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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Playing from the Tips
« Reply #50 on: January 08, 2004, 03:24:35 PM »
This is close to what Tom is running with. When I rate a course, I try to play from the tee on a particular holes that allows my game to play it as if it were the tips for a stronger player. Sometimes it is the tips and sometimes not. I am only 250 to 280 off the tee and that is getting shorter by the day for a lot of strong players. I also try to look at the hole from all tees and from the fairway and then the green back to the tees. I love playing course where the pro or super mix up the tees to give one the best the course has to offer.

Doug Siebert

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Re:Playing from the Tips
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2004, 03:53:41 PM »
Sounds like I would have plenty of long but not-so-straight company from the back tees with GCA folks, we could tag team the dogs in backyards to get back our Titleists! ;D


Michael W,

Your question about what the different sets of tees are for gets to the heart of it, and I think the answer must be different for different architects.  Tom Doak has the right attitude, and if I can have an enjoyable and challenging round playing his courses a set or two up, then its truly an admirable job!  That has to come from great green complexes (second shot courses) rather than the "get over this corner/bunker/uneven ground and you win an easy approach" attitude that is unfortunately all too common.

I really liked your comment about trying to not let score control whether you have a good time or not.  I know I am guilty of that too often, and it'd make a good belated New Year's resolution.

Its funny, because I actually got out on Jan 2nd -- not too common here in Iowa, but it was nearly 60 degrees.  My dad and I played a little cow pasture nine holer in town, and I had that attitude without really thinking about it.  I was just happy to be able to play in a time of year when I normally wouldn't (and won't, now there is 6" of snow outside) and knew the course was sort of mucky, lumpy due to freeze/thaw cycles and the greens which are shaggy during the best of times were especially shaggy.  Even though I was entitled to winter rules, it being winter and all, I figured it'd be more fun to play it as it lies, even extending to playing my ball with the gigantic globs of mud it was acquiring.  I did clean it on the greens, not that it helped on those greens.  I knew any putt longer than 3' would be just luck if it went in, so I wasn't worried about it.  Despite all the obstacles I shot 37, which is probably better than I would have done if I went out with my goal to shoot a low score and took every advantage I had at my disposal to make that happen.
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Dan Grossman

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Re:Playing from the Tips
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2004, 04:17:09 PM »
Jamie - I'm surprised that they were that stuffy at Dornoch about playing the back tees.  We asked in the pro shop if we could play the backs and the pro wrote a note to the starter on the back of a business card.  Once we showed it to the starter, it was no problem and back we went!  We played 36 holes from back there and it was quite a test of golf.

As far as PBGL is concerned, my friend and I just started teeing it up from the blue plates once we got to #2.  We kept an eye out for the ranger, but no one said anything to us.  The only hole we didn't play the plate was #17 because they had the grandstand set up for the AT&T and we would have had to hit through it.   ;D  I didn't realize that they only played that hole at 170 for the pro-am.

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