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Robert "Cliff" Stanfield

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Riviera and what other course?
« on: March 26, 2003, 04:40:36 PM »
I may be able to fit 2 courses in a trip to LA.

If you had the chance to play Riviera one day, what would be the other course of note (architecture wise) in the area.  Rank in order of merit.  It would help me out alot.  Thanks
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SPDB

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2003, 04:54:49 PM »
LACC (N) (play before/instead of Riviera)
Bel-Air
Rustic Canyon (can't personally vouch for its quality)

not much else out there, at least that i know of.


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Daryl "Turboe" Boe

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2003, 07:49:56 PM »
As I sit in my hotel tonight watching my Lakers in my margharita (?sp) induced stupor I decided to ask the question I have wondered many times when I have seen it.

What does RCS stand for?  I am sure it is your initials, but in my industry it stands for a product description that only an engineer could have come up with.  In my business RCS stands for Round Cornered Square, describing a particular type of cross section.  Again I have often wondered when I see you post, but not until tonight was I moved to ask the question.

Boy I love the entertaining that goes with being a steel salesman.
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Steve Lapper

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2003, 08:03:39 PM »
RCS,

SPDB has got it right..the only thing I'd add would be the possible substitution of Sherwood...no slouch..but certainly behind those other choices.

S
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Paul Richards

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2003, 08:40:42 PM »
LACC and Riviera.  A great 1-2 combination (if you can pull it off!). ;)
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bheafy

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2003, 09:57:57 PM »
I  would forget Riviera.  You must pay $350 plus at least $60 for a caddie.

The greens were punched two weeks ago and will be punched again in two weeks.

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Tim Taylor

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2003, 06:55:43 AM »
RCS and others,

Here's a question that I've pondered ever since I started visiting GCA - how do you guys arrange to get on these private courses? Some of which are *very* private.

Does your own club affiliation carry enough weight to get you on LACC or Winged Foot or Shinnecock? Are you guys industry "insiders" that some of the clubs are eager to cater to? Or is just your undeniable charm?

I frequently mix golf with business travel but I'm always looking at the better public access courses. Somehow I don't think that my membership at little ole Loudoun Golf and Country Club is going to be the ticket to golfing glory.

Curiously,

TimT
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THuckaby2

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2003, 07:56:14 AM »
Cast my vote with the others:  if you can make it happen, I'd say it goes in this order:

LACC North
Bel-Air
Rustic Canyon (though it is a bit of a drive out to Moorpark)

Close in to L.A., it's a bit of a golf wasteland.  If you don't mind driving 2 hours, the whole of Palm Desert is your oyster and then we have a different question... I assume you want to stick to LA proper.

TimT - re your question -we will discuss in depth when I see ya Monday.

TH
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A_Clay_Man

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2003, 08:22:20 AM »
If it isn't too beneath your standards there's a great nine holes in Griffith Park acroos from the Greek Theater, called Roosevelt. It is centrally located and if not too crowded can be a great way to kill 2 hours while simutaneously getting above the concrete jungle.

I think someone on here said it was a Perry Maxwell course, but alas, I have sometimers.

It might cost you as much as $15.
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THuckaby2

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2003, 08:26:54 AM »
Great call by Adam - Roosevelt is damn fun, a former haunt of mine during junior golf days, and in fact is were I first became aware of a young Eldrick Woods as he topped my score as a 6 year old when I was 18....

Just not sure if someone is playing Riv to begin with that they'd be looking for executive length munis.  If that's acceptable, then hell yes, give Roosevelt a shot.. and also head over to an ncredible newer exec course called Scholl Canyon that's in the Glendale hills that sets new standards in that genre.  Fun to the max.

TH

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Allan Long

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2003, 08:46:31 AM »
LACC (North)
Bel-Air
But, if you don't know someone, it may be hard to get on.

Another George Thomas course that I have not seen mentioned that seems to get lost in the dust of the West Side
Six is Palos Verdes GC. Although private, I believe they accept
reciprocal play, and Thomas' other LA courses are pretty good,
so I think you will find this fun, and a challenge.

Getting on any Griffith Park course may be like trying to get on Rancho Park--darn impossible. But if the opportunity is there, go for it.
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Andy_Lipschultz

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2003, 11:59:18 AM »

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Getting on any Griffith Park course may be like trying to get on Rancho Park--darn impossible. But if the opportunity is there, go for it.

A good way to get on Rancho (aside from signing up as a single), is to show up at dawn when they let about 10 groups go off the back and play 9. No reservations taken, so it's first come, first served.
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Dave_Miller

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2003, 12:05:32 PM »
RCS:

Personally I wouldn't waste the money on Riviera.  I have played it several times and it was very expensive and in very poor condition each time.

It is a great layout though.

There are also other Private courses such as Dove Canyon (Orange County, I believe) and Big Canyon but they are very private and very hard to get on.

