On the subject of drivable par 4's, can I just say that I was COMPLETELY blown away by the genius of #2 at NGLA? You have all of this going on:1. The caddie gives you the aggressive line for the tee shot and you think to yourself "he's insane - there's no way that can be the intended golf shot" as he stands in the brush 50 yards left of the bunker and fairway to the right of that, with a carry over a valley that visually looks too for for Tiger to do. All your senses tell you to hit it at the grass you can see, or maybe if you are bold over the bunker - but that visually looks damn far also.2. Thus the unitiated, timid, or smart (depending on the wind direction) hit it at or right of the fairway bunker, toward the beckoning grass.3. You then find that IF you've kept it far enough left (ie over the bunker), you are down in a bowl with a semi-blind pitch over a bunker... if you've gone too far right, you can be completely blind... but for those of lesser strength, there also is a flat area way to the right that makes for a clear, but longer shot...4. Meanwhile, on the caddie's given aggressive line, upon reaching the area of one's 2nd shot, you see the issue - the carry really ISN'T that far - it has to be very doable in no wind - and the reward is VERY tangible - a fairway appears up there on the left shelf, and slopes quite sharply down toward the green, with no bunkers or anything in the way - here comes the head slap - a drive in that direction can CERTAINLY not only make the carry, but also reach the green!5. But oh no, genius CB Mac isn't done yet. Just to show that the power game isn't completely rewarded with reckless abandon, he throws in a sharp "ramp" about five yards short of the green... with the result that in normal firm and fast conditions, three things occur: a) it helps a ball creeping down the hill but hit strong enough to actually reach the green; b)it punishes the over-egoed who take the aggressive line but don't hit it far enough, by complicating tremendously a pitch from back by the fairway bunker; and most importantly, c) an aggressive drive played perhaps too low and too hard will actually PICK UP speed off that ramp, and thus the very real possibility of going THROUGH the green presents itself! To make matters "worse", there is a sharp slope behind the green, leading to a shot that cannot be very good for the score if one goes over.Whew! What a great golf hole! There are at least five very real distinct ways to play the tee shot, and the world of outcomes seems to be limitless. A strong player has the very real chance to make a 2... but a mistep most definitely means 5 or higher. The player of less strength has a quite doable way to make a 4 with two well-planned shots...Now THAT is a great short par 4.And here's the greatness of NGLA again - one could make a strong argument that #2 is among the weaker holes on the course!Do NOT get me started on #3... #8... Sorry for the ramble. This all might be very obvious to those who frequent NGLA but it literally took my breath away. I didn't want to leave this hole!TH