Donald Ross

[Mark Pritchett]

Brett,
Your points are well taken but the Ross Society are or at least should be considered the experts on Ross. So when they have something on their site that states what it does it’s hard to disagree with that. If I came on here and said I know more about Ross than the Ross Society and I’d get skewered for it.  You guys should take up your points with them.  The myth is loud and clear on their site!!

I always thought of these architect societies as more of “fan clubs” than “experts”. 

[Jeff_Brauer]

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[Sven Nilsen]

Acacia CC (Lyndhurst, OH)


April 6, 1921 Cleveland Plain Dealer -

[Sven Nilsen]

Westbrook CC (Mansfield, OH)


Sept. 13, 1917 News Journal -

[Ben Hollerbach]

While we are at it….. Does any one have the quote about Ross’s opener being a “gentle” handshake? 


I feel like I once read “gentleman’s” handshake, although I could have just imagined that.  Gentle handshake always sounded funny to me?

wasn't the line "Firm Handshake"?

[Sven Nilsen]

Elks CC (Worthington, OH)


May 2, 1922 Chillicothe Gazette -

[Sven Nilsen]

Merrimack Valley GC (Methuen)


Jan. 1912 American Golfer -

[Dan Boerger]

Ben - I, too, recall the "firm handshake" line - which certainly applies to #1 at Aronimink. (At least for us mortal drivers of the golf ball.)

[MCirba]

What a terrific insight on Ross's design approach in the Elks article!


Thanks for sharing, Sven.

[Simon Barrington]

Sven - Keep going, this is mighty impressive and diligent research.

I suspect by the time you are done you will have a list including many more visits that previously expected, possibly including multiple return visits too.

This is what George Payne found when researching Ross's fellow Scottish contemporary (albeit separated by an ocean) James Braid.
I have managed to augment that in several instances, myths need busting sometimes, but it is only by increased access to disparate (digital) resources this is now possible.

Braid has over 530 direct design citations (so far) and they were most probably the two busiest architects ever, so to research the entirety is a life's work (if possible at all), so crowd-researching may be the only way to complete the task.

The rephrasing of history and debunking of myths is only possible with factual research, you are certainly doing Ross's deserved reputation a great service.

I am sure the DRS will update their view, as will Brad & others, with the new finds you are sharing so generously.

Cheers

[Sven Nilsen]

Simon:


Thank you for kind words.


Under Vaughn's stewardship, I am sure the Donald Ross Society will endeavor to set the record as clearly as possible.


Sven

[Sven Nilsen]

Probably a good time to note several courses in the DDR listing that have since been attributed to other architects:


CC of Orlando - Bendelow
Palatka - Clark
Panama - Alison
Tupper Lake - Wilkinson
Columbus - The 1914 dates given for Ross relates to work done by Bendelow
Pocono Manor - Barker and later Flynn


If anyone has any updates or corrections to this list, I'd love to hear them.

[Kyle Harris]

Probably a good time to note several courses in the DDR listing that have since been attributed to other architects:


CC of Orlando - Bendelow
Palatka - Clark
Panama - Alison
Tupper Lake - Wilkinson
Columbus - The 1914 dates given for Ross relates to work done by Bendelow
Pocono Manor - Barker and later Flynn


If anyone has any updates or corrections to this list, I'd love to hear them.

Bartow is Clark as well.
Pine Crest is Bert Way

[Sven Nilsen]

Probably a good time to note several courses in the DDR listing that have since been attributed to other architects:


CC of Orlando - Bendelow
Palatka - Clark
Panama - Alison
Tupper Lake - Wilkinson
Columbus - The 1914 dates given for Ross relates to work done by Bendelow
Pocono Manor - Barker and later Flynn


If anyone has any updates or corrections to this list, I'd love to hear them.

Bartow is Clark as well.
Pine Crest is Bert Way

Kyle:


Bartow wasn't on the DDR list.  Somehow DDR has Ross confirmed on site for Pinecrest.


Sven

[Kyle Harris]

Probably a good time to note several courses in the DDR listing that have since been attributed to other architects:


CC of Orlando - Bendelow
Palatka - Clark
Panama - Alison
Tupper Lake - Wilkinson
Columbus - The 1914 dates given for Ross relates to work done by Bendelow
Pocono Manor - Barker and later Flynn


If anyone has any updates or corrections to this list, I'd love to hear them.

Bartow is Clark as well.
Pine Crest is Bert Way

Kyle:


Bartow wasn't on the DDR list.  Somehow DDR has Ross confirmed on site for Pinecrest.


Sven

I would love to see what they have for that. And if so what, exactly, Ross did.


Numerous accounts credit Bert Way. Never a mention of Ross anywhere.


Pinecrest says Ross was on site but have nothing to prove that.

[Sven Nilsen]

The DDR and DRS lists both note the Mark Bostick GC at the University of Florida as a 1921 Remodel (and is not confirmed on site course in the DDR list).  This course started its existence as Gainesville CC.


I can find no information linking Ross to Gainesville CC.  What I have found suggests the course was new in 1921, and was built by other parties.


July 28, 1921 Miami Herald -





Dec. 23, 1921 Miami News -

[zachary_car]

Sven,


Do you have anything in your archives regarding these 4 Ross Firm designs in eastern Canada: Brightwood, White Point Beach, Riverside, and Westfield? As far as I know, and as far as the club believes, he never visited Brightwood (Hatch handled the commission.) As for the other three, I believe that he was on site, at least at some point.

[Mark Mammel]

Re Sven's list of courses on the DRS website no longer attributed to Ross add White Bear Yacht Club, a William Watson design.

[Sven Nilsen]

Re Sven's list of courses on the DRS website no longer attributed to Ross add White Bear Yacht Club, a William Watson design.

It should be noted the DRS has this right for the remodel done by Ross, they just have the date wrong for when he was there.

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