[gookin]

Can anyone think of a course where two holes shared the same tee complex.  Is this something that can be successfully done?  If so what are the key elements for success.

[A_Clay_Man]

While it may not exactly qualify, the 4th and 17th at Pebble can share the same teeing ground.

As for what makes them work best, that is entirely up to the level of consideration of the golfers who cross, in these situations.

Dubbs Dread at Cog Hill had a shared box, what was it? 9 and 3?

One of the positives for the walking aware, is the ability to get glimpses of what lies ahead.

[Mike Nuzzo]

Shoreacres...it may have been expanded so they wound up one mass, two tees (7 & 15) form a V.
Wintonbury Hills has 2 holes that back up to each other (par 3 in one direction, par 4 in the opposite) you can tee from any pad to either hole, not that they'd let you on a muni.  Brae Burn here in Houston has a large L shaped tee that serves the back tee for 2 perpendicular holes.  There are probably lots of others, why do you ask?
Cheers

[DPL11]

Riverton CC in Cinnaminson, NJ which was designed by Ross in 1916. The #2 & 17 tee complexes sit on top of a hill and the two holes play in perpindicular directions.

Ron Pritchard has completed a master plan for Riverton, which moves the 2nd tee to the left by about 30 yards of the present location.

On the hill where these 2 tees sit, is also the location of #1 green, #16 green, #2 & 17 tees. It gets a bit congested at times.



Doug

[David_Tepper]

Burlingame CC (Calif.) has two holes that share the same teeing area. I cannot remember the hole #'s. Shared teeing grounds would probably work best at a private club that does not get a whole lot of play.

[Cliff Hamm]

The 18th & 11th at Exeter in Rhode Island designed by Cornish.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Gookin,

# 7 and # 9 at Boca Rio share the same tee complex, as did # 13 and # 15 at Preakness Hills.

If greens can be shared I see no reason why tees can't be shared, although it can cause delays in play due to golfers on one tee waiting for the golfers on the other tee before teeing off, out of courtesy.

[gookin]

mike Nuzzo,

The 11th and 15th tees at our course are adjacent to each other but are seperated by an eight foot hedge with a cart path for each tee on either side of the hedge.  Players on the tees at the same time are not aware of who is hitting and often distract each other.  Combining the tees would create total awareness plus expand the teeing area for each. It would create a feel of more congestion. I am trying to create interest amoung members to combine the tees. I think the pros outweigh the cons.

[brad_miller]

I believe the 4th and 16th at Maidstone, seems to work fine, but then how many rounds do they do.

[Mark Studer]

Gookin- just got back from NJ....sorry you could not make it....anyhow...the 13th(Eden par 3) and the 9th a 4 par at Chicago Golf Club share a tee about the same size as #11 &15 at FCGC. It is another Raynor( 3 par /4 par) that would show your membership how good that idea was, and is still now.  Mark

[TEPaul]

Brad:

90% of the golf I've played at Maidstone has been full field tournaments and #4 & #16 combined tee is very congenial. Whoever gets there second just steps aside and waits---no problem. Matter of fact if a group off #3 gets there first they just wait for the group off #15 to walk across that rather long bridge right at them.

My club, Gulph Mills, is about to combine into one large teeing area our 11th and 18th tees which are now immediately back to back (going in opposite directions).

It's going to get even more interesting than that in some situations. It may even be possible (when the back tees are tipped out and being used) for a group playing #11 to be using the front of what was the old 18th tee and a group playing #18 to be using what was the front of #11 which would mean they would be teeing off in opposite directions at each other.

To visualize this better if both groups were to tee off at the same time they would be standing about 75 yards from one another and firing right over each other's heads.

I believe #13 and #16 at LuLu are combined in an L.  

[mikeyolympic]

Medinah's no. 3 course has a share tee complex that takes a triangle shape for holes no 12 and 15. they have those interesting compass looking things pointing out which direction to hit the tee shot for both those holes.

[TEPaul]

gookin;

I've no idea why you're asking but would it perhaps be holes #11 and #15 at Fox Chapel? If so go for it. In theory it always seems to be problematic and cumbersome to some but in practice it's incredibly easy and only requires the simplest of obvious etiquette which I've seen work automatically for years at some of these courses mentioned such as Maidstone.