Best,
Dave
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Chris_Clouser

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2003, 01:29:29 PM »
Roosevelt was built in 1964 by Harold Rubenstein according to Golfonline.  Not that I put much stock into that though.

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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2003, 02:05:13 PM »
To all,
Roosevelt was designed by William Johnson--a long time Associate to Billy Bell Sr. and Jr. out of Pasadena. I do believe it was way before 1964, more like 1952 or somewhere around that. Its a fun course that has some fun golf holes, and even some of them are quite strategic in nature. Hopefully this isn't somethign the Fazio organization will find out and want to change.

Two of the holes have a view of the Downtwon LA skyline,and are quite dramatic in the evening hours. No par 5's, but 5-4's and 4-3's which makes for a fun two hour round and even more fun to gamble on.

Andy, A little trick that one can use at both GP and Rancho is to when putting in your name for a time, is to use either "Kim" or "Soo" which is a guaranteed less then five minute wait at anytime! :)
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Andy_Lipschultz

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2003, 02:13:32 PM »

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Andy, A little trick that one can use at both GP and Rancho is to when putting in your name for a time, is to use either "Kim" or "Soo" which is a guaranteed less then five minute wait at anytime! :)

Tommy: Someone from outside the office just yelled and wanted to know what I was laughing at. That was a good one and oh, so very true.

With Rancho I was always amazed at the same old guys who somehow got out at the same time every week. What the hell, when you're a senior paying $12 green fees why not kick in a $10 gratituity when checking in with the starter. It's still a hell of a deal.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2003, 02:24:46 PM »
Andy,
If you get this, give me a call ASAP! 714-803-3563 Its about tomorrow @ 11:55am :)

You guys had me thinking--I had to go to Architects of Golf, and inside, William Johnson, listed as his first design--Roosevelt GC. Sadly William Johnson died the same year as Billy Bell Jr.--1979. I was surprized to see he was also responsible for Pala Mesa, which is a pretty good track just South of Temecula in North San Diego County, near Fallbrook.
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Mike Benham

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2003, 02:47:57 PM »
If you want to venture to Pasadena, Brookside, Course #1, in the shadows of the Rose Bowl, is a decent test.

Designed by William Bell in 1928, from the back tees, it is 7,000 yards, 73.6, 137 ... a stern test, straight forward design and routing ... a muni but the greens are usually in good shape ...
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: Riviera and what other course?
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Allan Long

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2003, 03:11:14 PM »
Tommy N.,

That may be the best piece of advice I have seen on GCA. :) Where were you with that when I needed it? ;)

Tillinghast also assisted Bell with Brookside. Worth the trip for that alone.
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Robert "Cliff" Stanfield

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #20 on: March 27, 2003, 07:43:52 PM »
Has anyone played Mesa Verde?  The host at riviera is also a member there and has offered it for play with the possiblity of LACC and Belair.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2003, 08:02:57 PM »
RCS,
Mesa Verde is a conugrum of golf holes originally laid out by BB Jr. then further crystalized by the mighty hands of Ron Fream, Ted Robinson and Alister MacKenzie-specialist, David Rainville.

If it were me, and I say this with the best of intentions not to insult, I would decline on the grounds of not wanting to infect your palette with such Garbage' (pronounced "Gar-baj") This guy is a member at both Riviera and Mesa Verde? ? ?

The course has hosted a womens and senior event. More then likely because the club wanted it.

Please, Offer him the chance to go see a really interesting new course that will make him appreciate Riviera that much more--Rustic Canyon. Forgo Bel Air, See LACC North and Riv, despite the conditioning especially if you haven't seen it before.
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Tommy_Naccarato

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2003, 08:08:43 PM »
Allan,
Not really a lot of Tillie in Brookside. More of a BB course with Tillie as a partner for name value.

Desmond Muirhead did a LOT of damage on this course also. No symbolism stuff, but more adding unnecessary lakes etc. In fact, I think I got him pissed-off at me once for saying that he should have left it alone or at least restore it.

Is the Bear Down thing about UofA?
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Allan Long

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Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2003, 07:54:46 AM »
[Is the Bear Down thing about UofA?]

Tommy,

You get the gold star, my man. Very good!!
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les_claytor

Re: Riviera and what other course?
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2003, 11:28:06 PM »
Why Holmby Park GC of course.  It's the antethesis of Riviera, (which I had the pleasure to play once, with the super and really love).

Holmby isn't far from Riv, you could warm up and go back and to cool down afterwards.  $4 and 2-3 clubs is all you need.  You can rub shoulders with the park's main users, catch a glimpse of the LACC and get a more realistic feel for the lovely life in LaLa land.

Holmby Park is a 9 hole chip and putt near UCLA and the LACC driving range that is a pretty fun golfing and park experience.  Bring your wedge game!  You even get to experience real kikuya sans verticutting.

Truthfully, when I get back to LA, I plan to definitely check out Rustic Canyon.
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