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guesst

Re:Addiction
« Reply #25 on: May 20, 2004, 04:07:43 PM »

 . . .  some kids are just dumber than others. . . if he wasn't on dope,  did his homework, wasn't truant all the time, didn't fall asleep in class, didn't try to light his teacher's car on fire in the parking lot, etc., he'd be a fine student.  Nonsense.  

Oh, my.  I like you, Shivas; I really do.  But if you're inferring that women golfers are like delinquent children, well . . .  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you've had unfortunate experiences that have clouded your world view.  I hardly place lacking the strength and leverage to shoot 200 yards in the same category as lighting cars on fire . . . ;)

Adam, I do understand the whole "waggle over the ball" thing, after having watched that Armenian I was running around with doing his little club twitch thing, it's obvious everyone has their own ritual.  If it's a walking game I can step right out and hit and hit and hit in pretty much the same time it takes to hit and walk and walk and walk.  

I've watched a foursome play when one guy just can't keep it in the fairway, when all five of us are looking for his ball off every tee for 18 holes.  When is it time to drop a ball and hit again?  I've been known (heaven help me!) to let the fella I'm playing with hit it off the tee for me on a long hole.  I've also (can I admit it?) picked up my ball and carried it around the water I knew I couldn't get over.  Yikes!  But I like to play, for better or worse, and I don't care much about keeping score against anyone except myself.  Part of it, I'm sure, comes from mostly hanging out with guys with single digit handicaps.  I can't compete with that, unless I get to start 100 yards from every green.  

Surely keeping the pace of play doesn't mean merely keeping up with the group in front of you?  Surely it has something to do with the pace at which the other members of your group are playing?  I don't want to make anyone wait; least of all the people with whom I'm playing. You won't see me on the green practicing, unless it's a practice green.  I putt it in.  In one, two, or three.  Or I pick it up and move along.  With a bit of a scowl.   :-\  I am probably more aware of the pace of play than most . . . because I'm a woman and don't want anyone to think I'm slowing things down just because I don't carry the right equipment.  Or because I'm in the parking lot lighting the super's car on fire . . . :-*
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Mike Hendren

Re:Addiction
« Reply #26 on: May 20, 2004, 04:18:16 PM »

 . . .  Adam, I do understand the whole "waggle over the ball" thing, after having watched that Armenian I was running around with doing his little club twitch thing, it's obvious everyone has their own ritual.  

Darva,

I must confess to having never seen The Armenian actually strike the golf ball.  I have finally attributed that to the hypnotic power of his pre-shot routine.  Every time I snap out of it he's already strolling down the fairway.

Regards,

Mike
« Last Edit: May 20, 2004, 04:18:48 PM by Mike_Hendren »
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Mike_Cirba

Re:Addiction
« Reply #27 on: May 20, 2004, 04:22:33 PM »
Coincidental topic...

This past Sunday my fiance played golf for the first time (I had previously taken her to a driving range to get the feel of hitting the ball) as I took her and her 12 year old son to a 9-hole par three course playing around 1500 yards.

Fortunately, she loved it, was rather capable (no whiffs, hit it consistently about 130 with the driver, and got that elusive feel for the short game and putting going without much instruction) and is looking forward to playing again.

The final results;

Mike - 32
Jen - 46
Tyler - 49

I had a blast, frankly, and it reminded me of when I started the game.  I'm not sure what Shivas is talking about when he says that we're just being politically correct...I've played with lousy players who were finished in less than 3 hours and had a great time with and I've played Bataan Death march games with superb players who were as friendly as a cactus and more deliberate than Bernhard Langer.  

I've also played with redanman's wife and she can join my foursome anytime.   ;D

TEPaul

Re:Addiction
« Reply #28 on: May 20, 2004, 04:41:22 PM »
redanman:

At writing English you get about a C- but at Ebonics you just plain fail---a straight F!

As for Tiger Woods, it's not his lower back you want, it's his fame and his money (who wouldn't?). The man made $76.6 mil last year and you're just pissed he wouldn't even lend you $5.00 if you got down on your knees and begged him for it. That's because I told him how mean you'd been on here to him and that's what happens when you criticize people you have no reason to criticize!   ;)

Bill Gayne

Re:Addiction
« Reply #29 on: May 20, 2004, 04:52:27 PM »
I will gladly partner with a women in any type of scramble format. Having a women on the team that can consistently drive a ball straight about 150 to 200 from the forward tees is a huge advantage.

I've also observed that most women players putt everything out. Whereas with men gimmes are much more common. If men putted out all those putts their handicaps would probably be a little bit higher and they wouldn't miss when forced to putt out.

