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GolfClubAtlas.com => Golf Course Architecture Discussion Group => Topic started by: George Pazin on November 20, 2007, 05:01:50 PM
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A little? A lot? Not at all? Completely?
Can you build a great course just from the topo?
Can you build a great course just by walking the land?
Can you build a great course by having your associates lay the groundwork and tweaking it?
Can you build a great course by designing everything and turning the plans over to a construction firm?
Can you build a great course by using only manual implements?
Can you build a great course by using only heavy equipment?
Please provide insight, backed up by evidence/examples.
:)
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I think the design process does affect the outcome. Some of your questions area bout the construction process, which affects it, too.
To answer briefly,
A lot. The more the sites vary, the more the design PROCESS has to stay the same to take advantage.....
No. I always see things on site that don't show up on topo and some of them turn out to be pretty damn important!
Probably Not, you'll miss something. Some relationships are better assessed on plan.
Probably, if they are good associates. Its a matter of who has time and passion often as much as its the name on the door. Think MacKenzie/Australia, many TF, JN and other big shop courses.
No, not without field supervision. Everyone has a slightly different idea they want to put in the course. Someone has to direct it and be firm in keeping the vision.
Probably not, but maybe on a "perfect site" and with an owner who doesn't care when it gets done.
Probably not. I am still surprised at how much hand work is necessary to finish a golf course.....
As to examples I don't have the time, so you'll have to trust me! :)
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Can you build a great course just from the topo?
Can you build a great course just by walking the land?
Can you build a great course by having your associates lay the groundwork and tweaking it?
Can you build a great course by designing everything and turning the plans over to a construction firm?
Can you build a great course by using only manual implements?
Can you build a great course by using only heavy equipment?
Please provide insight, backed up by evidence/examples.
:)
In other words:
Can you build it with a map?
Would you build it from your lap?
Should you build it as it's planned?
Must you build it all by hand?
Can you hand it off and run --
Or use dozers by the ton?
Tell us, archies, pro and am!
Thank you, thank you,
Dan-I-Am
(George-He-Is didn't rhyme.)
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Slow day at the Pioneer Press, I presume? ;)
Not bad on the spur of the moment, though!
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Can you build it with a map?
Would you build it from your lap?
Should you build it as it's planned?
Must you build it all by hand?
Can you hand it off and run --
Or use dozers by the ton?
Tell us, archies, pro and am!
Thank you, thank you,
Dan-I-Am
Who do you think you are?
Grantland Rice?
Ken
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In other words:
Can you build it with a map?
Would you build it from your lap?
Should you build it as it's planned?
Must you build it all by hand?
Can you hand it off and run --
Or use dozers by the ton?
Tell us, archies, pro and am!
Thank you, thank you,
Dan-I-Am
(George-He-Is didn't rhyme.)
Another sign that winter has descended on the Twin Cities.
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Bumped -- to give these questions their well-deserved chance to recover from my inadvertent threadjacking.
Grantland Seuss
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Thanks for the thoughtful, if brief, answer, Jeff.
Just a warning to the archies out there - I'll be bumping this again post-Thanksgiving. Ruminate if you can.
:)
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Apologies for the self-bump, but I think this is a topic worth exploring.
For the architects:
Do you approach all projects in the same manner (topo routing first, walk next, or maybe walk it then look at the topo, etc)? If so, can you share it? If not, how do they differ?
In projects where you perhaps worked in a different manner than you're normally accustomed to, were there recognizable differences that led you to reflect on your process?