messiest tree.
My parents moved from to the Bay Area around 1956, and my father's parents followed from Buffalo, NY in 1958, settling in Palo Alto, in a small home near the corner of Embarcadero Rd. and Louis Rd., also about a mile from the golf course. I was born in October, 1958, the apple of my grandmother's eye, according to family accounts.
My grandfather and grandmother were Scots. My grandfather was the oldest of 10 children. He left the Clydebank area of Glasgow for America in 1919 and never returned. He played soccer and golf, and was good enough to be selected for the Scottish national "B" team as a young man. He taught my father to play golf, and they played regularly at Cazenovia Park in south Buffalo. Grandpa possessed a very unusual swing, standing a very long way from the ball and lunging forward to strike it, his theory being that he could not slice the ball from that position. He was a reasonably good player, perhaps a 10 handicapper. I have a picture of him standing with a trophy that says, "1937 Golf Champion, Worthington Iron Works", a tournament in which he shot a 75. He looks a lot like me.
I also have another trophy, a wooden stand in the shape of a "1" with a Dunlop golf ball mounted on the front that says, "Dunlop Hole-In-One Award, Bill Kirk, Palo Alto M.G.C., February 26, 1959". He aced the long 14th hole, a 230 yarder, his one and only ace. My father has three aces and I now have two, three generations worth.
While looking at the trophy this morning, the February 26, 1959 date caught my eye, as it could not have been more than a month later that my grandmother, Agnes Mercer Kirk, suffered a massive stroke and died unexpectedly. My heartbroken grandfather met and married his second wife Lois within six months, and lived with her in the same Palo Alto home for another 29 years.
John Mercer Kirk
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Great thread. It would be great to see some earlier black and whites of these courses when they were younger.
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Dan,
Is that the only Bell, Jr., course that you have played? If so, please don't judge his entire body of work by one bad experience. I grew up five minutes from Industry Hills, and I hardly ever played there.
A little history of IH. When the course was being built, I remember reading that the owner told Bell to make it as hard as he could (especially Ike) with the thought that it would land him a U.S. Open or other such top-tier event. Obviously, that wasn't to be the case. The site is a former landfill and doesn't present the best opportunity for a great golf course. If memory serves, the LPGA played an event there for either one or two years in the early 1980's and the players hated it so much that the event never came back.
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Put me down as one who thinks that W. F. Bell was nothing more than utilitarian as a designer and one of the main reasons why California golf is pretty mediocre once you take away the top dozen or so courses.
Shallow, saucer like bunkers, and flat greens with maybe one ridge bisecting it were his trademarks.
All that being said, he spent his career designing courses in GCA's dark age - 1950s - 1970s so there wasn't much going on anywhere else that he could use for competition or inspiration. The bar was pretty low for golf design during his career but unfortunately he did nothing to raise it.
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Allan Long writes:
Is that the only Bell, Jr., course that you have played? If so, please don't judge his entire body of work by one bad experience. I grew up five minutes from Industry Hills, and I hardly ever played there.
Playing most of my golf in California, I've played a great number of Bell courses -- but being in Northern California, more senior than junior.
- Ancil Hoffman -- no big shakes. Decent enough course in a very nice setting.
- Calvada -- Okay, not great, but what do you expect in Pahrump.
- Industry Hills (Ike) -- Hated it!
- Green Trees -- No big shakes either way.
- Hidden Valley -- At one time the only decent course in Reno.
- Kern River -- Nothing to like or dislike.
- Los Verdes -- One of my favorites on this list.
- Malibu Country Club -- Decent course on a small property.
- Marina at San Leandro -- Can be fun when the wind is tough, otherwise, very boring.
- Modesto Dryden -- Another muni with very little to get you to come back.
- Newport CC -- Nice setting for uninspired course.
- Torrey Pines -- I like the courses, but still seem like a missed opportunity with their location.
- Olivas Park -- Hated it!
- Palo Alto Muni -- I liked this course. Can't blame Bell for the geese.
- Pine Mountain Lake -- My one and only ace was on this course many years ago. Otherwise, nothing worth writing home about.
- Ranch Course at Alisal -- Membership prouder of this course than they have a right to be.
- Sandpiper -- Used to play here on trips between Norcal and socal, until I discovered La Purisima. Seems like not the best use of the land, like Torrey South.
- Chuck Corica (Jack Clark) -- No there there.
- Tony Lema -- Only thing of interest was the pics of Mr. Lema in the clubhouse.
- Valley Hi -- Totally forgetable.