My wife doesn't play and for that reason I don't seek out women to play with on a routine basis. ;)

JakaB

Re:Addiction
« Reply #30 on: May 20, 2004, 05:01:55 PM »


Fortunately, she loved it, was rather capable (no whiffs, hit it consistently about 130 with the driver, and got that elusive feel for the short game and putting going without much instruction) and is looking forward to playing again.



As soon as I get home tonight from golfing....I will shower..fix my wife a strong drink and see if after 22 years she can still make me believe a line of crap like that.....my god man...that post made me physically sick.

THuckaby2

Re:Addiction
« Reply #31 on: May 20, 2004, 05:05:39 PM »
Aw, come on John, have a heart.  Remember Mike is ENGAGED, with all that such entails.  Let's not ruin this for him so soon.

 ;D

I gotta say, that did crack me up though.  Next time would you stop being so namby-pamby huckaby-wuckably and tell it like it is?   ;)

guesst

Re:Addiction
« Reply #32 on: May 20, 2004, 05:10:14 PM »

My wife doesn't play and for that reason I don't seek out women to play with on a routine basis. ;)

Mr. Gayne, I would I knew you . . . a wise man!   ;D

John, I'm sorry for your illness.  I hope it passes soon.  

Mike, congratulations.  May you enjoy many such fine outings.  If you wish to share, you can always send me a private e-mail and tell me all about it if you prefer not to be subjected to the slings and slurs of those poor fellows not so fortunate as yourself . . . :-*

THuckaby2

Re:Addiction
« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2004, 05:16:19 PM »
No way, Mike - you have a thick enough skin to post them on here, as wise as Darva is with her congratulations.  I swear none of us will tell you about the similar outings we had when we were courting/engaged/newly married, and how golf became suddenly less charming after a few years of marriage.

Whoops!  Disregard that last part.

 ;)

guesst

Re:Addiction
« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2004, 05:23:08 PM »
Ah, but Tom, it's Mike's fiance we're discussing here . . .  and we already know she has an eye for naturalistic architecture and is well on the way to insisting on chopping down most of the trees.  I'm just holding out to see how she does here on GCA to give her my whole-hearted approval.  

As for you, I have heard your sad story.  It is the most tragic story I have ever heard.  You have my deepest sympathy.  ;)

THuckaby2

Re:Addiction
« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2004, 05:30:12 PM »
Darva:

You are correct in your implication that the status of golf in the progress from girlfriend to fiancee to wife to mother should not be generalized, and what has occurred with my wife is not necessarily an indication of what Mike is to expect.

However, the weight of incidental evidence would suggest that my wife is the norm, to a HUGE extent.

And it's not a sad story - far from it.  It's a story of individual assertiveness increasing, and priorities changing, for the good of love.

I doubt you find that sad.  I actually find it rather life-affirming.

And I'm guessing that deep in your heart, so do you.

TH



guesst

Re:Addiction
« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2004, 05:38:49 PM »
Actually, Tom, you're absolutely right.  I was just giving you a hard time.  I'm glad you have struck a balance that works twixt you and your love.  Would that everyone had it so good.  

As for Mike, it sounds as though they have made a good start, and, as everyone knows, "Well begun is halfway done."  As long as she sees The Game as a fun and healthy addition to their lives rather than something she must compete against, I would expect things to move in the right direction.  And you know me . . . I'm Ms. Right.  Ahhhh, but did you know my first name is ALWAYS?  :-*


Rick Shefchik

Re:Addiction
« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2004, 06:00:17 PM »
Playing golf with my wife is not a compromise -- it's a joy. If anything, she's compromising by playing with me.

I'm fully aware that some men simply don't want to play golf with women. I don't fully understand why, but it's really none of my business -- just as Augusta National's membership policy is none of my business.

What I really don't understand, however, is why those who don't care for playing with women assume that those of us who do are lying to ourselves. There are many kinds of men -- just as there are many kinds of women, including the kind who love golf and play it fast.
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Doug Siebert

Re:Addiction
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2004, 12:49:05 AM »
Gee Shivas, I guess you'll never know what you are missing out on.  When I've dated women who play golf, I've always thought that was pretty damn cool, because its something I like to do, and if she likes it too that's great.  Some of the best times I've ever had were playing some of the most architecturally dead courses you could ever imagine one summer with my girlfriend.  We'd pick a little cow pasture nine holer in some little town to visit on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon just about every week that summer and since most of them were one price for all you can golf, and it got nice and hot on those summer afternoons, we'd often walk 36 holes in 4-5 hours, passing the occasional group of men but mostly having the course to ourselves.  The best part was when you'd find one or more guys in one of those group with an attitude like yours, who apparently felt that a twosome that includes one female is going to hold up a foursome of fat guys in carts and were reluctant to let us through.

