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Sam Morrow

Re: TPC Sawgrass - The Tree on the 6th returns...
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2025, 09:15:50 PM »
Why do people hate this so much yet Prairie Dunes gets a pass?

Wayne_Kozun

Re: TPC Sawgrass - The Tree on the 6th returns...
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2025, 12:06:53 AM »
At 7,352 yards, TPC Sawgrass is now more than 500 yards longer than it was when it opened (6,851).
500 yards over the 14 holes that are par 4s or par 5s is an average of 35.7 yards per hole.  In 1980 the average driving distance on tour was 256.9 yard.  In 2023 that was up to 297.2 yards, an increase of 40.3 yards.  So despite the added length the course will play shorter than it did in 1980, and that is even ignoring par 3s and second/third shots on par 4s and 5s.
Driving distance source: https://www.pga.com/story/how-driving-distance-has-changed-over-the-past-40-years-on-the-pga-tour

Simon Barrington

Re: TPC Sawgrass - The Tree on the 6th returns...
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2025, 05:15:14 AM »
The tree does seem to be having a significant effect, just as Dye wished to test the very best and make them uncomfortable/thoughtful...

Jamie Kennedy (@jamierkennedy on X) has done good analysis of the scoring on Day 1 (edited to keep order of things consistent):

"Players this year drove 18 yards further off the tee (273 yards vs 255 yards). Was that the influence of tree, choosing a longer club to decrease the height? Or was it just due to the extra length?

This year, players hit the fairway just 56.8%, making it the 7th hardest fairway to hit.
Players last year hit the fairway 74.8% of the time. The 6th easiest fairway to hit.
Was that the tree creating doubt and impacting accuracy?


2025, players found the green less than 42% of the time.
In 2024, players hit the green over 70% of the time on the 6th hole, making it the 7th easiest green to hit.
2025 Day 1 - it was the second HARDEST green to hit at TPC Sawgrass (behind only the 18th).

As for scoring...
This year, the field was 23 over par, a 4.23 average (the 3rd hardest hole).
Last year, the field played the hole in 12 under par, averaging 3.92 (5th easiest hole).

Note: The highest average ever on the 6th hole at the Players was 4.20 (1985)."
« Last Edit: March 14, 2025, 05:17:37 AM by Simon Barrington »

mike_beene

Re: TPC Sawgrass - The Tree on the 6th returns...
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2025, 10:07:11 PM »
Regarding the dreams—no room to swing or no shot—an old thread exists with an amazing number of us having similar dream. Mine is the tee at the 16th hole of some big tournament, but my ceiling is too low and furniture is in the way. Usually a par 3. Never have finished the hole.

mike_malone

Re: TPC Sawgrass - The Tree on the 6th returns...
« Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 02:34:34 PM »
Today the hole plays 410 yards so hitting less than driver is no big deal. In fact players can aim at different branches making the tee shot easier. 
AKA Mayday

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