A little more than 20 courses that I can remember. I'd say the courses of his I played are easily walkable, but generally uninspiring. I think it isn't hard to imagine better courses on some of the land he had to work with. He built a large number of munis, probably because he was building when munis were at their peek and because he was reasonably priced.
Cheers,
Dan King
After a golfer has been out on the circuit for a while he learns how to handle his dating so that it doesn't interfere with his golf. The first rule usually is no woman-chasing after Wednesday.
--Tony Lema
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A little history of IH. When the course was being built, I remember reading that the owner told Bell to make it as hard as he could (especially Ike) with the thought that it would land him a U.S. Open or other such top-tier event. Obviously, that wasn't to be the case. The site is a former landfill and doesn't present the best opportunity for a great golf course. If memory serves, the LPGA played an event there for either one or two years in the early 1980's and the players hated it so much that the event never came back.
I played the Ike a few times in the 1980's. The story I heard was that Tom Watson shot upper 70's on his one and only visit there, and declared it the worst course he ever played. I didn't mind it as much as some of you.
Dan King -- if you hated the Ike, you are probably fortunate you did not play the Babe.
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Did you steal my photo of 11 at Los Verdes? ;D
Has there been an architect for whom critical reception is as universally lukewarm as WB2 who has gotten more oceanfront sites?
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Did you steal my photo of 11 at Los Verdes? ;D
Has there been an architect for whom critical reception is as universally lukewarm as WB2 who has gotten more oceanfront sites?
Sorry Simps, some of the photo's were from GK. I should've asked, but I didn't know if they were yours.
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I am not going to speak for David, but I don't think his intention in posting this was to say that Bell, Jr., was one of the greats of the profession, or that his courses have been unjustly overlooked for their quality.
As David Kelly said, the courses that came out of that era certainly couldn't be considered the second-coming of the Golden Age. However, I don't recall anyone saying they considered Bell's work genius, just enjoyable.
I think Dan is absolutely correct that Bell could have gotten more out of some of his courses, and he probably did get a lot of work because he was reasonably priced (and the Bell name didn't hurt either.)
However, if one is going to compare the work of basically a regional architect to that of the C&C's, Doak's , MacKenzie's and Tillinghast's of the world, you will be sorely disappointed. But for many, Bell, Jr's., courses were and are affordable and fun in a market where affordability isn't always the case, and where tee times can be scarce. For many daily-fee players, when those are the options that you have, you make the best of it.
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Has there been an architect for whom critical reception is as universally lukewarm as WB2 who has gotten more oceanfront sites?
William F. Bell was designing courses at a time when the population and tax base of California was exploding and the state's municipalities had money to burn (pre- Prop. 13) so there were a lot of opportunities out there. Plus, his ocean courses were all completed before the formation of the California Coastal Commission. Judging by the Dos Pueblos fiasco of a few years ago I don't see any way that Sandpiper would be built today.
Who was his competition for the jobs that he got? R.T. Jones, Sr. would come out a do a course every once in a while but primarily Bell was going up against the likes of Robinson and Rainville. So it wasn't like they were pushing each other to greatness.
W.F. Bell's work was 'good enough' when it was built but in retrospect most people can see that a lot more could have been done with many of the sites he was given.
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David Stamm,
Thanks for the writeup.
I've too have enjoyed some of Bell's courses. At least they are walkable, but then I guess almost all were from that era.
My frustration with WFB is that his work is often confused with that of his father, and while this has bolstered WFP's reputation, in my opinion WPB's reputation may suffer from the association. (DavidS I know you are not confusing or interplaying the two, just pointing this out generally.)
On the other hand, I used to look at Torrey and wonder what could have been, but now that I have seen what Rees Jones did to the place it makes me appreciate WFB's contributions a bit more.
DM
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Has there been an architect for whom critical reception is as universally lukewarm as WB2 who has gotten more oceanfront sites?
William F. Bell was designing courses at a time when the population and tax base of California was exploding and the state's municipalities had money to burn (pre- Prop. 13) so there were a lot of opportunities out there. Plus, his ocean courses were all completed before the formation of the California Coastal Commission. Judging by the Dos Pueblos fiasco of a few years ago I don't see any way that Sandpiper would be built today.
I moved out of country for awhile when Dos Pueblos was still being discussed. I'm assuming the Coastal Commission had something to do with it not proceeding. I drove by the property a half a dozen times last month and tried to envision the course layout - as much as one could while cruising on 101 at about 80 mph.
