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Title: Do any of the great old courses have water draining up and down the fairways
Post by: Mike_Young on March 15, 2007, 06:00:10 PM
or does it usually run across the hole or at a diagonal......The more I think about it the more I think that may be a common trait of the great classics...I know they can have a few holes as such but I am speaking of the majority of the course.  The on I would say has the most running up and down fairways is Oak Hill.....
Title: Re:Do any of the great old courses have water running up and down the fairways
Post by: Sean_A on March 15, 2007, 06:20:07 PM
Mike

The ocean doesn't "run up and down fairways", but fairways run up and down the ocean.  Does this count?  

Ciao
Title: Re:Do any of the great old courses have water running up and down the fairways
Post by: Mike_Young on March 15, 2007, 08:21:40 PM
Mike

The ocean doesn't "run up and down fairways", but fairways run up and down the ocean.  Does this count?  

Ciao
Sean,
That doesn't count.  I am talking about sheet drainage.....seems most all the old the water runs across the fairways instead of down the middle...whereas many of the new courses are routed out of necessity where water moves down the fairway.
Mike
Title: Re:Do any of the great old courses have water running up and down the fairways
Post by: David_Elvins on March 15, 2007, 08:40:36 PM
Mike

The ocean doesn't "run up and down fairways", but fairways run up and down the ocean.  Does this count?  

Ciao
Sean,
That doesn't count.  I am talking about sheet drainage.....seems most all the old the water runs across the fairways instead of down the middle...whereas many of the new courses are routed out of necessity where water moves down the fairway.
Mike

Hi Mike,

With the greatest respect, and I definetly don't mean to disparage your work at all, but I think you are in some regard you are comparing apples with oranges.

On the one hand you talk about the "great old courses", and in the other hand you talk about modern courses that "are routed out of necessity...".  I don't see the two as being comparable.  I am sure that there were many old courses built which had routing limitations, they just aren't great.  I also tend to think that the great courses of this era are on wonderful sites that don't have much in the way of limitations on routing.

Like I said, I don't mean that as an insult to any particular modern architects at all, but I think it is a comparison that is often made by many on this board that has a flawed premise.
Title: Re:Do any of the great old courses have water draining up and down the fairways
Post by: Mike_Young on March 15, 2007, 08:59:33 PM
David,
I basically agree.  BUT I wrote this after reading the "catch basin" thread.  So many of the courses we have today are around housing and streetsand therefore they are situated in valleys etc tus necessitiating water gong down the fairway.
Yes some of the course designed today are not limited in routing and you are correct..so many times this site compares the great old courses with the average of today instread of the great of today.
Mike