Nae wind nae golf.

[mike_malone]

The architecture is changed randomly by the wind or can you design for it ?

[Matt Schoolfield]

The architecture is changed randomly by the wind or can you design for it ?

Luck and skill are two vectors of design, and not opposites of each other. Increasing the wind simply increase the impact of luck in the design. Here's the old thread I made about it. You can absolutely account for it in design by adding and removing penal elements. I'm not sure if you can design a course that is anti-penal in wind (where the course becomes easier when the winds are up), but perhaps a course can be designed with tee and pin positions that deliberately take many of the more penal elements out of play in cases of high winds.

[mike_malone]

The architecture is changed randomly by the wind or can you design for it ?

Luck and skill are two vectors of design, and not opposites of each other. Increasing the wind simply increase the impact of luck in the design. Here's the old thread I made about it. You can absolutely account for it in design by adding and removing penal elements. I'm not sure if you can design a course that is anti-penal in wind (where the course becomes easier when the winds are up), but perhaps a course can be designed with tee and pin positions that deliberately take many of the more penal elements out of play in cases of high winds.

I like this

[Jeff Schley]

I'd say width off the tee and add at least half the green open for the ground game.  Changing where the tee boxes are to account for into/downwind can be manipulated to an extent, but I think width is more a factor for amateurs.

[Tom_Doak]

I'd say width off the tee and add at least half the green open for the ground game.  Changing where the tee boxes are to account for into/downwind can be manipulated to an extent, but I think width is more a factor for amateurs.

100%

[Sven Nilsen]

I'm not sure if you can design a course that is anti-penal in wind (where the course becomes easier when the winds are up), but perhaps a course can be designed with tee and pin positions that deliberately take many of the more penal elements out of play in cases of high winds.

Think about a wide but not very deep green with trouble long.  When there is no wind or downwind, an approach shot needs to be stopped rather quickly.  It becomes a much easier shot when the wind is up and into you.


The 8th at Pac Dunes (to a left or middle pin) is a good example of this.


Sven

[Matt Schoolfield]

Think about a wide but not very deep green with trouble long.  When there is no wind or downwind, an approach shot needs to be stopped rather quickly.  It becomes a much easier shot when the wind is up and into you.

The 8th at Pac Dunes (to a left or middle pin) is a good example of this.

Wow, this is really clever and I wouldn't have thought of it. Still a tough shot given the adjustment, but a well struck shot into a consistent headwind should have a narrower dispersion pattern, even if it likely ends up be wider due to exaggerated hooks/slices. Really interesting design idea, kudos.

[Wayne_Kozun]

Does course setup play a part?  Design for the regular wind, but if the wind blows from the opposite direction then move tees forward on holes into the wind and move them back on holes where the wind is helping.

[Joe Hancock]

Does course setup play a part?  Design for the regular wind, but if the wind blows from the opposite direction then move tees forward on holes into the wind and move them back on holes where the wind is helping.

Or, sometimes do the opposite of this.

[Tom_Doak]

Think about a wide but not very deep green with trouble long.  When there is no wind or downwind, an approach shot needs to be stopped rather quickly.  It becomes a much easier shot when the wind is up and into you.

The 8th at Pac Dunes (to a left or middle pin) is a good example of this.

Wow, this is really clever and I wouldn't have thought of it. Still a tough shot given the adjustment, but a well struck shot into a consistent headwind should have a narrower dispersion pattern, even if it likely ends up be wider due to exaggerated hooks/slices. Really interesting design idea, kudos.

Thank you. 

[Tom_Doak]

Does course setup play a part?  Design for the regular wind, but if the wind blows from the opposite direction then move tees forward on holes into the wind and move them back on holes where the wind is helping.

In general, I don't like when course management is expected to move tees around in order to neutralize the effects of the wind.  A good course will work in all wind conditions.  Some holes may be much harder, some may play much shorter [but not necessarily easier].


The maintenance staff should concentrate more on choosing hole locations that work in the expected wind.

[Jim_Coleman]

    Wasn’t the Ocean Course designed so the tees would be adjusted depending on wind direction?

[Kalen Braley]

This thread made me think of the very windy conditions at TPC Sawgrass, at least on Saturday.

Seems like there is very little elasticity to accommodate those conditions and some massive individual hole scores were put up.  Was this on purpose and was Pete secretly hoping it would be windy when the pros were in town to make the slaughter that much worse?

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