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Tony Ristola

King for a Day
« on: March 09, 2025, 06:36:57 PM »
What I would do if I were the King of Golf for a day? (Posted in no particular order)

1. Reduce the set of clubs to 9, perhaps 10.

At the elite level, this would help return the art of shot making. The Corey Pavin, Lee Trevino and Brian Harman types would benefit from such a change.

Golf has become a highly militaristic sport with yardage guides, distance, launch angle and spin knowledge.

With 14-clubs, the game has become robotic, and has allowed experts to put up to four wedges in the bag. Golf at this level has lost its shot makers... unless the wind comes up and the course is hard and fast.

With 9 clubs, there would be larger gaps between them, demanding players vary the speed with which they hit the ball, either by altering their swing speed, or by shortening the length they hold the club. They would also have to plan from the tee more. Especially considering point 6 below.

This would return the artistic element to the game by demanding creative shot making. It would help identify the talented golfers and those who can plan their way around the golf course.

The average golfer would get along just fine with 9-clubs, as most cannot hit long irons. The makeup of sets is endless, but a standard set could be Driver, 2 fairway woods or fairway wood and hybrid combination, 5, 7, 9, PW, Sand Iron, and putter.

Instead of selling fewer clubs, manufacturers would sell more clubs as golfers would want to have a variety to choose from depending on the course and conditions they’re playing in. 

2. Balls stop from light rough due to the grooves on the club. It wasn't always so, or at least so predictable until the USGA created rules allowing “square grooves”.

In this King’s world, irons would have no grooves, and the roughness of the club’s face would be restricted.

The 1958 edition of the book In Search of the Perfect Golf Swing studied how shots with and without grooves behaved. What they discovered is the ball spun just as much with grooves from the fairway as without grooves. Of course, the grooves then were not optimized as they are today. When the ball was in light rough, it spun less, making it more challenging to control. Nobody was expecting a ball to stop on the green from the rough. Shouldn’t the ball be more difficult to control, more, or highly unpredictable when hit into the rough? Of course.

By removing grooves, an advantage is gained by the golfer who keeps his ball in play. So, the ball striker, short or long, who is more in control of the ball is rewarded for their sure play. Fairways could be widened to account for this challenge, and a return of angles... strategy too. The era of bomb and gouge would end immediately.

One thing is for certain, expert golfers wouldn't be changing wedges every few weeks for fresh grooves.

3. Driver head size. Drivers used to be the most difficult club to hit. Today they're the easiest. If all the above and below were implemented, I would leave driver head size at the current maximum.

4. This item has been talked about for too long. Meaningful changes to the ball specifications is the first step towards restoring integrity to the game. Back to the early 1980's we would go. The benefit would be a return to sanity so formerly world-class golf courses would become so once again...  over night.

Even a decently designed 6,300-yard course would provide interesting golf for the better players. If difficulty is a problem for the masses, move up a tee, and if there aren't any of sufficient length, additional forward tees could be constructed.

This is certainly the most cost-effective answer and wouldn’t be setting a precedent as The Royal and Ancient Golf Club terminated the small 1.62 inch ball in the 1970s. That initiative was for the betterment of the game, and is the precise effect rolling back the ball fifteen to seventeen per cent would have for golf today.

5. It is not enough to reduce the distance the ball flies, but also put limits on the amount of spin it can achieve. Grooveless clubs will certainly help return strategy to the game, but get NASA engineers on the problem, and they will find a way for a club made from mud to spin a rock. Better to set limits now than later, as we have learned diligent scientists are capable of achieving the most amazing things.

These changes would return golf to a game of skill, just as the USGA claimed it should be not too many decades ago. It would also restore thousands of golf courses to providing interest for elite golfers without clubs having to spend a penny.

But what about the masses?

Well, their distance losses would not be so great, and it is my belief that few would notice (especially if they weren't told) as they rarely hit the ball solidly enough, consistently enough. For them, the manufacturers could develop balls that suit their games. A ball the professionals would likely never use.

So, what is required to accomplish this and defend the essence of the game? It’s simple, as the problems have been brutally obvious for decades. It demands will, resolve, and backbone from the governing bodies to address these issues. Nothing more, nothing less.