I proposed that combining of #11 and #18 tees at GMGC to a large membership meeting during our restoration master planning and as soon as I said it about five people jumped up at the same time telling me I was crazy and people would get killed!

I said; "Do you really think two groups will stand right in front of each other and fire drives right at each other"---and after they thought about that for about 5 seconds they just sat down and never said another word.

[Joel_Stewart]

The 2nd and 14th holes at Cypress Point has a L shaped tee box which is connected.  I'm not sure if it was part of the original plan.

[gookin]

TEPaul,

I will let you know how many people stand up and scream at me.  I beat it is higher than 5.  But that is the fun part.  If everyone could easily see what a good idea it is then anyone could do this job.  Supporting the idea with examples shared on this sight will certainly help.

[TEPaul]

gookin:

If anyone wants to see how it works with our course and they're in Eastern Pa by all means tell them to come on over and see for themselves.

[Jeff Goldman]

Gookin, the 12 and 16th holes at Olympia Fields South share the same teeing ground, a raised platform maybe 15 X 10 yards.  The tees are no more than a few yards apart, and the holes run perpendicular.  12 is a 200 yard par 3 over a valley to an elevated green, and 16 is a 370 yard par 4 with a more or less blind tee shot over a valley to an area slightly higher than the tee.  Works just fine, we generally let folks on 16 go first after a friendly hello.

Jeff Goldman

[Forrest Richardson]

Gookin — Usually it will be the back tees that share space. This is because tees further back will conflict with play up forward. I've designed plenty of such double use back tees, but only one made it to the real world: Phantom Horse Nos. 12 and 15 (old Nos. 13 and 16). However, they don't play No. 15 from the back tee — they just report the yardage for scorecard purposes and to trick group bookings to think the course is 40 yards longer.

The most recent course (new course) I've seen such shared tees is at Nanea, Hawaii. Nos. 1 and 10 play from the same tee box at the back. It is quite nice and offers an interesting relationship between those beginning and those turning. Of course, Nanea has all of 10 people playing per day at this time, so there is problem with any waiting required should two groups reach the shared tee at once. I suspect this condition at a highly played venue would become a problem.

[blasbe1]

At my home course, Seawane, we now have two shared tee boxes.  The 6th and 8th, which used to be seperated by hedges has been intergrated and permits new, longer, back tee options for both (6 is a 5-par and 8 is a 3-par).  In addition, we've built a new back tee on #7 that was moved back across an access road.  That new tee will also serve as a new back tee for # 12, although I think that will likely only be used in tournament play.  Hard to say if noise will be an issue yet b/c the new tees don't open until May.  Taking the hedges out between 6 and 8 gives a player a great look at our Short hole ( while playing the tee shot on 6.  Visually, I think it's great.  As for the noise issue, the new tee on # 6 is actually two areas seperated by a large mound so if noise turns out to be a problem we can use the inside tee on 6 which will be seperated from 8 by the mound.      

[Wayne Freeman]

What about the idea of shared tee boxes. I've never liked them myself.  Certainly a lot of forgettable courses have them. But when I played Maidstone a few times, I thought it was a bit annoying to wait or worry about what another group was doing.  

[Forrest Richardson]

When I played Maidstone I didn't worry about anything. It was one of the best golf experiences of my life.

[Adam_Messix]

I believe #2 and #10 at Bidermann share a sort of "V" shaped tee.  The 2nd being a interesting short par 5 and the 10th a long par four with an elevated green.

[Brian_Gracely]

What about the idea of shared tee boxes. I've never liked them myself.  Certainly a lot of forgettable courses have them. But when I played Maidstone a few times, I thought it was a bit annoying to wait or worry about what another group was doing.  

lwaynef,

What do you do on courses that have tees near greens, or parallel fariways?  We have a shared tee-box for our #13 and #18 holes and it's never been a problem.  But I suppose that our members have simply learned that a small amount of patience and courtesy is needed to play our Donald Ross gem, where greens and tees are rarely ever 20-30 yards apart.  

[Nick Pozaric]

At Scioto in Ohio the 1st and 10th tees are connected by a putting/chipping green.  Vert cool and awesome design.  The short grass of the tee goes right to the fringe of the green.  Great way to pass the time while waiting to tee off.

[Andy Silis]

Holes Number 1 and 10 at SF Club share the same teebox. Very cool start to a course I rank Number 3 behind Cypress and NGLA on my personal Top 10 list!

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