Playoff holes? Lost but not forgotten.

[Pete G]

The only one I can think of in Nor Cal is at Stanford. How many clubs have them? Any body building them still? It would be much more fun to settle a match on one, than "by the card" or with dice cups. Then again, how many times do you end up all square?

[DBE]

Double Eagle and Forest Creek

[John Morrissett]

Floridian and Knollwood (Westchester County).

[DBE]

John, where is the bye hole at the Floridian?

[John Morrissett]

To the right of the 18th green, heading off at an angle.  It's about 110 yards and dead flat -- you might have mistaken it for a pitching green.

[Mike_DeVries]

I wanted to put a "bye hole" in at Pilgrim's Run, but the owners didn't go for it.  Initially, as a private club, it would have maybe happened, but it is public now, so . . .The 18th green is away from the clubhouse and there is a perfect 80-120 yard pitch from a tee slightly above a green set into the bank below the clubhouse.  I thought it sounded like a great marketing ploy, with the only problem being a potential lack of teeing space for a public course -- still would have been fun!

[Pete G]

Mike,I think the "bye" hole is almost essential, especially in public golf. Too bad the owners took a dim view of it. You are the expert, they hired you for your advice, then failed to take it.In public golf this hole could serve many other purposes than just settling the occassional even match.For the superintendent it could be a evaluation area for equipment, materials, techniques and training. If it was strong enough it could be a maintenance hole when problems occured or maintenance activitiesrequired closing a hole on the regulation course.The golf professional could use it for teaching a great variety of shots, rules instruction, beginners, hole in one contests. (community fund raisers.) Imagination is the only limit to the value of such a feature.Now, I just have to figure out how to work one into my project.  

[Jeff_Mingay]

If I'm not mistaken, Mackenzie planned a "bye hole" for Augusta National, didn't he? Jones didn't like the idea and had it removed. And Mike: there was a good opportunity for one at Pilgrim's Run. With your explaination, I can see it clearly.

[GeoffreyC]

The hole at Knollwood in Elmsford, NY is a downhill 90-100 yard shot to a tiny green that has a severe back to front tilt and with a bunker left. It's a fun shot in part due to the severe green and it follows maybe the best 18th hole in Westchester County.Gerge Bhuto:  I think that Knollwood is credited to Tillinghast although it has green features that really look like Raynor.  It also had (past tense since the green was just redone this year) an uphill redan and I don't know of Tillinghast making any other redan par 3's.  Did Raynor do any work on Knollwood???