One can always dream...

« Last Edit: March 09, 2025, 06:57:25 PM by Tony Ristola »

Chris Hughes

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2025, 08:06:18 PM »
9 is plenty...


Love it!  8)
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Craig Sweet

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2025, 09:03:26 PM »
Tony, wouldn't it be easier to just ban "elite" players from golf courses?  I mean if you're King you simply make an executive order.

MKrohn

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2025, 11:22:52 PM »
Brian Harman isn't really the player who springs to mind when discussing shot making, under my regime, after his 6th waggle, he would be escorted off premises

Mark Pearce

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2025, 04:09:00 AM »
No grooves and a limit to the roughness of club faces would make the game unplayable for a significant number of recreational golfers, wouldn't it?
In July I will be riding two stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity, including Mont Ventoux for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Matt Schoolfield

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2025, 06:22:58 AM »
No grooves and a limit to the roughness of club faces would make the game unplayable for a significant number of recreational golfers, wouldn't it?
What? Why?

Tony Ristola

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2025, 09:17:10 AM »
Tony, wouldn't it be easier to just ban "elite" players from golf courses?  I mean if you're King you simply make an executive order.
 
;D ;D ;D
I'd like them to play a version of the game that has guys having to hit fairway woods or long irons into longer par-4 holes of around 450-yards+... and having only the odd par-5 be reachable in 2-shots.  It wasn't too long ago that this was common.
 
No grooves and a limit to the roughness of club faces would make the game unplayable for a significant number of recreational golfers, wouldn't it?
 
Not at all. As In Search of the Perfect Golf Swing illustrated, golfers would still spin it from the fairway.
 
Anyone who plays hickory golf faces this challenge. My matched set of 1928 Spalding irons or cobbled together set of Tom Stewarts are basically groove free, and my R-90 styled SW has no grooves, just a few punch marks in the face. All clubs are vintage, not remakes.

With modern heads & shafts, the game would be more interesting and for lack of another word... fair. Hit it in the crap all day, and you better miss it to the correct side of the fairway (if there is one) to have a chance at the green.  Long wild drivers would be at a disadvantage to those who not only find the fairway, but find the optimal line of attack. Accuracy and strategic planning would be important again.
 
« Last Edit: March 10, 2025, 09:18:41 AM by Tony Ristola »

Mark Pearce

Re: King for a Day '
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2025, 09:39:05 AM »
No grooves and a limit to the roughness of club faces would make the game unplayable for a significant number of recreational golfers, wouldn't it?
What? Why?
.Because backspin keeps the ball in the air.  Without grooves, low swing speed golfers won’t get the ball airborne. -
In July I will be riding two stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity, including Mont Ventoux for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Jeff Schley

Re: King for a Day '
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2025, 09:50:53 AM »
No grooves and a limit to the roughness of club faces would make the game unplayable for a significant number of recreational golfers, wouldn't it?
What? Why?
.Because backspin keeps the ball in the air.  Without grooves, low swing speed golfers won’t get the ball airborne. -
Yes spin is one of those numbers people try and improve on launch monitors.  Mark I think the low swing speed golfers now have hybrids instead of those long irons, which has been a saving grace to the average and aging golfer.
"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
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Niall C

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2025, 09:51:06 AM »
I tend to think Tony is intent on being King of the PGA Tour rather than the wider game of golf because I can't see much in there that would be of great benefit to the hoi polloi. In particular resetting club design back to golf's middle ages doesn't seem all that helpful for your average hack.


Niall

Jim_Coleman

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2025, 09:52:56 AM »
   If that’s the way you would enjoy golf, nothing is stopping you, at least for most of it.
« Last Edit: March 10, 2025, 09:54:29 AM by Jim_Coleman »

Ben Hollerbach

Re: King for a Day '
« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2025, 09:57:03 AM »
No grooves and a limit to the roughness of club faces would make the game unplayable for a significant number of recreational golfers, wouldn't it?
What? Why?
.Because backspin keeps the ball in the air.  Without grooves, low swing speed golfers won’t get the ball airborne. -
The majority of spin is generated by the face itself, not the grooves.