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One time in a dream Bell came to me and said this about the design of Torrey Pines..."My own thought is that when you have a setting like this it would be stupid to build anything which attempts to compete with that setting." Except he had more hair back then.
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I was going to add a blast of the River Course at Alisal, a truly non-memorable, in fact boring, course, when remembered that's not the Bell course, the Ranch is. Haven't played the Ranch.
Opinions of the River Course at Alisal? The Ranch?
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So excited to have another opportunity in SB county when Alisal River first opened. But my, what a disappointment and from what I gather quite a departure from the original Alisal.
Thought I'd never have to see Alisal again until I think it appeared on the big screen in Sideways - 14th hole it looked like to me.
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So excited to have another opportunity in SB county when Alisal River first opened. But my, what a disappointment and from what I gather quite a departure from the original Alisal.
Thought I'd never have to see Alisal again until I think it appeared on the big screen in Sideways - 14th hole it looked like to me.
I'm not sure how you could tell them apart (14th from some of the other holes). The only interesting / quirky part of the course was that little loop near the end with the short par 4 and short par 3. Otherwise, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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So excited to have another opportunity in SB county when Alisal River first opened. But my, what a disappointment and from what I gather quite a departure from the original Alisal.
Thought I'd never have to see Alisal again until I think it appeared on the big screen in Sideways - 14th hole it looked like to me.
I'm not sure how you could tell them apart (14th from some of the other holes). The only interesting / quirky part of the course was that little loop near the end with the short par 4 and short par 3. Otherwise, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
I assume it's Alisal River 14th has a fairway that is elevated above the others. In the scene shot at Alisal, the endlessly frustrated Paul Giammatti and Thomas Haden Church are playing the hole and are hit into from the group behind. Giamatti hits the ball right back at them causing a confrontation. So, you get multiple views of the hole.
I was forced to play the boring Alisal River (also described as uninspired by Rex Pickett, the writer of Sideways) a few times. The only memorable experience was a 300+yd drive on 18, almost entirely due to the 40+mph wind.
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Gentlemen -- I just had the pleasure (this must be a dumb luck thread) of playing nine holes at Bonneville Golf Course in Salt Lake City. Good grief was it fun! I played the front nine and it was very well done, I'd say only the first hole was a weak one. It appeared that the back nine may be on a bit more "less appealing" property, but I had a good time. The course website says this was a Bell, Sr. course from 1929 -- probably in his hey day.
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david...do you know what role william bell played in the design of stanford golf course with george thomas...if any...?? les
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Gentlemen -- I just had the pleasure (this must be a dumb luck thread) of playing nine holes at Bonneville Golf Course in Salt Lake City. Good grief was it fun! I played the front nine and it was very well done, I'd say only the first hole was a weak one. It appeared that the back nine may be on a bit more "less appealing" property, but I had a good time. The course website says this was a Bell, Sr. course from 1929 -- probably in his hey day.
Tony,
You're going to warm Cirba's heart as this is one of his SLC faves as well. The back 9 was added later and the original 9 really is a treat. He can give you a lot more info on this if you like.
How did you like the par 5 down the hill with the green sloping away from you? One of my fav par 5's I've ever played. I'm guessing in the original routing, what is now 10 and 18, used to be 8 and 9. So instead of playing 2 and 3, you would just go straight to the 4th hole after the 1st.
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david...do you know what role william bell played in the design of stanford golf course with george thomas...if any...?? les
Mr. Cordes,
You probably meant the other David, and he may know more about this than I do, but I recall reading that Stanford was largely a Bell, Sr. course. It is probably covered in one of Geoff Shackelford's excellent books.
Here is a link to an old review of the course, written in 1930 by someone apparently involved, that refers to the course as a Bell course.
http://stanfordmensgolf.org/aerials/Hole-by-holeReview.htm
The website also contains some great aerials from 1930. I've only played the course once, and found it fun with a very impressive routing over a tricky site. I'd love to see it fully restored, including a return to the original fairway widths.
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GS credits the course to Thomas and Bell Sr. in 1930, but not much coverage of the course otherwise in the Captain. I remember reading somewhere a while back that it was a WPB course with GCTJ's input on the routing.
There is a major undo required for the place to even have the air of a restoration. Between Harbottle and Mr. Furley......"oh the humanity".
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Jon,
Check out the old aerials though on the link above. Some pretty cool stuff, especially given the topography of the site.
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Fantastic....yet depressing. The omission of 3 & 4 bring tears.
