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TEPaul

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« on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
The "Most fun tee shot" post got me to thinking about all the lists of the greatest courses etc. and how we debate this and that, better and best and our favorites.All of us have been asked many times what our favorite course is. I'm from the home of Merion and Pine Valley and they are hard to top, but I don't think I've ever answered the question, even in my own mind. No more waffling and wavering for me-I've decided-it's The Maidstone!It doesn't have eighteen world class holes like Merion or Pine Valley and some others and its routing is a little odd and it may have what could be considered a weak hole or two. What it has the others don't is greater versatility and day in and day out variety.When you step on the first tee the first time your reaction is the same as some of the European links courses: "where's the golf course"? The first hole is definitely "European amorphous". Its design and evolution have been somewhat lost in the mysteries of time.The course has quirkiness, scary and hard holes, easy holes, half pars, and nothing is remotely the same. On the ground its a great design and beautiful to look at. But the best of it is its partner in design-the weather! I've played it on beautiful calm summer days, in the howling wind, rain and cold and even the fog. A friend of mine recently played it as Floyd was rolling in and although he was bleeding to death when he put his bag in the car he said he never had more fun in his life.Therefore Maidstone can be very vulnerable one day and a good player can easily beat up on its par. But the next day Maidstone can slice that same player to bits and steal every ball out of his bag. On the same hole one day can be a drive, SW, the next two drivers.It may be in the top handful in the world for match play and the routing and hole variety of its finishing stretch is just as good as it can get for that format. They say you can't win the Maidstone Bowl unless you go 2-3 under on the back to back par 5s (#15 and #16-the half pars). Many matches have turned or drowned on the short, gambling par 4 17th and the pin placement variety on #18 is the best there is on a closing hole. It has my favorite hole in the world (#9) and if you're lucky you can catch a glimpse of beautiful naked girl on the beach from the 9th or 15th tee (that's good trivia! What other 15th tee can you catch a glimpse of a beautiful naked girl on the beach?)Yessir, The Maidstone has got it all-it's definitely my favorite and my #1.

TEPaul

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« Reply #1 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
Sorry wrong tee.The trivia question is the 14th tee not 15th.

JohnV

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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
The 12th green and 13th tee at Torrey Pines South are right above Black's Beach which is a famous nude beach.

TEPaul

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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
JohnV:Glad to know that; I'll put that on my list-but can you think of a 14th tee?

Ran Morrissett

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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
Tom,Twice in my life I have walked off a course wondering if it was possible to have any more fun -the first time was Lahinch and the second time was Maidstone after a classic 52 hole day.You will get no argument from me and you highlight its charm quite well. In this day of "18 signature holes," the Maidstone quirkiness and the way the course comes and goes seems all the more special to me.Still, the tee where I saw the sun bathers was the 15th. If you can see them from the 14th as well, all the better.

TEPaul

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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
Ran:No, not the 14th at the Maidstone. The 14th at another great course. The hint is its a beach and it's obviously got to be fairly exclusive (maybe it belongs to the club-I don't know) or else the cops would be there rounding up those cute little naked bodies. I'm pretty sure you've played the course-at least I'm sure your brother John has.

John Morrissett

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
The answer must be Seminole, although I didn't see any there Thursday (and I looked).Maidstone is one of twenty or so courses that I would never dream of arguing with someone who claimed it as his favorite -- because I might agree with him someday.  It is on the very short list for pure fun.For the meantime, though, I'll stay with the course down the road -- NGLA.  There is simply no where I would rather play.  It is the perfect combination of difficulty, interest and enjoyment.

TEPaul

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« Reply #7 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
John:Bingo!! The 14th tee at Seminole.It's the only spot on the course that remotely slows up reknowned sportsman Ogden Phipps-definitely a man on a mission and one of the speedier players the world has ever known.

Ran Morrissett

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« Reply #8 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
The Creek too is pure fun along the same lines as Maidstone and deserves some nude bathers somewhere as well, just to round things out.Of course, I have become jaded after five years of relentlessly having to put up with the fact every beach in Australia is topless.

Ran Morrissett

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
Tom,Following the logic in my first post here, how do you think Maidstone would turn out if it was designed today on the same piece of property?Cheers,

TEPaul

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 1999, 07:00:00 PM »
Ran:I assume you mean the part about in this day and age of eighteen signature holes. That is a really, really good question. You know I have only come to the subject of architecture in the last year or so and I'm still struggling to visualize what it takes to analyze land and how new holes, routings etc. fit and flow on raw land. I really don't feel confident to know how to answer because it's hard to know where to start and stuff, particularly when there is something there that I love so much. I'll tell you the first thing that would be hard is to do anything about the non-returning nines due to the houses on the lane that passes the 1st and 17th holes. The course is so narrow in that stretch.Got to go to dinner. Will answer more later.