The look on their faces when this little wisp of a girl who was like 5'9" and 110 pounds would step up to the MEN'S tee and knock one 220-240 yards on a good hit was priceless!  If she didn't have such a terrible short game she could have given me a good match (did beat me once as it is)  Sometimes we'd play a nine or two as best shot, once we even played nine as worst shot, which is probably something that's more fun with a girlfriend than another guy.

And lest you think fun can only be had with a woman who can play, I've had some pretty good times with women who weren't very good.  It doesn't matter to me too much whether she can play well, so long as she isn't so totally incompetant that every shot is a 50 yard worm burner, and she has a basic knowledge of etiquette and doesn't dawdle.  That's pretty much my policy for playing with guys, too.  I'd much rather play in a foursome of novice women who are fun and move along than a foursome of some of the more personality-free PGA pros who think a threesome taking five hours is no big deal.

And guys can have female friends who golf that they aren't dating as well, I've had a few of them.  Wish I had more, but a lot of women don't want to play with a guy who asks them if they know he's a pretty good golfer, because if they aren't that good they just assume a guy wouldn't want to play with them.  I've had a few who felt that way who said later they were pleasantly surprised that I wasn't annoyed and bored by them shooting 60 to my 40 or whatever.  Sometimes I think the USGA should not concentrate so much on getting kids into the game and concentrate more on females.  There'd be a lot more female golfers if they felt comfortable on the course, but they don't want to play with guys, and don't want to be in a group of all women because of the guys behind them, etc.  Men seem to have no problem playing terrible, playing slow, being jerks, etc.  Its too bad women are so much more considerate and generally better people than men :)

While being a golfer isn't something I'd require from whatever woman I eventually marry, it would certainly be a plus.  If she's good enough and passionate enough about the game to want to go to say Scotland on a golf trip, I'd consider myself quite fortunate, and if that would make me persona non grata in some foursomes because I'd want to bring a woman along, then it'd be their loss.
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TEPaul

Re:Addiction
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2004, 01:03:03 AM »
"he'll never have the kind of wife I have, so I'm 2up before we start."

redanman:

How do you know that? Do you know anything at all about Woods's fiance or anyone he might marry?

What you should try and do more of on here is think first  about what you say before automatically putting you foot in your mouth!  
 
 

Daryl "Turboe" Boe

Re:Addiction
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2004, 02:01:32 AM »
You should've heard the reaction from my fiancee when I told her I was going to meet someone to play golf with who I had only "met" through a golf architecture website. She had fun with that one. I believe her line was something like, "Have fun on your internet golf date."

She, obviously, doesn't get it.

It isnt just women who dont get this place some times...

With all due respect to our beloved Scott Burroughs, I set him up with my regular foursome at Musgrove Mill one Saturday when he was going to be in town and unfortunately I had to be out of town.  But hey he wanted to see my club and this was when he was going to be here so I thought it would work out perfectly for him to make my abandoned spot for that weekend.

Well the following week I returned to my normal group only to get some strange looks from one of my friends who proceded to say to me...  "OK so let me get this straight...You set us up to play with some guy who you do not know, you have never met in person, and met on an Internet Chat Room?  How do you know he wasnt some kind of Axe-murderer or something?"   To which I replied "I didnt know that he wasnt an Axe-murderer, why do you think I was conveniently out of town that weekend."  

Seriously though everyone had a great time with Scott, as I would expect from this site.
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THuckaby2

Re:Addiction
« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2004, 09:22:10 AM »
Actually, Tom, you're absolutely right.  I was just giving you a hard time.  I'm glad you have struck a balance that works twixt you and your love.  Would that everyone had it so good.  

As for Mike, it sounds as though they have made a good start, and, as everyone knows, "Well begun is halfway done."  As long as she sees The Game as a fun and healthy addition to their lives rather than something she must compete against, I would expect things to move in the right direction.  And you know me . . . I'm Ms. Right.  Ahhhh, but did you know my first name is ALWAYS?  :-*



Darva - understdood, all of it - especially the part about your name!

 ;D

Scott_Burroughs

Re:Addiction
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2004, 09:34:35 AM »
With all due respect to our beloved Scott Burroughs, I set him up with my regular foursome at Musgrove Mill one Saturday when he was going to be in town and unfortunately I had to be out of town.  But hey he wanted to see my club and this was when he was going to be here so I thought it would work out perfectly for him to make my abandoned spot for that weekend.

Well the following week I returned to my normal group only to get some strange looks from one of my friends who proceded to say to me...  "OK so let me get this straight...You set us up to play with some guy who you do not know, you have never met in person, and met on an Internet Chat Room?  How do you know he wasnt some kind of Axe-murderer or something?"   To which I replied "I didnt know that he wasnt an Axe-murderer, why do you think I was conveniently out of town that weekend."  

Seriously though everyone had a great time with Scott, as I would expect from this site.