The aerial comparison of #12 green brings vomit. The original green with entries dependent on which line you take off the tee combined with WPB bunkering adjacent to the green is fantastic.
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The Stanford Golf Course Web site has a bit about the history of the course. They give most credit to Bell Sr. with consultation from Thomas. They claim Thomas was sick at the time and never made it to Northern California to see the finished project.
Click here for short Stanford Golf Course history (http://stanfordgolfcourse.com/history.htm)
Cheers,
Dan King
Uneven stances on irregular, canted fairways are essential: far too many American courses offer monotonous lies from dead-flat terrain.
--George C. Thomas
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The Stanford Golf Course Web site has a bit about the history of the course. They give most credit to Bell Sr. with consultation from Thomas. They claim Thomas was sick at the time and never made it to Northern California to see the finished project.
Click here for short Stanford Golf Course history (http://stanfordgolfcourse.com/history.htm)
Cheers,
Dan King
Uneven stances on irregular, canted fairways are essential: far too many American courses offer monotonous lies from dead-flat terrain.
--George C. Thomas
"Thomas designed the course and Bell managed the construction. Bell traveled back and forth to Beverly Hills updating Thomas on his progress and getting further instructions. "
Dan, how does this give "most credit" to WPB?
One "might" argue that the GCTJ influence at Stanford is more along the lines of Castlewood/Palos Verdes....which ain't much. Yet the latter claims that it is a GCTJ design, which is a joke. I even know a guy that bought a hat proclaiming this ....:-\
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DM and JS,
Look at the fairway bunkering in the 2003 aerial of hole #13 (on the left) and you will see the exact same bunkers that Harbottle is putting in at Brookside right now. Most of his "Bell" bunkers at Brookside look like either a big W or a big U with the bottom part of the letter facing the tee. What you can't see in the aerial is the volcano effect that the new bunkers at Brookside are getting.
http://stanfordmensgolf.org/aerials/aerial12.htm
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DM and JS,
Look at the fairway bunkering in the 2003 aerial of hole #13 (on the left) and you will see the exact same bunkers that Harbottle is putting in at Brookside right now. Most of his "Bell" bunkers at Brookside look like either a big W or a big U with the bottom part of the letter facing the tee. What you can't see in the aerial is the volcano effect that the new bunkers at Brookside are getting.
http://stanfordmensgolf.org/aerials/aerial12.htm
More vomit. Volcanos will fit in perfectly with the topography at Brookside. :-\
Do you think the letter-shaped bunkers are in effect because Horribottle lives in Washington and really roots for UW? Or is there a longer, more hidden message.....
The Farm could stand to recapture some serious green surfaces. In playing there recently, many greenside bunkers are so far from the putting surface that they're not in play. I remember thinking that, but the aerials paint a much clearer picture.
If you look at the aerial from #5, you can see the excellent original....along with portions of the 4th hole (in both aerials), that Mr. Furley eliminated.
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Jon Spaulding writes:
Dan, how does this give "most credit" to WPB?
Did you read the same piece I read?
- Bell walked the property and decided to incorporate the San Francisquito Creek.
- Thomas was dealing with health issues at the time.
- Thomas died without ever seeing the course.
- Bell's bunker design
Cheers,
Dan King
No matter how skillfully one may lay out the holes and diversify them, nevertheless one must get the thrill of nature. . . The puny strivings of the architect do not quench our thirst for the ultimate.
--George Thomas (Golf Architecture on America, 1927)
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Stamm, I happen to be partial to that photo and hole at Los Verdes as one of my favorites so I'm glad you pulled it for this thread.
Personally, I think that is an excellent short par 4 that really captures the "2 or 6" spectrum...and it takes a much better shot than people would think to put it on that green, considering it is 320 yards down-mountain.
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Dan....the article says the following:
"Thomas designed the course and Bell managed the construction. Bell traveled back and forth to Beverly Hills updating Thomas on his progress and getting further instructions."
In my mind this article gives primary design credit to Thomas, while at the same time stating all the reasons why they should not ;).
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I should throw in the mention that WF Bell did two of the City of Phoenix municipals, the unremarkable Maryvale, and the more notable Papago Park. Papago is now undergoing a major renovation and has been the subject of several recent GCA threads.
Tom
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Jon and Dan,
For what it's worth, the 1930 review calls it a Bell course and does not mention Thomas. The author, Garry Bennett, was the professional and golf coach around this time (he was replaced in 1932 but not sure when he started) and was a Stanford Alum (1912.) Not sure if he was actually involved in the project but I get the feeling he might have been.