Charlie Goerges

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2025, 12:12:28 PM »
I like the number of clubs change, leaving the driver the same, and changing the ball. The other equipment-based rules (no grooves etc.) don't really work for me, because they'd require purchasing all new equipment.


I think the ball alone gets you 80% of the way to your goals with the last 20% covered by the reduction in number of clubs. Certainly no grooves would have some follow-on effects, but I'm not certain it works the way you're describing. If most of the spin is from compressing the ball and friction on the face, it would only really hurt players who don't compress the ball much. So I would leave that one aside.


But it's a good list.
Severally on the occasion of everything that thou doest, pause and ask thyself, if death is a dreadful thing because it deprives thee of this. - Marcus Aurelius

Kalen Braley

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2025, 01:00:44 PM »
Really could of said all that with just one word.

Bifurcation...its long overdue

Thomas Dai

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2025, 01:06:27 PM »
Two fundamental changes would suffice:


1) Roll the ball back (a lot)
2) Maximum number of clubs to be 8


atb




Mike Nuzzo

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2025, 01:53:36 PM »
Two fundamental changes would suffice:


1) Roll the ball back (a lot)
2) Maximum number of clubs to be 8


atb


I'm in your camp Thomas
I'd also promote that golf does not need to be played by the rules!!
And if I were King, I'd decree that the USGA promotes golf as a game that can be played without rules or a GHIN!!


cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Mark Pearce

Re: King for a Day '
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2025, 01:56:02 PM »
No grooves and a limit to the roughness of club faces would make the game unplayable for a significant number of recreational golfers, wouldn't it?
What? Why?
.Because backspin keeps the ball in the air.  Without grooves, low swing speed golfers won’t get the ball airborne. -
The majority of spin is generated by the face itself, not the grooves.
When a clean, dry club face meets a clean, dry ball, yes.
In July I will be riding two stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity, including Mont Ventoux for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Lou_Duran

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2025, 02:22:36 PM »
For tournaments, caddies limited to carrying and cleaning clubs, tending the flagstick, helping to maintain the course, keep play moving.  Same limitations on Advice as an opponent or competitor.


Players would be allowed to use a range finder.


Pace of play determined by a set maximum allowable time and the group being within eye-sight of the group in front on the same hole (with some catch-up flexibility for lost balls and rulings).  Some type of shot clock to manage PoP during tournaments.


Just play fast, take care of the course, and be respectful of other players.

Tony Ristola

Re: King for a Day
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2025, 06:13:33 PM »
I tend to think Tony is intent on being King of the PGA Tour rather than the wider game of golf because I can't see much in there that would be of great benefit to the hoi polloi. In particular resetting club design back to golf's middle ages doesn't seem all that helpful for your average hack.


Niall
;D ;D ;D
No, but the list does aim at returning sanity to golf at the elite level. These golfers have benefited the most from technology improvements.


Despite all the great leaps in technology, the average golfer hasn't improved. It's why I left driver size as is... the once most difficult club to hit has become much easier for the masses.


Most golfers don't need more than 9 clubs, because they don't use more than 9 clubs.


Rolling the ball back won't affect those who hit it average distances... and most don't hit it solid consistently. I seriously doubt most would notice if you didn't tell them.


The game was healthy 45-years ago, and back then PING irons were a novelty, and the Wilson Whale was a big driver head. Today it looks laughably small.


I say keep all the club technology, except grooves. Or, allow only one or two grooves of modern dimensions but with sufficient spacing.


No grooves and a limit to the roughness of club faces would make the game unplayable for a significant number of recreational golfers, wouldn't it?
What? Why?
.Because backspin keeps the ball in the air.  Without grooves, low swing speed golfers won’t get the ball airborne. -


I've hit grooveless hickory irons. The ball flies.


If the golfer has a lower swing speed has many tools to get the ball in the air. Low compression balls, hybrids, highly lofted fairway woods.


Grooves certainly add backspin, but grooveless clubs do too. Look at a putt. That's as slow a contact as you'll find between clubhead and ball in golf, and with a mere 3 degrees loft, the ball starts immediately with backspin, skids and then rolls.







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