Daryl,

I asked you to please keep my Lizzie Borden tendencies a secret.  I want to stay out of jail.

You must be embellishing about what they thought of me.  I made a fool of myself.  I was playing the tips on your tough course, and I hit so many bad tee shots there, it was pathetic.  I certainly didn't deserve to be there that day.  As for your friends, one's a Hokie, so we had the ass-kickin' chicken headcovers in common.

Mike_Cirba

Re:Addiction
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2004, 10:51:22 AM »
John Kavanaugh;

Funny stuff, man.

Seriously, do you really think it's so preposterous that she enjoyed playing golf, especially since she consistently got the ball airborne and generally avoided the frustration of Shivas's "wormburning" stereotype?  I mean, what are we doing playing golf if it's not fun??

Shivas;

"Nail her afterwards"?  

Who says romance is dead?  ;D




corey miller

Re:Addiction
« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2004, 11:29:50 AM »


I have to play with a women from time to time SHE is the member at one of my favorite places to play. :)

It is really more important where and who taught the woman to play.

A 20 hdcp women is a much faster player than a 20 hdcp man.

All just my observations.

Many years ago at Kiawah Island me and my partner were about to tee off when a husband and wife showed up on the first tee.  Stan apologetically stated that Barb would not "hold us up".  Stan shot a 115 searching for balls all over the place, Barb shot a 78, played fast and was a delight.  All I could think was that the average male golfer this couple encountered must be a jerk. ;)

A_Clay_Man

Re:Addiction
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2004, 12:26:06 PM »
Ok shiv, I got ya.

The women that do suck, and are out there must have a special quality. Maybe their vanity is in check or they just don't care how they're percieved. Maybe they had an off day or they just love to be out in nature.

Do you wanna deny them that, because they shoot 300? I don't.

Sure, it can be damn rude to be out on a golf course, either gender, with those who cannot play the game and have made no attempt to practice. But that duration is short cause you can excuse yourself whe you've had enough. Unless you're caddying than your working and you have to stay. Believe me brother, I have seen it all, along these lines. Both the good and the bad.

If anything, it tests you as person, as a golfer to adapt to circumstance, no mater how unpreferable, it is.

JohnV

Re:Addiction
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2004, 02:07:10 PM »
Just saw this in Golf World.  There is a new match making service for golfers.  Check out http://www.golfmates.com.  Only about 86 women registered so far, but who knows, maybe the right one is there for you.

My ex-wife had no interest in golf for the first 4 years of our marriage.  Then she decided to give it a go so we'd have something to do.  She got hooked and for a few years played over 180 round a year.  Got down to about a 15 at her best and had two aces.  But, when we got divorced, she quit the game cold turkey.  Money and time are the reasons.

Bill Gayne

Re:Addiction
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2004, 02:31:41 PM »
Shivas, when I see two women coming at me on the first tee I run to the bathroom.

Let's be honest the real problem with playing with a women besides your wife is that the older you get the more frequently you need to urinate. You just can't jump behind the tree and find relief with any woman except maybe your wife. Even at that there's a few wives out there that don't appreciate the rightful purpose of a tree on a golf course. :)

Rick Shefchik

Re:Addiction
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2004, 03:52:14 PM »
Bill -- I'd rather cut a whiz in front of two total female strangers than in front of my wife (on the golf course, that is -- at home, it would be the reverse, of course.) My wife has never accepted the boorish practice of using the bushes for a toilet, and frankly, neither have I.

Shivas, I'll give you this -- in my experience, the average woman player is slower (usually because of the extra shots taken) than the average man. The old cannard is that a lousy player can play just as fast as a good player, but in practice that isn't usually so.

But since I hate to generalize, I try to judge each player I meet or observe on a case-by-case basis. I've learned not to pre-judge women from my wife, who is the fastest player I know, and not in a "I'm trying to prove something so I run around the course like my hair is on fire" way. She just doesn't waste time, and she walks fast, and she really, really hates it when we get behind a group of guys (usually) who saunter around between shots as though they're the only players on the course.

Yes, we have sex. I don't know how to remove that from the discussion, and I highly doubt that she'd be my most frequent golf partner if we didn't have sex. But facts are facts -- she can easily get around 18 holes in 3 hours, and does so every Tuesday morning when she's paired with other women in her league with the same mindset --- and yes, there are others.

 
"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

A_Clay_Man

Re:Addiction
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2004, 05:08:39 PM »
Schmidty- I must protest. You are making an argument that even if you were to win you come-off losing. If you get my drift.

I will tell you what I have observed as the NORM:

Women golfers, golf faster than men who think they are golfers. FACT. Not really proveable within your own group, but put them out in front of you with three typical call sheet males of 15-18+ handicap and I will bet you never see the women, and as long as they aren't held-up, they won't hold you up.

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